"Previously Recorded" review The Order 1886
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"Comprehensively dismissed"
LOL, no they haven't. How about watch the video instead of playing your own weird game of telephone pretending you know which are the exact criticism they make.
They pick apart characters, story points and the ending beyond just disliking it because it's a specific stylistic choice. You'd knew that if you watched the video because they explain very clearly why that type of ending doesn't work here.
LOL, no they haven't. How about watch the video instead of playing your own weird game of telephone pretending you know which are the exact criticism they make.
They pick apart characters, story points and the ending beyond just disliking it because it's a specific stylistic choice. You'd knew that if you watched the video because they explain very clearly why that type of ending doesn't work here.
Lots of posters in the OT don't like it. The majority of the reviews say it's crappy. Only on neogaf is where people are so defensive and so emotionally attached to their $60 purchase. Thus, it is this snake oil that people try to justify and convince others to buy.
The review essentially states in the end that The Order 1886 has no replay value, so go ahead and burn it and forget it.
The review essentially states in the end that The Order 1886 has no replay value, so go ahead and burn it and forget it.
I do not remember making an unsubstantiated comment relating to the video, would you care to point out where?
Maybe they didn't care how pretty the game looked?
Coffee Dog
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No, that's not just what I meant. I meant a whole lot more than just that. Please watch the video.
It makes discussing the video and it's criticisms a lot easier, really.
You refuse or lack the ability to watch the video that you're responding to. In a thread about the video.
I'm not sure how anything is on me while you weakly throw darts blindfolded.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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The same could sort of be said about the Sonic video in a way, but they tip very hard into actually pushing that as their personal legitimate view of the game. I've played Sonic; I haven't played The Order. But I've seen playthroughs on Order and (based both on the videos and past experience with other cinematic AAA 3rd-person shooters like RE4, 5, AA, etc) I can gauge well enough how mediocre the game is.
It just doesn't look that interesting from a play experience POV; the campaign scenarios seem pedestrian, the dialog kind of sucks, the story is full of cliches and tropes taken too seriously, and that ending....that ending is the epitome of all that's wrong with the game. Gun physics may feel great (that's probably what people mean when they say the gunplay is good) but what worth is that when the actual challenges and variety of enemies and tactics in those fights are so pitiful?
I'll put it this way; I can watch a video of a Gears campaign segment and see the energy right there. Of all the Order footage I've seen, there's no energy to player proceedings; everything just seems pedestrian and by-the-numbers. Nothing pops out that makes you say "that looks cool as hell!", nothing pops out to make you want to play the game. Visuals aren't enough, the setting isn't enough.
Compare that to the UC4 PSX demo; that blew me away. That looked fun to play, and looked like the game mechanics offered tons of variety and interaction, as well as being skill-dependent. It literally sold me on the game. To a different degree, I can say the same thing about Quantum Break; the demo for it looked fun to play and you see the game mechanics providing interesting scenarios. The Order is unable to provide a mere video of one of its play encounters to give me the same taste or urge of buying into itbeing a fun (or innovative) game to play.
I don't think it's fair to compare the Sonic video to the Order one because it's possible to be completely off-base on one (Sonic) and on-point with another (Order). I'm only just finding out that these guys are film reviewers too right? So a game like The Order is a better fit for what they understand, which is less about game design possibly and more about storytelling, as the vid seems to criticize the game on its storytelling shortcomings.
Something you can see clear as day watching any video playthrough.
Ah alright, my mistake x3. We'll just have to disagree on Sonic seems like. Personally I think the game's misunderstood these days.
never played the game but watched the review because I love reviews that go into details on critiques like the red letter media stuff with star wars/star trek that I never watched, but I really don't know why this game is getting all the attentions, from the review it just doesn't look like the sort of game that really deserve a half an hour review, not to mention I don't think the video is that good, it's too heavily focused on the story which I understand because they said the game is story driven, but I didn't find their gameplay critique that great.
It wasn't funny either, other than the recycling of the boss fights part.
Put me in the boat with the people that don't understand why this is a target, I don't have a problem with it, but just thought there are a lot of shitty "AAA" games out there.
It wasn't funny either, other than the recycling of the boss fights part.
Put me in the boat with the people that don't understand why this is a target, I don't have a problem with it, but just thought there are a lot of shitty "AAA" games out there.
MurkyZebra2417
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It is not a whine response, you said I was lying about the game(snake oil salesman lie about their product), which is pretty sad in itself. Why would I lie, I enjoyed it, which seems to be unacceptable here. And the other guy who actually compared the broken (starting with controls) Superman 64 to The Order 1886, which is one of the most polished games of recent times, is utterly ridiculous and shows he probably never touched either game himself.
I don't need to watch a video where two people act like idiots, bash the game 30 minutes and then burn it with "fuck you" written, wow so badass! It is not funny or informative. I mainly responded to people who say this game is shit without ever playing it just because of reviews. Good games got bad reviews, like I mentioned earlier: Nier, Killer is Dead, God Hand, etc..
And yes, there are people who agree with you in the OT and I even know some personally. But there are also people who agree with me.
Please provide the proof that these criticisms can be dismissed beyond your own words of 'I said so'
LookAtMeGo
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Thats true but if the game has at least one nice thing to say about it, its the graphics. Couldn't hurt to at least point it out.
They can point out everywhere it fails but nowhere it succeeds. The visual department is somewhere it succeeds and deserves a mention. Just a bit suspect is all.
They had one nice thing to say about it. One of them really liked the dick punches.
LookAtMeGo
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Ah yes the dick punch LOL. I never even saw the dick punch on my playthrough.
Fixed2BeBroken
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How are they acting like idiots? And how is it not informative? In fact, how would you KNOW it is not informative if you didn't watch it? Would it be the same way some people know the Order is bad without playing it?
We are responding to you who say the video is shit without even watching it because of forum posts.
MurkyZebra2417
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I said three times already that I watched bits of it, just not the whole 30 minutes....
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
All that needs to be said at this point in the conversation.
call_kotaku
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And you seem extremely proud of it
In the time you've spent moaning and groaning in this thread you could have watched the whole fucking video.
psykobunny
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Its not loyalty. I think they feel betrayed by the critics, because The Order is just another samey AAA game that critics usually love and praise, but this game got criticism that other games were praised for.
Fixed2BeBroken
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so if i play a few different parts of The Order totaling to about 5-10 minutes, would my judgement (not that I have judged it yet) on it be justified using your logic?
and again, you didn't answer how they are "Acting like idiots" I truly want to understand that as I didn't seem them acting like idiots.
For fuck's sake, watch the fucking review.
Why haven't you watched the whole video? How did you even know which bits and pieces to watch?
And yet have spent a longer span of time posting on the thread about the video then actually watched the video in its entiety.
From your first post to now, you could have watched the entire video multiple times over.
And yet you post without fully watching it.
Multiple times over in fact.
MurkyZebra2417
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... Whst is there left to say,... I respond to false accusations and get shit like this.
It's ok, I lied. Game sucks and should be burned, maybe we can gather them all so nobody has to suffer trough the game.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Just imagine that if you watched it 3x already you would have been close to the boss battle in the order...
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Yes, my child. Let the hate run through you.
Coffee Dog
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Nobody is saying you have to be down on the game, jesus.
It should be expected to watch a video in a thread about that same video.
What is this petulant, defeated garbage?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
With the same amount of variety, too!
Will this do for a start? It's all in the thread. Perhaps reading it in it's entirety will provide fruitful for you?
FairXchange
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Don't call me oblivious, cool your jets. These are video game we're discussing, after all.
Also, if you were being sarcastic, I couldn't tell in a thread with shitposts like this:
You don't have to bash the game, just watch the fucking video.
call_kotaku
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People being annoyed by your attitude has nothing to do with your opinion of the game, just like your posts in this thread have nothing to do with the actual topic being discussed.
You're being extremely dramatic about something very inconsequential and generally proud about being ignorant and unwilling to participate in discussion. It's as if posting on neogaf is in itself like an elaborate QTE for you.
MurkyZebra2417
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I never said anything about video review. I responded to people saying the game is shit BASED on the review without ever playing it. My whole point is judging games by reviews without playing them is stupid. And the bits I watched from the video sucked, why would I watch it as a whole.
If people say "I played 3 Chapters of the Order and they sucked, I don't like it", bless them. People saying "the game is shit I watched a review that says it is shit!" should maybe actually play the game before judging it.
The ether harvest shall be bountiful this year.
Coffee Dog
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Those are all really, really minor issues. Nitpicks, really.
Its almost as if you are ignoring the major complaints about the plot and gameplay, because you haven't watched the video. hrrrrm.
Between cliche into cliche into cliche into non-ending, *gunshot* fade to black, into post-credits Batman-esque superhero origin sequence, and RAD just reusing the same QTE boss fight from earlier in the game for the final boss.... The game's story is an absolute disaster. One of the most disappointing and frustrating game narratives I've ever experienced.
It's an accidental shart in video game form. You think you're good, maybe it might just smell a little, but when it's all over, you have shit running down your leg.
It's an accidental shart in video game form. You think you're good, maybe it might just smell a little, but when it's all over, you have shit running down your leg.
And those points were counter by others saying otherwise.
And somehow you ignored the discussion around that fact and declared them totally correct?
He demanded to see the proof and declared he won't kill innocents until he sees it.
Then proceeds to break into private property, murder the guards and then asks at the end to see the proof.
So unless the main character already knew everyone defending the docks were guilty, he murdered what he was assumed to be innocent people doing their jobs.
LookAtMeGo
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Coffee Dog
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You don't have to play a game for criticisms to be valid. Just like with music, movies, books, tv, etc. It's why critics have a job.
Citing yourself and the petulant kid who also won't watch the video as evidence is kind of funny.
MurkyZebra2417
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I hope if somebody says "This song is total garbage", he actually listened to it before. And if someone writes a critique about a book, I sure hope he has read it....
An episodic-style story presented in standard video game franchise format is not a good idea. I can't believe I have to wait SEVERAL YEARS to see where all the plot points 1886 never bothered addressing go.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Not watching the full review and judging it based on those bits you watch is a wee bit...stupid no?
Coffee Dog
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If my friend says a song or book is total garbage, and explained why he thought so, I'd believe him. We have similar taste, and I trust his opinion.
The same applies for critics.
MurkyZebra2417
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People here sure have learned to quote out of context. Like I said, if somebody played some of the game and says it is shit, totally fine. If somebody says it is shit without ever playing it, not ok.
MurkyZebra2417
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Friends and strangers on the Internet are different things for me... but whatever.
You can tear apart pretty much all games if you try.
Fixed2BeBroken
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the discussion here is about what was said and pointed out in the review, being that it is a thread about that very thing. That's what people are discussing. Being that they watched the video, they can discuss the contents in the video. they do not have had to play the ORDER to discuss the video ABOUT the ORDER....
You engaging in discussion about the video, without having fully watched it, contradicts your comments about people judging the Order without having played the Order.
and again, how are they acting like two idiots in the video?
Your first post in this thread is on page three, It's now page 9, and you still haven't watched the entire video and still post complaints about reviews and people talking about reviews without playing.
The irony is thick.
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