Yeah, there is a need when the only found evidence of it's popularity puts it at <0.5mil sales.
Sure, could be a cult classic these days. Didn't sell worth crap back then though.
"Previously Recorded" review The Order 1886
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Yeah, there is a need when the only found evidence of it's popularity puts it at <0.5mil sales.
Sure, could be a cult classic these days. Didn't sell worth crap back then though.
Well it kind of is. They _review_ single aspects of the game, have a wrap up in the end and summarise their opinion on it by stating whether they recommend buying it or not.
Nevertheless, this is not supposed to be a serious 'gaming journalism' review at all. I don't get why anyone would get upset about a funny video by the RLM guys.
M.W.
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I'm offended at the game being bashed by these idiots. But, every one is entitled.
I am familiar with them. I love their stuff. I think this video is top notch material from them and it's why I made this thread.
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Well, you can't talk about Fahrenheit without talking about Heavy Rain, now can you?
Look up the sales of Heavy Rain.
I can: Released 2010. It's irrelevant to my point.
You've never made your point clear, not once. We've just been debating hypotheticals, because you said nobody would have cared about a game like The Order in 2005.
In 2005, people cared enough about Fahrenheit to put David Cage on the map, that's my point.
You can provide a counterpoint to someone's opinion. If you think they're off-base, name-calling isn't the strongest way of saying that.
thunder_snail
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The review is quite accurate. Everything they say about the game is true.
But the whole "Fuck You" to the devs and then burning the game was just offensive. Just return the game or sell it or something. Going out of the way to insult the people that made the game is not cool.(and even if The Order is a bad game, you can tell lots and lots of love went into it).
But the whole "Fuck You" to the devs and then burning the game was just offensive. Just return the game or sell it or something. Going out of the way to insult the people that made the game is not cool.(and even if The Order is a bad game, you can tell lots and lots of love went into it).
I like how people try to bring up the Spectre of GAMES JOURNALISM when talking about something as subjective as a Review.
Especially about a YouTube game review.
Why are they idiots for disliking something? Sounds pretty harsh and personal to me, calling people idiots for hating a goddamn product. They mix in depth arguments for their opinion with over the top jokes and intended silliness. Watch some of RLM's video reviews. I still don't get how you could be offended in any way from the video. It's not like they don't name any good reasons or seriously think their opinion is the only correct one. They also often disagree with each other, this time they didn't, so they agreed to hate it and express just that - that's totally okay.
GribbleGrunger
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Ok, so I decided to watch it anyway. I got as far as him talking about player agency ... This is TRASH and childish stuff right here. He tries to make the case that in other shooters you decide on how you approach a situation and YOU have control, and he uses the opening sequence to prove you DON'T have that control. I've got no idea how they're going to backtrack on this when they get to the shooting parts but I'm not going to suffer any more of this immaturity to find out. People don't like The Order ... I get it, but this hatred is being stretched to cartoon thinness.
Melon Husk
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Of course it takes a film critic to make the best review for of a cinematic game.
To add: Heavenly Sword for example is much better because it doesn't take itself so seriously.
To add: Heavenly Sword for example is much better because it doesn't take itself so seriously.
Insulting a product is not the same as insulting the people that made it. Sure, they did directly insult the writers, but did they not back up that insult well enough with hard evidence?
Also, lighting it on fire was fucking hilarious.
Going out of your way to be offended for other people is curious. Their game should speak for itself, and it should be capable of defending itself. It clearly wasn't.
No, the "Fuck You" is directed at the terrible story and "dick-punch" sequel-hook ending of the game itself.
I completely agree. Everything they say about the game makes sense, but the burning is a tad too much. It must hurt for those developers, busting their asses on a game, to hear somethign like this.
But I guess the "Fuck You" in the end is more directed at the publishers who decide to make a game like this in the first place.
You mean the QTE in the next part of the video that has no consquence and just sits there waiting for you to push X and repeats the animation over and over again?
Oh but you would know this if you actually watch it fully before posting.
WordsintheWater
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Just watched the whole thing, can't disagree with a lot of what they said, only things I can say is that Tesla does more than build a gun with a scope, but I assume that was used to get some laughs or something also that when Galahad ends up killing those people where they had that little kill count, he was shot at by them before he did anything. Countless games do the same thing, but I guess it holds more weight here since it's more story focused. As for the video itself, I found it boring and not entertaining, but they were very thorough with their criticisms.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
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And even more people were asking questions like "David who?".
Aside form the pre-mission conversation where Galahad declares that they are not going to kill innocents, a conversation on the scale you're implying after they started murdering people does not happen as far as I can recall; at most there are some throwaway one-lines about it, and that is just not enough. As soon as they are shot at, he instantly switches to "I'm going to kill everything that moves"-mode. Later, he gets the jump on the sniper - who is unaware of his presence - and still finds it necessarily to take out his huge machete and stab him to death instead of subduing him. This all because the leader of the rebels said that there might be something going on. All this time, he was operating on a single vague statement by the leader of the faction The Order has been fighting for a long time, the faction directly responsible for the death of his mentor and a faction with everything to gain from creating internal turmoil within The Order.
What evidence for what conspiracy? As far as Galahad knows, there is no conspiracy. In fact, there was no real plausible reason for Galahad to believe anything the rebel leader said. There was no real reason for him to go with her, aside from the plot demanding it.
Interesting perspective you have here, but the fact is that these things are not set up properly or not at all in the actual story of the game. Your theory on Galahad 'valuing life differently' because of his class is not supported by or hinted at in the story.
Ehm, ok? Yeah, by the end of the game, the rebels are turned into unquestionably honorable and noble people that are obviously meant to be the good guys vs. the evil vampire conspiracy plot headed by Jack the Ripper. I don't really get your point? There's no real ambiguity or moral dilemma here; the story is written in a way that makes them the unquestionably noble good guys and the vampires the unquestionably evil conspiracy guys.
This is speculation on your part, again not something actually set up, explained or handled within the story itself.
WordsintheWater
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They're actively trying to kill someone that he was with, but I guess he should have gone in there blowing bubbles at them and coloring rainbows on the walls.
freenudemacusers
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I wonder how long you can sit there at the QTE. An hour? A day? A week? Maybe galahad grows a beard as an easter egg.
thunder_snail
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I'm saying they took it too far near the end. I was laughing and enjoying the review until the very end.
Have you ever created something for sale? Even if you're not giving it away as a gift to someone important to you, it feels like shit when you get tonnes of bad opinions on it. But that is Okay, the feedback will make you feel bad for a moment but it will let you improve in the future.
Someone burning the product you've put so much effort and releasing a video of it so every one can see, with a big "FUCK YOU" in flames, is just not cool.
It doesn't matter if it was pointed at the pubs and not the devs. The people who are gonna be really offended are the devs.
GribbleGrunger
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I saw that bit. This is children's hour stuff. Grown men shouldn't be watching this nonsense. I've got no problem with some people disliking the game but I have got a problem with juvenile stuff like this.
These two are embarrassing.
Yeah just like people said "Miyamoto who" when Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. came out, right? Thanks providing a non-argument. Antitrop even wrote that the game put him on the map, how could people have known him beforehand? ohh, I feel a headache coming.
I watched 10 minutes of the review, and it kind of amazes me how the reviewers and others have complained about the slow linear scripted intro. Yet TLoU's intro was just as long and drawn out yet gets praised. I thought the intro for The Order was cool, the atmosphere from the beginning was great.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
24 murders in, I guess they should have cut their loses. He was really asking to be stabbed in the side and then through the neck.
That's the non-argument. In the company of behemots like GTA 3, David Cage getting to keep his career is hardly what i would qualify as winning a big gaming popularity contest.
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If someone's underlying point is that they won't be bothered watching the subject of the thread, that's not a good basis for posting. In the same sense that someone in a thread about [X] saying "I don't care about [X]" isn't contributing. Not every thread is a platform for you if you're not willing to engage the topic. Petty name-calling doesn't count as engaging the topic.
WordsintheWater
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You're right every person that shot at him or tried to kill his partner he should have stopped and surrendered, or tried to reason with them, or just let himself get killed.
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The intro to the last of us had way more subtle storytelling and even though it was set inside a small house, had way more exploration and freedom than the intro to the order, it also was unique in the fact that it took place from the perspective of the MC's daughter and not the MC. And it mostly certainly doesn't interrupt the gameplay with a ton of cutscenes or reintroduce stuff we already know via tutorial.
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Oh ok thanks game, I totes didn't figure that out before when you told me it the first time.
She wasn't even his partner, she was this the leader of the rebellion that he for some reason trusted enough to follow and blindly kill a bunch of people for later he specifically said "Oh we can't kill people." It's stupid, that's all it is. In fact, why she feels the need to tell him is also lolworthy considering he had just an hour at most beforehand, blew up her entire force in a fit of rage and pointed a gun at her face and her second in-command.
Spieler Eins
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At the very least, the hilarious reactions this game causes almost make it worth existing.
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So how big does something have to be in order to qualify?
Especially when you use something as ridiculous as a comparison to GTA.
What next, MMOs don't matter if it's not as big as WoW?
CambriaRising
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How dare they expose this game for it's (numerous) faults.
Can grown women watch it?
More_Badass
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He asked you about the game and its use of QTEs. What do you think about that?
Well, it could sell more than 0.5 million. It's funny that people are even arguing this. Though i suppose it's what should be expected from the Order thread where a game getting less than those sales is considered something that the public cares about.
It's proper etiquette to respond to others. People quoting me should be aware of this themselves. That game is not something that i would consider important, sorry.
Please stop the madness.
Or, you know, left after he was forced to kill someone who was, as far as he knew, just doing their job.
Or maybe, IDK, shown some deep remorse or fury at what's-her-face for putting him in a situation where he felt forced to take innocent lives.
Or just about anything to make that dialogue prior to the mission seem narratively justified instead of the writers slapping the audience in the face with "LOOK HOW NOBLE HE IS, GUYS!"
Phrozenflame500
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Pretty great review that sums up all my thoughts on the game.
If you enjoyed it, great! But I can't imagine anyone really remembering this game in a year or so.
If you enjoyed it, great! But I can't imagine anyone really remembering this game in a year or so.
Enjoyed the vid. RLM is awesome.
Gotta look at the details.Even though the intro for last of us was the least amount of control the game afforded the player, it was still better paced and better done than anything The Order did. The intro of the former gave the player all the time in the world to learn the basic controls and make their way to where they had to in an organic manner. And eventually it opened up do being an excellent TPS/Stealth game while The Order languished in mediocrity.
Gotta look at the details.Even though the intro for last of us was the least amount of control the game afforded the player, it was still better paced and better done than anything The Order did. The intro of the former gave the player all the time in the world to learn the basic controls and make their way to where they had to in an organic manner. And eventually it opened up do being an excellent TPS/Stealth game while The Order languished in mediocrity.
GribbleGrunger
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Certainly not! Unless accompanied by an infant. Those buggers are a devil to get to sleep.
I'm OK with QTEs. I've played them in many games I've loved. I get that some people don't like this game and that's fine -- not all people like the same things. But this is the video equivalent of your typical Youtube comment.
I'd sooner watch Crapgamer than these two chimpanzee, and I'm serious about that.
perineumlick
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Like I said, I find it immature and unnecessary, regardless of their opinion. I was one of the first people to give impressions of the game here on GAF, and while I enjoyed it, I didn't gloss over the negatives, and predicted the game would not be to everyone's taste, so you can save the defensive bullshit for someone else. If you find burning games fun, then knock yourself out; I don't. Don't see a problem here, let's move on.
You're waaay off topic. If a comparison for the conversation wasn't a strong one, either ignore it, suggest a better one, or use your imagination to try to understand what the other person was saying. You not being aware of a game isn't important.
WordsintheWater
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Was his partner at the moment, she dies, he doesn't find out what is going on. The reason I believe he trusted her is because he trusted Perceval and it was pretty obvious Perceval knew something was going on. This stuff happens in every single video game. Why the heck do I kill so many innocent soldiers in Assassins Creed, they are just doing their jobs.
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