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Yuuma
shooting his own arm off
was pretty cool, though

But they should've had an actual reason for him
landing on his gun
, or atleast made it intentional instead of just dumb luck.

Maybe the reason that 2 of the 3 main characters had really uninteresting mid-season upgrades is because they're doing dramatic upgrades for season 3. Yuuma would need to build a new gunpla to compete in the artistic cup, atleast, so I assume he'll use it in the world tournament as well.
 
Ass episode with a shit fight between two shit gundams. On the positive, it wasn't two parts and it ended up being a 1v1(kinda) because people got rekt, not because in the semi finals of a major tournament everyone decides that they'll let every fight be an honorable duel and exponentially increase their chance of failure.
 
lol, the villains won like the JPs said.

It definitely feels like they regressed in theme which has been an issue with the show for the entire season but I think they got the idea with Minato right, just lacking in actual arc. It really would have been a great follow-up to Mao's stuff in GBF to have Minato go through all of this properly.

Still, I really like the episode overall. They showed The Osaka team was a real threat and got all of the SR stuff in like I wanted. The Try Fighters not watching the match and getting bopped as a result really worked out for that reason. I thought TTryon 3's final attack was going to be Zambot & Daitarn's because it started with a moon but then the G showed up and slayed me, lol.

And honestly, I don't mind how it ended, it kind of makes sense even if it offends my sensibilities, lol. Who would of thought you could win when your opponent runs out of energy? lol
 
Maybe the reason that 2 of the 3 main characters had really uninteresting mid-season upgrades is because they're doing dramatic upgrades for season 3. Yuuma would need to build a new gunpla to compete in the artistic cup, atleast, so I assume he'll use it in the world tournament as well.

Only way to salvage this cast is to shitcan Sekai and Yuuma and just go forward with Fumina in a 1v1 tourney.

Like the thought of watching Yuuma get a bigger backpack in a world tournament that has another backpack attached to it and seeing the writing respond to it as if it was some great feat is enough to make my teeth grind. Sei should pop in and call him a scrub to his face, and as he cries, all the good characters in the series should form a circle around him and laugh, like Evangelion's ending but without the congratulatory note. Just mockery.
 
What if Sekai dies in the finale, and season 3 revolves around Fumina building a Gunpla in his honour, but then the indomitable spirit of Sekai inhabits this new Gunpla and they get into hilarious hijinks together as they fight through the world tournament. Also Yuuma is dead for unrelated reasons.
 
What if Sekai dies in the finale, and season 3 revolves around Fumina building a Gunpla in his honour, but then the indomitable spirit of Sekai inhabits this new Gunpla and they get into hilarious hijinks together as they fight through the world tournament. Also Yuuma is dead for unrelated reasons.

To make up for this season, Season 3 just needs to be Sei, Reiji, and Meijin bodying teams.
 
Episode 22

But I think the problem comes with the fact that this is a sequel to Build Fighters, and it feels like many of the themes are a bit pointless considering how instead of the show telling us that people can grow from noobs to champions, we actually saw that in the first season without the commentary. It feels like the show has gone backwards thematically. Also, the production values continue to feel sub-par compared to the first. There was some really nice shading in some scenes here, but on the whole the animation and the polish in most scenes were not as good as they should have been. Still, it's SUPER ROBOT. Can't hate too much. :)
This is one of the shows many problems. As a sports series, and as a piece of Gundam fanservice, Gundam Build Fighters was essentially perfect from a writing perspective. I wrote on many occasions about how brilliantly the show developed it's characters, created interesting and likeable rivals and how effectively real team work (in the form of one builder and one fighter) created a series with two legitimate main characters who both had separate but equally important arcs. It was too good.

Watching Try really feels like watching the rough outline of a series that with love and polish could develop into a good show. But they've already made that series.

When you hit every possible aspect of a concept as effectively as the original series did it admittedly leaves little room for manoeuvre. The problem with visiting a team of less skilled characters is that it feels like this is a step backwards and that's because it literally is. This Under 19 Japan only tournament is clearly just a stepping stone to worlds, something which everyone this episode was kind enough to drop comments about. But we've already gone to worlds - last season.

I appreciate the idea of fights involving multiple Gunpla but the execution of those fights has been pretty lacklustre. Rather than developing interesting fights and character dynamics based around real time work (something which you can see in Girls Und Panzer) they just let the fights degenerate into a series of 1 vs 1 battles. At least stick with your initial concept.
 
While the resolution was more than underwhelming...

I fucking loved the animations and attacks for Tryon 3! Holy fuck that was amazing. Sakai was just bursting with energy, too. Good on him for calling them on their shameful tactics.
I was like this when he combines all of Tryon 3's beam attacks into a single super beam.

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And that Boomerang Stagger, that Raptor Breaker, that Howl Lyger, that Hyper Minovsky Chohoken. Like I said before, Tryon 3 represents all that is good and sacred in gunpla.


Maybe I'm gushing over it a little too much. But I have never seen such an outrageously super robot gundam before. Not even G produced something like this.

The resolution of this week's fight was literally outrageous.

What a disgusting piece of writing.

Yeah. This is the most unearned victory in the show.

To make up for this season, Season 3 just needs to be Sei, Reiji, and Meijin bodying teams.

After this showing I think Sakai deserves another chance. Maybe make him drop his hard-on for Artistic Gunpla Champion.
 
I desperately wanted the holo booths of Build Busters to morph and expand so the entire team occupies the same "cockpit".

Was disappointed they didn't go that extra mile.

Also, I appreciate that the 3v3 format makes these kinds of shenanigans possible, but it's so much effort for so little reward, and just winds up diluting everything else.
 
Not doing real team battles is probably the biggest missed opportunity with the show as it was something they could have really done over the first season of GBF with ease. Unfortunately, they've kind of botched it in a number of occasions this season by either not taking it far enough or just skipping straight to the 1v1.

This ep wasn't different in that respect but at least they came up with a way to win the fight that was foreshadowed in the previous episode, running out of gas, lol Undeserved victory but at least it makes sense.
 
This is one of the shows many problems. As a sports series, and as a piece of Gundam fanservice, Gundam Build Fighters was essentially perfect from a writing perspective. I wrote on many occasions about how brilliantly the show developed it's characters, created interesting and likeable rivals and how effectively real team work (in the form of one builder and one fighter) created a series with two legitimate main characters who both had separate but equally important arcs. It was too good.

Watching Try really feels like watching the rough outline of a series that with love and polish could develop into a good show. But they've already made that series.

When you hit every possible aspect of a concept as effectively as the original series did it admittedly leaves little room for manoeuvre. The problem with visiting a team of less skilled characters is that it feels like this is a step backwards and that's because it literally is. This Under 19 Japan only tournament is clearly just a stepping stone to worlds, something which everyone this episode was kind enough to drop comments about. But we've already gone to worlds - last season.

I appreciate the idea of fights involving multiple Gunpla but the execution of those fights has been pretty lacklustre. Rather than developing interesting fights and character dynamics based around real time work (something which you can see in Girls Und Panzer) they just let the fights degenerate into a series of 1 vs 1 battles. At least stick with your initial concept.

The whole season feels like this should be the first season. It's absolutely bizarre how the writing has regressed. Most sequels strike out by going larger and bigger in the most obnoxious way possible or do something insane. Here it's the opposite and it's just as detrimental.
 
Let's be thankful it wasn't the other way around. If this was the first season, a second season would never have been made.
 
Remember, when you're at the pump only fill up yer Gunpla with Pete's Premium Particles. Don't be pickin' up that cheap nasty stuff, it'll cost ya.
 
Let's be thankful it wasn't the other way around. If this was the first season, a second season would never have been made.

True, that. I wonder what caused the huge downgrade in quality. Did they change the writers/directors? Maybe Bandai was heavy handed in their change requests?
 
As weird as this sounds I wouldn't be surprised if Try was largely written first. Like why is there no stuff about Reiji's homeplanet? That was a huge aspect of the first season.

It's absolutely bizarre.

True, that. I wonder what caused the huge downgrade in quality. Did they change the writers/directors? Maybe Bandai was heavy handed in their change requests?

It's the same writer which makes this entirely insane. It's like this season was the initial rejected concept that later became the first season.
 
It's the same writer which makes this entirely insane. It's like this season was the initial rejected concept that later became the first season.
I imagine it's question of time and of passion. The first season was a love letter to Gundam and the writing felt so well rounded, so fun, so creative and complete that I can only imagine it took awhile for everything to be created before actual production began. It feels like they really put everything into it. I can only imagine how much sweat and effort it took to produce. At the end of the show I felt like it had told a complete story and I certainly didn't need anything more.

Then, the first season is an unexpectedly resounding successes and the executives at Sunrise turn around and say "You know what, based on the sales of our Gunpla we're really going to need another season of this. And the first episode will air in 6 months. Go."

I can't imagine that any creative person would be thrilled with the prospect of essentially having to re-hash old ground and pop out yet another show so fast after turning in the last one. Is it any surprise that it feels bland, rushed and sloppy?
 
I feel like the creators of the show would probably agree with most of you guys' ideas, but budget constraints really limit their options as to what to do. It's why almost all mecha shows use 3D CGI and most anime is generic cheap waifu stuff, because drawing the sort of quality we expect probably costs a ton now that everything is in HD.

G-Reco is a 2-season show as well, right? I guess expectations should be pretty low if the next GBF series gets an equally small budget. I hope they don't slash g-reco's budget, though, even though I don't watch the show. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 
I really think the reasons for the tonal shift is purely executive meddling.

"Have it skew younger"

"Make it more like what the kids are into these days"

"Put in three times as many merchandizing oppourtunities"

"Make it less serialized"

"Now do it with half the budget"

These are classic garbage network suggestions here in the west. I'm not as familliar with how networks operate in Japan, so maybe I'm off-base, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
 
Thought that was the best fight of the season. Nice to see them actually break out the budget!

Yeah Minato was robbed, but fucking duh. Try Fighters are't not going to the finals. I mean, how many disingenuous wins did Sei and Reiji pull out of their ass last year? Virtually all of them? 99 percent of the time, Build Knuckle was an instant win.

Precisely.

The Tryon-3 hadn't even been fucking HIT and had already devastated the inarguably more powerful Gundams on Team Try Fighters. Yuuma's Lightning Gundam had only survived because it had been shielded, and even then it was shaking when it landed.

More to the point, though, it's a fucking Sniper Gundam. It had no business hoping to win against the hilariously powerful Tryon-3.

The only reason Try Fighters seems to be winning is because everybody else has a limited supply of particles and they don't seem to.

But seriously "oh this gun is conveniently still functional despite having been ravaged! GUESS I WIN."

Yuuma only won because the plot required him to.

While the particles thing is in of itself nothing but a plot contrivance, Tryon-3 is also very clearly spamming way bigger beams than any of the Try fighters are. Is it really that surprising it'll burn through its particle supply quicker?

Also, hadn't been hit? Yuuma rammed his beam saber into the Tryon's chest. I'm not even sure how it kept fighting after that. Gundam science dictates that beam sabers in chest = explosion.

The resolution of this week's fight was literally outrageous.

What a disgusting piece of writing.

lol, what the hell does literally outrageous even mean? Did you scream at your monitor?

As weird as this sounds I wouldn't be surprised if Try was largely written first. Like why is there no stuff about Reiji's homeplanet? That was a huge aspect of the first season.

It's absolutely bizarre.



It's the same writer which makes this entirely insane. It's like this season was the initial rejected concept that later became the first season.

Reiji's homeworld wasn't a "huge aspect" of the first season, which made even it weirder. This guy is from a completely different dimension and it's hardly ever addressed! Even the completely toothless villain, who also hails from said other dimension, is barely given much backstory. It was such a tangential and glossed over plot point I don't know it was made up in the first place.

Funnily enough, in addition to writing both seasons of this show, Kuroda also wrote all of 00, another series where everyone was head over the heels for the first season and then hated the second one like poison.

G-Reco is a 2-season show as well, right?

No, thank god.
 
^iirc Tomino said his intention was to create a shorter series right from the beginning. Of course, maybe he was just anticipating a
well-earned
cancellation ahead of time!
 
Reiji's homeworld wasn't a "huge aspect" of the first season, which made even it weirder. This guy is from a completely different dimension and it's hardly ever addressed! Even the completely toothless villain, who also hails from said other dimension, is barely given much backstory. It was such a tangential and glossed over plot point I don't know it was made up in the first place.
Reread what you quoted.
 
Wow the writer is the same as in S1? That's mind blowing. How could he have screwed up so badly? I thought it was a different team working on it as I had remembered reading it was another director.
 
Wow the writer is the same as in S1? That's mind blowing. How could he have screwed up so badly? I thought it was a different team working on it as I had remembered reading it was another director.

To be fair, even S1 writing toward the end wasn't terribly unpredictable, just BUILD KNUCKLE everything.
 
Wow the writer is the same as in S1? That's mind blowing. How could he have screwed up so badly? I thought it was a different team working on it as I had remembered reading it was another director.

Probably time constraints if anything. Penning a story for a series isn't something you can do quickly and churn out something quality unless you're extremely talented or had the ideas already stuck in your head. It's very likely the resounding success of the first season got Try green-lit and they scrambled to come up with something. They have the ideas here but they didn't have the time to trim it and lay it out like they they had with the first season. First season had problems too though as massoluk points out.

They have the ideas this season, just didn't get time to bake it, I feel.
 
They have the ideas this season, just didn't get time to bake it, I feel.

Honestly I don't think they even have that. I can't pinpoint any theme that I think is notable that has failed solely due to the execution.

The only concept I can think of is possibly the team format but due to how hostile the show is to the notion of teams, I can't see that ever working.
 
They have all the characters in place they need for the season, rivals for each character, their own storylines, themes within those, and all of that jazz. It just isn't structured in a way that makes it interesting at all. Then battles take a lot more work to be interesting when they're supposed to be team affairs. First season degenerated into Build Knuckle the entire time so it's honestly surprising that they haven't fallen into a worse pattern this time around, lol.
 
This episode was amazing, the Try On is fucking amazing. Stupid plot armor / resolution was terrible though.

Two weeks in a row the losers somehow come up on top. The fuck.

They have all the characters in place they need for the season, rivals for each character, their own storylines, themes within those, and all of that jazz. It just isn't structured in a way that makes it interesting at all. Then battles take a lot more work to be interesting when they're supposed to be team affairs. First season degenerated into Build Knuckle the entire time so it's honestly surprising that they haven't fallen into a worse pattern this time around, lol.

I agree with you here. What if....what if GBF Try had to suffer so that GBF Try Harder could be even more amazing?
 
I wonder how long of a break there will be between the end of this and the second season. How successful has try Try been compared to GBF?
 
Reread what you quoted.

Err, which part? He said Reiji's home planet was a huge aspect of S1, I disagreed.

They have all the characters in place they need for the season, rivals for each character, their own storylines, themes within those, and all of that jazz. It just isn't structured in a way that makes it interesting at all. Then battles take a lot more work to be interesting when they're supposed to be team affairs. First season degenerated into Build Knuckle the entire time so it's honestly surprising that they haven't fallen into a worse pattern this time around, lol.

This is more or less why I don't think this season is some huge drop off in quality compared to the first season, even if I do think S1 is superior. In both seasons, the writing had similar issues of: main characters surviving obvious losses with plot armor; snatching victories left and right with instant-win techniques (though with the luxury of 3 protagonists instead of 1, Try's wins are a little more varied); underdeveloped and/or lame rivals; more characters and subplots than the show knows what to do with (this seems to be a Kuroda hallmark as 00 had the same problem); and so on. I think the main difference in writing between the two seasons is the loss of more meta Gundam references this year, which is a shame.

I'd pin the big difference in quality down to the budget. The fights can't look as good without the money to back them up.
 
Err, which part? He said Reiji's home planet was a huge aspect of S1, I disagreed.

The home planet stuff was important for the background of the villain, not that important for Reiji, was the reason behind Plavsky Particles, and the climax as a whole. It's very much a big part of the first season.
 
Err, which part? He said Reiji's home planet was a huge aspect of S1, I disagreed.



This is more or less why I don't think this season is some huge drop off in quality compared to the first season, even if I do think S1 is superior. In both seasons, the writing had similar issues of: main characters surviving obvious losses with plot armor; snatching victories left and right with instant-win techniques (though with the luxury of 3 protagonists instead of 1, Try's wins are a little more varied); underdeveloped and/or lame rivals; more characters and subplots than the show knows what to do with (this seems to be a Kuroda hallmark as 00 had the same problem); and so on. I think the main difference in writing between the two seasons is the loss of more meta Gundam references this year, which is a shame.

I'd pin the big difference in quality down to the budget. The fights can't look as good without the money to back them up.

Lame rivals was a problem in GBF? The supporting cast was one of that show's biggest strengths.
 
Curious if lightning gundam will snipe or go really fast ever again. Blew my mind that the speed advantage or sniping wasn't used to take down tryon. It would be like if in a upcoming episode if Build Burning used a gun to take down his rival. Pacing felt bad but at least it had the moment where he shot his own arm off that was sorta ok.
 
Well GBF has significant areas where it exceeds over Try. All of the major players are introduced early within their plot, episodes are dedicated to them, they have their own proper story lines, a number of fights are exceedingly well done, etc. So I do think Try is definitely a dip in quality but they have the pieces for it to work. They just got arrange it properly.

If Try S2 ends up being real and amazing, it'll be worth it to have had this season to work out the rough edges, lol.
 
They have all the characters in place they need for the season, rivals for each character, their own storylines, themes within those, and all of that jazz. It just isn't structured in a way that makes it interesting at all. Then battles take a lot more work to be interesting when they're supposed to be team affairs. First season degenerated into Build Knuckle the entire time so it's honestly surprising that they haven't fallen into a worse pattern this time around, lol.

You know, for as bad as the Build Knuckle finisher was it really was only a problem in the handful of fights in the later season which involved the Build Strike. There were plenty of awesome fights prior to the Build Knuckle and even a few after as well that didn't involve that lame super move. While it certainly signified a lack of creativity in terms of the writing of those fights it was a relatively minor tarnish on what was otherwise a thoroughly excellent production.

Compare and contrast that to the myriad of problems that trouble the second season and it starts to look pretty minor.
Curious if lightning gundam will snipe or go really fast ever again. Blew my mind that the speed advantage or sniping wasn't used to take down tryon. It would be like if in a upcoming episode if Build Burning used a gun to take down his rival. Pacing felt bad but at least it had the moment where he shot his own arm off that was sorta ok.

Almost like the show was written in a rush huh.
 
Rewatched the episode again on my TV this time. So effing good. Minato should've just taken the win safely. Fuck Try Fighters, they tried to scumbag you during your combination sequence.

Well GBF has significant areas where it exceeds over Try. All of the major players are introduced early within their plot, episodes are dedicated to them, they have their own proper story lines, a number of fights are exceedingly well done, etc. So I do think Try is definitely a dip in quality but they have the pieces for it to work. They just got arrange it properly.

If Try S2 ends up being real and amazing, it'll be worth it to have had this season to work out the rough edges, lol.

That's honestly what I'm hoping for.

Would it be called TRY HARDER or TRY AGAIN?
 
You know, for as bad as the Build Knuckle finisher was it really was only a problem in the handful of fights in the later season which involved the Build Strike. There were plenty of awesome fights prior to the Build Knuckle and even a few after as well that didn't involve that lame super move. While it certainly signified a lack of creativity in terms of the writing of those fights it was a relatively minor tarnish on what was otherwise a thoroughly excellent production.

Compare and contrast that to the myriad of problems that trouble the second season and it starts to look pretty minor.


Almost like the show was written in a rush huh.

The show having more fights between characters other than Sei and Reiji helped a lot but any fight involving Build Strike was straight up the Knuckle, even against Aila, lol

But it simply goes back to the issue with this season, it's rushed and they didn't structure the series correctly for the same payout. All of the non-protag fights have been short and barely anything other than the Lucas fight and that one was really set to fail from the beginning, lol.
 
Rewatched the episode again on my TV this time. So effing good. Minato should've just taken the win safely. Fuck Try Fighters, they tried to scumbag you during your combination sequence.



That's honestly what I'm hoping for.

Would it be called TRY HARDER or TRY AGAIN?

Gundam Build Fighters Tryon 3.
 
The home planet stuff was important for the background of the villain, not that important for Reiji, was the reason behind Plavsky Particles, and the climax as a whole. It's very much a big part of the first season.

The villain was paper thin, his being from Reiji's world had very little bearing on the plot, and none of it really came to the fore until the last episode or two anyway. It was so far in the background that it was almost completely unimportant to the proceedings. This is one plotting decision I've liked about Try over GBF: no lame evil plans or ridiculous villains, just rival teams fighting each other in tournaments.

Lame rivals was a problem in GBF? The supporting cast was one of that show's biggest strengths.

Well there was Fellini and Yuuki (who spent more time brooding than fighting), and..uh...

Maoh was fine at first, then turned into a crybaby. I never liked Nils and always thought his character and his gimmick were really stupid. There was the F91 guy who I liked, but was in and out in one episode. Everyone else was forgettable.
 
The show having more fights between characters other than Sei and Reiji helped a lot but any fight involving Build Strike was straight up the Knuckle, even against Aila, lol

But it simply goes back to the issue with this season, it's rushed and they didn't structure the series correctly for the same payout. All of the non-protag fights have been short and barely anything other than the Lucas fight and that one was really set to fail from the beginning, lol.

The Build Knuckle was just a finishing move though. Even if that's how it ended, the fight was always different and interesting up until then. Try fights are more like if Reiji did nothing but Build Knuckles from start to finish and then finished them off with a BK that was a different color.

Err, which part? He said Reiji's home planet was a huge aspect of S1, I disagreed.
He was saying in regard to how he wouldn't be surprised if Try was written first because of how it completely ignores things from the first season, like Reiji's Fantasy Fun Land, which would only be logical to explore next... And even if it wasn't something that he was constantly talking about, it was actually really important to the plot since the Medieval Times Dinner & Jousting magic is the whole reason gunpla battle exists (which actually makes them not going into it in s2 even more confusing since Nils basically recreated magic and he's just whatever about it).
 
Precisely.

The Tryon-3 hadn't even been fucking HIT and had already devastated the inarguably more powerful Gundams on Team Try Fighters. Yuuma's Lightning Gundam had only survived because it had been shielded, and even then it was shaking when it landed.

More to the point, though, it's a fucking Sniper Gundam. It had no business hoping to win against the hilariously powerful Tryon-3.

The only reason Try Fighters seems to be winning is because everybody else has a limited supply of particles and they don't seem to.

But seriously "oh this gun is conveniently still functional despite having been ravaged! GUESS I WIN."

Yuuma only won because the plot required him to.

Sekai is powered by willpower, The winning gundam is an SD gundam that can bend teh rules and yuma....
Yuma gundam had his backpack ! now that's where the xtra particles were from !!!
 
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