Neil Blomkamp's Alien film a direct sequel to Aliens; disregards Alien 3/Resurrection

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It was argued at the time that the acid was rapidly (though not instantly) neutralised by organic material tom help maintain the viability of potential hosts.

Eh. Not the greatest of retcons by the fans there. The entire point of the acid blood is it's a defense mechanism. Potential hosts that can threaten the thing to the point where it starts freely bleeding are probably no longer considered potential hosts at that point.

It's more or less one of those things you just kinda go "eh. I guess it works like THAT now, for this movie."

Same thing happened in Resurrection. They show the Aliens murdering one of their own to get the blood to almost immediately eat through like four or 5 floors. And then they show a drop of it hitting the little guy's leg... and it singes his pants, basically.
 
The creature in Alien is a humanoid-looking individual that takes out the crew of the Nostromo one by one like Bruce Willis in space, but it also uses them to procreate.

In Aliens we have a Hive. A Queen that lays eggs and an army of drones that rush and kill the guys with automatic weapons.

In the end, both can't get the job done - and it's just a matter of taste what you prefer.
I like the concept of the more intelligent/self-preservative individual stalker from Alien more and hence feel like the "strength by numbers" approach (as good as Cameron's film is) was as necessary as an army of Hannibal Lecters.
Plus turning one victim into an egg of yours to impregnate another (victim) is so much more alien than a Queen laying eggs.

I understand this point of view, I just never saw the films as distinct as this. Tonally yes, but when I saw Aliens it felt very much like a natural expansion of the first. They're studies of the creature as much as a study of our own fears brought out by it.

The approaches of both films do work, do both get the job done, and both are inherently linked as the quote from Dan O'Bannon on the previous page makes clear; he felt the insect life-cycle was crucial to Alien and even profoundly important from a psychological point of view. The insect thing was always there and key to it.

We see the egg chamber in Alien, this isn't just an individual stalker monster from outer space. We have loads of films like that. It's a species. Alien is unique in that the monster of this horror film has a detailed life-cycle for once; it's a force of nature and much more believable and terrifying because of that. I think that's part of why it has endured so much.

We are meant to try and understand it, not just view it as mysterious and alien. Dan O'Bannon said he didn't want to dumb the biology of the creature down but detail it because nature is scary and realising that is where the fear comes from. The xenomorph takes on humanoid qualities as a result of the parasitic nature of our encounter with it, which taps into the human conditions of rape, pregnancy and childbirth. It's about how its life-cycle is at odds with our own. All Aliens did was show us more of that, and introduce motherhood as another parallel for when these normally distinct life-cycles, human and insect, collide.

How you encounter the creature also shapes how you see it, as in nature. In the same way as one spider being loose in your house can be just as scary as your house being overrun by them. It's a different type of fear, which provokes a different type of response. We naturally attribute significance and qualities to an individual rather than a group because our focus is on an a sole individual which magnifies it. The Queen in Aliens is quite literally that magnified individual, just now given a reason for being so.

Neither approach undermines the other in the potential of the creature to elicit fear in my opinion, both Alien and Aliens are about exploring the cycle of life and the horror of nature from our human understanding of it.
 
It's in the title of the thread :P

Aliens 3 doesn't exist so there's nothing to survive

I thought Blomkamp went back on his statement about that? Or, he clarified it for the most part. People interpreted him as saying alien 3 and 4 didn't exist, but he clarified by saying ""I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..." http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-re-clarifies-how-his-alien-movie-would-a-1688821887

The only logical explanation would be to make both of those movies a cryosleep nightmare sequence!
 
I thought Blomkamp went back on his statement about that? Or, he clarified it for the most part. People interpreted him as saying alien 3 and 4 didn't exist, but he clarified by saying ""I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..." http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-re-clarifies-how-his-alien-movie-would-a-1688821887

The only logical explanation would be to make both of those movies a cryosleep nightmare sequence!

His actual quote:

I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection... My favorites are the first two movies. I want to make a film that's connected to Alien and Aliens. That's my goal.

Essentially he's saying he didn't set out to erase those movies, but his is going to be a sequel to Aliens. Essentially, it's completely pointless semantics. His movie will be ignoring 3 and 4. He just wants the world to know that's not what he set out to do, but that is what he's doing.
 
when the fuck did Hicks get acid in his face? in his chest armor sure which they removed. Unless this is something that happens in 5, in which case...spoiler I guess
 
They better stick some exposition in this movie that offers some explanation about why 3 and 4 are being ignored, other than completely retconned. A Hicks clone and another Ripley clone without powers, with an amazing original oscar caliber explanation as to why they exist, or when ripley was pregnant with the chest burster in alien 3, she hallucinated alien resurrection, or just a full on dream sequence. They better offer some type of explanation, no matter how cockamamie it is!
 
Hicks looks cool but how the hell did he survive Alien 3?

According to that site, that body of Hicks in Alien 3 wasn't actually his. He was actually detained by Weyland Yutani. This will work whether or not Alien 3 is considered as part of the story for this new film or not.

But that make up was too much. He didn't get sprayed much in Aliens. Definitely not half of his face.
 
My predictions: Hicks was kidnapped off the Sulaco and frozen because they thought he might have a xenomorph inside him, which is how he survived alien 3, and sharlto copley will play a weyland yutani douchebag or an evil synthetic. Also, Winona Ryder will be announced for the cast.
 
I'm hugely skeptical about this - it will look great no doubt but I don't think there's a need to ignore Alien 3, which I really enjoy. It's a fitting end to a bleak, intense series and I am worried about the direction he's going to take this. We'll see...
 
Hicks didn't even get sprayed with that much acid. if anything he should look like this:

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but really you would think at that point in the future they would be able to heal such minor scaring pretty easily

what the fuck is Blomkamp doing to Cameron's masterpiece?
 
They better stick some exposition in this movie that offers some explanation about why 3 and 4 are being ignored, other than completely retconned. A Hicks clone and another Ripley clone without powers, with an amazing original oscar caliber explanation as to why they exist, or when ripley was pregnant with the chest burster in alien 3, she hallucinated alien resurrection, or just a full on dream sequence. They better offer some type of explanation, no matter how cockamamie it is!

I would argue that something like that would actually hurt Alien 3 and Resurrection more than simply ignoring them. Alien 3 would lose all of its impact if it was about clones or was a dream sequence (and dreams can't be that lucid and linear anyway). It would also involve needlessly complicated retconning in the new film that would get in the way of the story it's trying to tell - why bother? Just think of Alien 3/4 as taking place in an alternate timeline.
 
Hicks didn't even get sprayed with that much acid. if anything he should look like this:

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but really you would think at that point in the future they would be able to heal such minor scaring pretty easily

what the fuck is Blomkamp doing to Cameron's masterpiece?

Why should they be able to heal everything?
Why does everything in the future have to be some kind of Star Drek utopian crap where everything is fixable?
It is boring.
It may be fixable for the rich, not for the grunts and the common people.

you are absolutely right, my bad. still seems a bit exteme

The acid has been shown to eat through the floors of a ship. I would say it was pretty mild.
 
Yup just saw this as well. This means the only possible way this film exists is to totally ignore Alien 3 & Resurrection...thank jeebus.

A direct proper sequel to Aliens...my dreams have come true.

hicks is back now neil can't fail on this one
 
Im waiting for Sculibundo to weigh in on the Hicks scaring debate for the definitive opinion

Whilst the ending of Aliens has Hicks' head bandaged pretty well...
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...I think that's more for practical reasons. Plus you can see a good portion of his right side is fine.


In fact, here we can see a good portion of his right side is fine.
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Dude got minor splash to the face, and unlike the floor of the Nostromo or the floor of Hadley's Hope station, the acid eating Hicks' face isn't being benefited by gravity. Sure it'll eat through some fleshy layers, but unless the dude took a nap right after being splashed, he's keeping his head.
 
Drake did have his face melted if you freeze frame but I have no idea why the same injury is being applied to Hicks when on film the primary damage is to his chest.
 
Alien 5 won't tread on toes of Prometheus 2
Empire Magazine said:
"I changed the one thing [Ridley Scott] felt was bumping Prometheus a little bit", Blomkamp confirmed.

I'm particularly interested in the Prometheus sequel, and have been concerned by its seeming lack of momentum, so Ridley Scott actively protecting the story of P2 and not yielding to the undeniably larger Alien series (as he produces it) is encouraging. It bodes well for "Paradise" not becoming irrelevant and lost with the pre-production of more Alien happening. Or maybe I'm grasping with this bit of news.

Anyway, Blomkamp's Alien feels more tangible than P2 right now and I hope that Scott's requested change hasn't negatively impacted its potential.
 
You can say the same thing about The Force Awakens

No, you couldn't. The comparison fails since it's a continuation of the Return of the Jedi story, not a "what-if" that JJ Abrams got to make because he pitched a studio on the cool idea he had for how "it should have gone."

Not only did Disney seek out Abrams, but Abrams was building off an outline provided by Michael Arndt, based on notes from Lucas. Now, that stuff has changed significantly, to the point where Lucas mentioned in a junket that "it's not my story" (however people are saying that it's very likely he just said it to get people to stop asking him about Star Wars) but you can at least draw a straight line from the origins of the story to Abrams' contributions coming out of that. You can't do that with this. This is Blomkamp starting from "I wanna make an Alien movie" and proceeding to "I wanna make the Alien 3 the way I think it should have been made, as a fan" and then taking that to the studio.

If Abrams was saying "I wanna make the Return of the Jedi I always wanted to make, the sequel that's spiritually more in line with Empire Strikes Back," and then Disney was like "sure, go for it" then it'd be comparable.

Anyway - what would have possibly "bumped against" Prometheus 2 in this fan film?
 
Alien 5 won't tread on toes of Prometheus 2


I'm particularly interested in the Prometheus sequel, and have been concerned by its seeming lack of momentum, so Ridley Scott actively protecting the story of P2 and not yielding to the undeniably larger Alien series (as he produces it) is encouraging. It bodes well for "Paradise" not becoming irrelevant and lost with the pre-production of more Alien happening. Or maybe I'm grasping with this bit of news.

Anyway, Blomkamp's Alien feels more tangible than P2 right now and I hope that Scott's requested change hasn't negatively impacted its potential.

in relation to this (mini rant, but happened to be on a new page, so the context was missing):

Prometheus isn't canon, it will never be canon, and I will fight anyone who wants to claim that the benevolent Space Jockey (because a Heinlein reference in a movie about space is just that much better) is really just a humanoid (it was man, before man!) with a dying passion for EEEEEEVIIIIL.

it's basically a walking cliché of clichés. It should be ignored completely.
 
I really do think a lot of people are sorta knee-jerk reacting to the concept or the idea of someone "fixing" Alien 3 more than they are actually looking at HOW this might possibly be "fixed." It sounds like a good thing until you start to consider that this "good thing" features a 65 year old Sigourney Weaver and a 58 year old Michael Biehn leading an action movie written and directed by the guy who just made Elysium and Chappie.
 
Wow. I just saw this now for the first time. I'm in the minority that actually likes Alien 3. Yeah, it was dumb with how everyone died at first, but it was still a good film. I guess I'm okay with this, if it turns out to be good.

I wish Sony would have done this and made a sequel to Spider-Man 2 that ignored SM3, rather than rebooting it.
 
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