I thought the story was that Lloyd was talking about Hernandez killing those other two people. It has been awhile since I read that so I don't remember if that was the case or not.
Aaron Hernandez Found Guilty of First Degree Murder
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CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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I thought it was a combination of AH feeling slighted by Lloyd while at the bar as well as the fact that Lloyd was aware of AH's supposed murders and was killed in order to not reveal anything. Not really sure, either way.
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Motive seems to be he was "bugging" because he told Odin Lloyd about his "spot"
Today in review: Trial Day 40
Robert Racette; IT tech from the Bristol County DA's Office:
Racette resumes the stand. We go over the dvr and how he transferred all video during the case. He's now confirming times on AH's surveillance system. Racette explaining freeze-frame issues in surveillance video that defense has pointed out. In addition to explaining video, I.T. director is showing jurors how to play the video when they're in the jury room. Racette testifies to legitimacy of various screenshots of video. Including this one with AH & alleged gun.
Direct exam is done. Charles Rankin will cross-examine Racette.
IT expert says he got a clones copy of DVR hard drive - but he's says that's standard. Rankin saying Racette never compared clones of hard drives he got with original hard drive/DVR from AH house. IT expert says he never examined original hard disk drive from AH surveillance system.
Racette says he never noticed any discrepancies in copies of hard drives from AH home surveillance system. Racette didn't analyze the original hard-drive, just the copies, "for fear of corrupting evidence. IT expert explains how he compiled video, despite freezes. Rankin notes no1 testified to that. Trying to show it was sloppy.
Witness acknowledges copy of the video he played in court - isn't exactly the same type of video file from the original DVR. Racette says he went through part of video footage for 300 hours, frame by frame, to make sure nothing dropped.
Rankin suggesting state could alter video w/o naked eye being able to tell. "You could re-position body parts" "That's true".
Re-Direct:
Griffin asks firmly: "Have you manipulated or changed the images in any way...?" IT expert: No
Re-Cross:
On re-cross, IT expert says he altered CERTAIN images, but says they never used for this case. Says its not rare to redact portions.
Dr. William Zane; state medical examiner:
Dr. Zane is a forensic pathologist, makes determinations of cause of death. Zane has done between 7,000 and 8,000 autopsies during his career. Zane conducted the Lloyd autopsy on June 18, 2013 at the Medical Examiner's Cape Cod office. Zane: Odin Lloyd was 27, 6 ft tall, 207 lbs. Medical examiner says Lloyd had "injuries caused by firearms."
Zane describes the difference between entrance and exit wounds. Medical examiner says exit wounds do not cause tissue loss. That's how he can tell the difference. Medical examiner says a police official typically takes photos of trauma - he creates a report. Lloyd had gunshot wound on right side of chest, 17 inches below head.
Zane going wound by wound on Lloyd's body he found during autopsy. Medical examiner points to location of first entrance room he observed on victims body.
Zane assigned roman numerals to gunshot wounds. Zane says he observed a gunshot wound in the right abdomen. 24' inches from top of head. Medical Examiner says the 4th gunshot wound to collar bone and 5th to right upper back. Zane notes a 6th gunshot wound on Lloyd's body; exterior of right forearm. 5 entrance wounds; Gun shot wound on clavicle undetermined. Zane describing paths the bullets took through Lloyd's body.
One bullet grazed the heart. There was blood in sac around heart, did not allow heart to expand, pump blood to brain, body. The gunshot wound to the right chest was not immediately fatal. Gunshot wound to Lloyd's left chest area 'would be rapidly fatal,' seconds to minutes. McCauely asks Zane to describe what happens to body when person dies; initial stage of decomposition, rigor mortis. Zane describes science of rigor mortis, when body stiffens after death. Rigor - immediately after death but not noticeable until in larger muscle groups. Then it decreases as muscle breaks down.
Zane is now describing the pain Lloyd may have felt. He indicates were all the nerves are. Fractured ribs/bones could pinch nerves, causing pain/discomfort. We're now looking at the shirtless body of Odin Lloyd. We can see the two chest wounds - one in clavicle area. Now seeing photo of gunshot wounds to Odin Lloyd's back with three wounds.
McCauley asking if any of other gunshot wounds fatal Zane: abdomen gunshot wound would have been 'rapidly fatal,' seconds to minutes. Of the six gunshot wounds Lloyd sustained, three would have been rapidly fatal. Cause of death could have been bleeding into chest/abdomen/sac around heart, cardiac arrhythmia. Official cause of death: injuries to lungs, heart, liver and kidney, from gunshot wounds to torso.
Now the witness will use the mannequin - he will place numbered stickers on it to show gunshot wounds. Zane using pointer to show path of bullets thorough Lloyd's body.
Cross Exam:
Sultan: "Your autopsy can't tell us anything about who caused those injuries, right?" Dr. Zane: "Correct."
Sultan: Can you tell us, with certainty, that there were six different bullets? Zane: No.
Sultan: Nothing to indicate in autopsy report none of that blood was clotted, correct? Zane: Correct
Sultan: Does an individual suffer conscious pain when he or she is unconscious or dead? Zane: No/No
Lloyd's body was brought from Boston to the Cape for the autopsy because it was a Bristol County case. Zane: It was a 'Cape Cod case,' so a Cape Cod doctor (Bristol County covered by ME office on the Cape).
Sultan points out Zane's autopsy report filed Jan '14. Sultan asks if that's normal to have 6 month delay. Zane says yes
End of Testimony
The state has rested its case.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Thanks, Odinson. What's your opinion? Does the prosecution have a strong case?
Motive seems to be that Odin knew something / he was talking to people that Aaron didn't care for. He had a hard time trusting people as told to us by Alexander Bradley who he shot in the face allegedly. When he and Odin were at Rumor nightclub Odin was talking with friends that he met there. Aaron didn't seem to like that and gave Odin a lot of attitude as they left the club that night. When Odin walked up to him afterwards he told him "go talk to them" and pointed to over where his friends were. The "spot" seems to refer to the rented apartment. Although it hasn't been clarified why this would be a big deal.
The evidence against him although all circumstantial, there's a ton of it. They don't have to prove that AH shot Lloyd, just that he knew what was going on. Him being the driver, disconnecting the surveillance in the basement that night, same shells found in the rental car under the drivers seat, and lying to his boss about where he was that night all contribute to him looking like he's hiding something. Shayanna's testimony although not that helpful shined a light on things as well. Getting rid of the box that may or may not have contained the murder weapon and drugs. Taking money to E. Wallace the night Aaron was at the police station all stack up against him. I think they have a strong case. The video evidence alone gives insight into that night and what went down. If we didn't have that I'd say it would be really hard to convict him of anything. I'm not sure if it's enough to sway the jury, especially without the murder weapon, but they can't deny his connection.
Junior Asparagus
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For those interested in the case, I've also been following a thread on Sons of Sam Horn (Boston sports forum) about this case, where an experienced attorney is giving his running commentary on each day's events as well, including analysis on stuff like strategy. Both this thread and that one have been really good to follow along with.
Ninja Scooter
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DOn't they have to prove that he was the trigger man though?
MisterR
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Nope. Just that he was there and was aware what was going on.
He still has a double murder trial after this one is done. I believe it's scheduled for June.
Exactly. Just have to show that he was a willing participant and whether he pulled the trigger or not isn't relevant.
Today in review: Trial Day 41
The defense starts there witness testimony today. First up is Dr. Greenblatt. He will first have voir dire (not in front of jury) Greenblatt would testify on effects of PCP on the human brain/behavior.
Closing arguments will begin tomorrow. Each side will have 90 minutes for their respective arguments.
The defense starts there witness testimony today. First up is Dr. Greenblatt. He will first have voir dire (not in front of jury) Greenblatt would testify on effects of PCP on the human brain/behavior.
The judge had rejected the prosecutions denial request and the doctor will be allowed to testify.
Dr. Greenblatt, PCP expert:
Rankin asks Greenblatt to recite his educational and professional credentials. Greenblatt is a medical doctor and works at Tufts University. Asked by Rankin, Greenblatt says he is certified by American Board of Clinical Pharmacology. Greenblatt has written 80 articles and authored 8 or 9 books.
Greenblatt says defense contacted him in Fall '14, to form opinion on effects PCP on humans. Greenblatt says he knows of the angel dust street name of PCP. Greenblatt now telling jury about one-time legitimate use of PCP as anesthetic, until made illegal in mid-1960s. Greenblatt: my opinion is PCP ingestion can cause psychosis. "Active hallucinations...in some cases...violent or aggressive behavior." PCP causes reaction essentially similar to schizophrenia. PCP psychosis side effects can appear and disappear quickly. Can last for months and can appear and disappear quickly and unpredictably. Greenblatt says the use of PCP can cause violent behavior.
Cross Exam:
Greenblatt says you can't determine a PCP user just by watching behavior. Have you diagnosed anyone in this case with using PCP? Greenblatt No
Bomberg asking Greenblatt if he's had direct contact with someone on PCP psychosis. Greenblatt says he might have as ER doc in the 70s. Greenblatt doesn't think professional athletes should be tested without cause.
Greenblatt doesn't recall contents of '74 article he wrote. Bomberg saying he didn't mention PCP in that article. Greenblatt "can't recall" if he's ever written an article about effects of PCP on behavior. Bomberg says Greenblatt flew out to LA to testify in a case & relied on drug company research. Greenblatt doesn't recall.
Bomberg: None of these awards you've gotten have anything to do w/PCP, right? Greenblatt: That's right.
Greenblatt says he hasn't had opportunity to go through his articles. Bomberg hammering home that the doctor has never even written an article about PCP. Although he says he can't say for sure.
Bomberg: what would cause someone to leave a club and grab a firearm? Defense: Objection Garsh: Sustained
Bomberg now comparing PCP 2 alcohol. Says that when violence happens through alcohol, it is often because of lowered inhibitions.
Bomberg: Opinion on marijuana, in context of violence? Greenblatt: don't know evidence marijuana causes violent behavior. Bomberg asked Greenblatt questions about alcohol. Reminder: evidence indicates AH smoked pot, and was 'intoxicated' the night of the murder.
Bomberg cites '88 Greenblatt article, suggests he said no PCP-violence link Greenblatt: "You should read the rest of it.."
Looking again at surveillance video of Wallace & Ortiz arriving at AH house night of murder. Video shows Wallace changing his shirt, Ortiz walking around the driveway.
Doctor: "I can't tell if they are or if they're not" (exhibiting PCP symptoms). Bomberg: Is it fair to say you can't tell anything about PCP? Greenblatt: I didn't say that.
"Would you agree with me PCP violence is rare?" Witness" "No, we can't tell the prevalence."Greenblat: Someone on PCP can harm themselves and others.
Greenblatt: people on PCP 'may or may not be controllable. Bomberg asking Greenblatt to say someone on PCP would be uncontrollable when committing violence. Greenblatt disagrees.
State shows doctor pictures of Altima - says he can't tell if there's any damage to it. Bomberg: would you turn your back on someone who just committed PCP-induced murder? Defense: objection Garsh: sustained
Eric Carita; a private forensic consultant:
Carita previously worked for Connecticut Dept Public Safety, forensics lab, DNA testing. Carita is describing how he does his job as a forensics examiner. Defense attorney James Sultan is on direct. DNA/forensics expert for hire. Can testify for defense, prosecution, and any other groups. Carita says he has testified about 95% for the prosecution, 5% for the defense. Here, retained by defense. January 13, 2015 - 16 days before trial began - Carita met with forensic scientists, mass state police at crime scene lab.
Carita used personal protective equipment - face mask, gloves, for DNA testing purposes. 1/13/15 Carita performed testing on swab taken from blue bubble gum found attached to a shell casing in dumpster. Carita used sterilized cotton swabs, tweezers to analyze DNA on the gum.
Cross Exam:
Bomberg has Carita's Linked In account info, reading it in courtroom. While at CT lab, Bomberg says Carita was moonlighting as private DNA/forensics consultant, something not allowed in MA. Carita says he received some discovery materials, not all that he requested from defense team.
Bomberg: Sultan viewed gum in late 2014 not using protective equipment, used non sterile pen, put gum non-sterile surface.
Bomberg pointing out problems CT lab had in 2011 audit that Carita previously worked for. Bomberg - did you tell Sultan your lab failed to pass audit in 2011? Witness No
Bomberg shows Carita AH's receipt for blue Bubble Yum on morning of murder.
Sultan on redirect:
Sultan notes in Connecticut, state crime lab employees allowed to work privately as consultants while Carita worked there. Sultan: Caritas was retained in this case for DNA swabbing, didn't need police reports to do that. Sultan discussing prosecution accusations that he mishandled the gum. Sultan: Carita was not present when Sultan inspected the evidence, but state troopers were there.
Bomberg on recross:
On recross, Caritas says he did receive police reports on DNA handling and on MA forensic lab. Apologizes, stating he was misinterpreting the question.
Jennifer Smith; DNA Anylast:
From Texas. 99 percent of cases where she's testified in have been criminal cases, has testified for prosecution & defense. Smith tested the gum swab provided by previous defense witness Carita. Witness says AH's DNA was on the gum. Defense claims that's how it got on shell casing found in dumpster.
Smith: received AH DNA report from MA state police crime lab. Her supervisor assigned her to conduct testing, not attorneys. 1/14/15, witness's DNA forensics testing firm in Texas received FedEx package from Carita in CT. The FedEx package contanined 2 swabs from Carita off the gum. Witness Smith now talking about steps she undertook to perform DNA testing on swabs Carita sent from CT.
Sultan: Is there DNA on all the evidence you test? Smith: No
Smith says there was a single male donor for the DNA on the gum swab.
Looking at paperwork of Smith's testing on the DNA sample.
Smith: There was a mix of DNA profiles on the gum. The major donor on the swab of the gum matched the DNA profile of Mr. Hernandez, defense witness says. Smith: 1 in 428 quintillion chance in black population that someone other than AH could have provided DNA sample on gum. Smith also saying other ethic demographic groups have low probabilities of anyone besides AH being sole of DNA on gum. Sultan: Can DNA transfer from one surface to another? Smith: Yes it can
Sultan shows pic of chewed bubble gum affixed to shell casing, asks Smith to explain probability of DNA transfer to casing. Smith says its 'extremely likely' DNA could have transferred from gum to casing given a lot of saliva in gum.
Pat Bomberg cross-examining Smith:
Pat Bomberg ends cross exam with question about other DNA traces on gum; Smith says non-sterile pen could account for them.
No further questions
Sidebar takes place. The two sides have agreed to stipulation. They agree blood taken from Lloyd tested positive for marijuana.
The Defense rest.
Rebuttal Witness:
Martin Brecher, a psychiatrist:
In '88, Brecher wrote at time assumption that PCP induced/promoted violence, but our review found that assumption false. Brecher: "Very few cases of violence" solely because of PCP.
(The witness is only allowed to testify to rebut defense witness. Won't let speak about no correlation between PCP & violence.)
Cross Exam:
Criteria only include when drug test is + for PCP and nothing else (even alcohol), and violence to others. Rankin pressing witness to concede paranoia, 'acute symptoms' of brain syndrome associated with PCP use. Defense gets Brecher to admit his article said PCP is a highly dangerous drug of abuse.
Re-Direct:
On re-direct, witness says Rankin left out parts of his article on cross exam. Bomberg: He's now bringing up all the sentences Rankin left out.
Closing arguments will begin tomorrow. Each side will have 90 minutes for their respective arguments.
timetokill
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I'm almost hoping the prosecution's entire closing argument is: "C'mon, people. C'mon."
MisterR
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That's basicially all it should have to be. It's so obvious he's guilty. At the same time, with juries, you just never know.
Officerrob
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Right...
Enjoy prison Aaron
Defense Closing Argument
State Closing Arguments
Closing arguments are done and the Judge is about to give the jury their instructions.
State Closing Arguments
Closing arguments are done and the Judge is about to give the jury their instructions.
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wait, his defense admitted that he saw the murder? what the hell did they have to gain from that? dude is toast, i can't understand the logic behind that.
Infernostew
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Since he witnessed the murder, he can now bring the real killer to justice!
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I think that they finally convinced Aaron that there was no way he was going to get off so this is the only thing they had left. He's fucked.
MisterR
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They have mountains of evidence he was there. This was their only hope. Blame itin the other guys
Ninja Scooter
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isn't this the same reason people give for why OJ got off, that the prosecution had mountains of evidence that he was at the scene, but no murder weapon and no evidence that he technically did it? I guess it might be enough to plant a seed of doubt or two.
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Yeah but they have Aaron at the murder. They didn't have even that with oj
They had blood evidence that he, or someone related to him, was at the scene. Some theorize it was OJ's son that did it. Even OJ's attorney's after the trial have gone on record to say they could not believe they beat the blood evidence.
MisterR
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In the OJ case the defense was basically able to convince the jury that OJ was framed by the LAPD. You have to remember too that DNA evidence was very new and not well understood by laymen at that time.
themadcowtipper
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Can't wait for the 30 for 30.
Furman and the glove were pretty big.
It also didn't help that they tried to pin the entire crime on OJ when it was clearly a 2 man job.
I doubt they'll make the same mistake here.
Yeah the whole thing was a circus. There's really no use comparing this case with that spectacle.
BobTheFork
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So how does this work now? Were they ever charging him as an accessory to the murder? If he beats the murder rap, could they still charge him for being there and no saying anything....possibly helping denying information or hiding it?
Ninja Scooter
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Worked for Ray Lewis.
He will either get first degree / second degree he is not charged with accessory after the fact. Also the judged ruled that he can not be charged for not saying anything.
xDUMPWEEDx
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This case could go either way I think. You never really know what a jury was thinking. I was almost positive George Zimmerman was going to get convicted, but ended up getting acquitted instead.
Does anyone know how much of a case/evidence is supposedly against him in his next murder trial if he gets off of this one?
Does anyone know how much of a case/evidence is supposedly against him in his next murder trial if he gets off of this one?
TheBaldEmperor
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What if I told you a patriot could be a scumbag piece of shit?
MisterR
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They don't even have to prove he pulled the trigger. Just involved.
Aaron Hernandez maintains his swagger in court
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/aaron-hernandez-in-court/index.html
Thanks for the summaries, Odinson.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/aaron-hernandez-in-court/index.html
Thanks for the summaries, Odinson.
BobTheFork
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Really? How can you not be charged with failing to report being at a murder? At the very least, he is NOW able to easily tell police who shot him.
I thought Ray was only charger with accessory and never actual murder. I could easily be wrong.
timetokill
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Nope, deliberated for over 8 hours, will resume tomorrow.
TangoAlphaLima
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Opening statements were on January 29th. A good rule of thumb is one hour of deliberations for every day the trial went on. So the jury's just doing their due diligence if they don't come to a conclusion before the end of the week.
ActStriker
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Which idiot news organization was tailing the jurors?
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