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Kamina said:
How are you supposed to beat
Wet Nurse
solo? The second phase is so hard because
she keeps on showing up with her thousand swords out of nowhere and gang-rapes you with her clone.
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I found staying right behind the main body and occasionally dodging the shadow clones to be an effective strategy.
 
KZObsessed said:
People keep missing the obvious benefits of Blood Vials when talking about the negatives. With Estus Flasks if you used a few during the level you're at a disadvantage when you get to the boss and only have a few left whereas with Bloodborne if you use a few during the level most likely you'll still have 20 before the boss due to the really generous drop rate of Blood Vials. It's also satisfying when enemies drop them when you're at full health because it just adds to your total stock for when you need them. All it requires is a bit of resource manaagement, spend any spare Blood Echoes after levelling up to buy some vials. I have 99 vials in storage and only ran out once when I got stuck at an optional boss due to being underlevelled. Since then never had an issue.

The Blood Vial mechanic also makes the regaining health through attacking more important as you can avoid having to use one of your resources. If your Blood Vials just respawned you'd just use one and not take the risk. The Blood Vial mechanic has clearly been thought through, which is why they've restricted the amount you can carry unlike in Demon's Souls, and it's definitely the right decision for the game alongside the regaining health through attacking as they compliment each ofther well. But I guess people just miss their regenerating health. You can prefer the Estus Flas system that's fine, personally I prefer Blood Vials, but just because you do doesn't make a different mechanic "bad game design" that's just showing your ignorance. It's clearly been thought through and makes sense with the other design decisions.
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This is my last post on the subject because I think its gone on too long. But you put together a really well thought out post so I didn't want it to go unnoticed.


1.) Blood vials are concentrated mostly in a few areas. Mostly toward the beginning of the game. There are sections of the game where blood vials are sparse or non-existent. still they are bountiful and easy to get, just tedious. Requiring a trek to earlier areas to stock up or to HD to buy some more. The plentifulness goes contradictory to the notion that it entices players to play more resourceful. If something is in abundance it diminishes risk aversion due to running out. As you yourself say it is never really an issue having them or getting them.

2.)Estus flasks would likely actually increase the reliability of the regeneration mechanic because you can't get more from enemies. What you have is what you have. I also think what you are saying is a way the estus flask system keeps the challenge going. As you say it isn't replinishable til a bonfire or boss defeat. With Vials, especially in an area with lots of vial drops, you can just spam vials and get them back. So there is actually a decrease in the risk of areas. Making the trip in-between lamps and finding bosses and shortcuts easier. Resource worry only comes in in areas where they are light on vials. Even then the plentifulness diminishes the effect. Outside of the beginning of the game I don't remember really even dying once from an enemy in areas with lots of human enemies or beasts that drop vials regularly. Because you can take damage, use 1-2 vials, kill the guys and then get 1-3 more.

3.) No one is saying that it is completely broken. It has some merit, some strengths to it. I wouldn't for instance scoff if they used it in every game going forward. After all the game is still an all time great for me. I love it. But to me the system is flawed. And where it is flawed many who are criticizing it clearly don't think the pros make up for it. You make some good points but ultimately the cons of the tediousness outweigh the pros for me.
 
S
hadow
of Y
harnham
down at second attempt.

That second phase, holy shit at the range of some of the attacks! Caught me completely off guard first try
 
Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen
down. That was really cool fight actually and had interesting gimmick. Now only ending trophies and weapon trophy left.
 
FUCK YESSSSSS!
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What a game! Hats off! Loved every second of it and still doesn't have enough. Masterpiece!
Below link to my victory over Pthumerian Queen. Literally a platinum enemy :)
Victory over Pthumerian Queen
 
Beelzebufo said:
So your argument is that the vial system is good because it rewards you for wasting time farming vials and souls, and punishes you for just trying to beat bosses over and over? It's bad game design. Your second point then counteracts your first one, since a greater emphasis on regaining health through attacking would exist if you reduced the number of available blood vials to Estus-levels :p

Compared to the Estus system the blood vials do two things:
  • Place reliance on the amount of consumables you have rather than your own skill during boss battles (since you can carry so many vials if you put in the time)
  • When the player actually faces a difficult fight or area, they have to backtrack and engage in tedious busywork.
It's a solid lose-lose situation. It makes the game easier in all the ways you don't want, but also makes it more difficult in the worst possible way (grinding for vials). It's not like this should ruin the game for anybody, but let's not pretend its not a huge step back after Dark Souls.
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Yeah, I got the same thing. He just mentioned why Estus management was so good/important. You took a big blow if you had to use a few before a boss--disregarding the mechanical differences such as the much longer animation since that wouldn't really work here.

Meanwhile, in BB you could, if you want, rush to a boss and have a stockpile of these to chug and play pretty sloppy. If you run out, you can easily farm them again(made 10x more annoying than it would otherwise be if you could just sit at a lantern to respawn enemies, but still easy). But alternatively, if you get legitimately stuck on something and run low it's disheartening knowing you need to get more again. And at that point, it's far better to farm them instead of buy them as a few levels can help people out more than the vials, and you get them easy enough to make buying them feel bad. Unless you're on NG+ and swimming in souls as it then becomes nothing to max them out.
 
Dmonzy said:
You definitely need to kill two without cheating.
Father to get to grand cathedral and Vicar Amelia to get the password to the forbidden forest. From there you can grab the summons in the clinic and run to the area in hemwick where the pillar is. If it's NG+ though you already have the password.
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I glitched the Summons and did the jump thing, I killed killed father, BsB, and Vicar. I guess my save file got busted. I wanted the Chikage as fast as possible to stay a low lvl. I should of just done it the normal way, its probably the same time length doing non glitch way, now the tomb is glitched and doesnt work.
 
Kamina said:
How are you supposed to beat
Wet Nurse
solo? The second phase is so hard because
she keeps on showing up with her thousand swords out of nowhere and gang-rapes you with her clone.
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I gotta admit that boss is easy, never loss to her even on NG+ or NG++.
 
Incitio said:
Most of them have 3 bosses/layers, some 4.

You can remove it, but don't have to. It depends if you plan to return if you left something unexplored.
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Zafir said:
Not all have four layers. Three is the norm. Lower Pthu has four layers from what I remember.

You can use the other alters.

Root ones are the random variations, the one you get after the final boss is the next depth of that line of dungeons.
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zewone said:
There's only 3 layers for each dungeon from what I've seen.

You likely need the Loran Bastard item which you need to get from the Ailing Loran dungeon.
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Thanks for all the responses. I understand now!
 
Kamina said:
How are you supposed to beat
Wet Nurse
solo? The second phase is so hard because
she keeps on showing up with her thousand swords out of nowhere and gang-rapes you with her clone.
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I just ran in circles till the "phase" was over lol
 
Anyways, I'm over the vial thing. Any suggestions which boss I should do next without using vials? I've done
Defiled Watchdog
and
Abhorrent Beast
. I like doing this, it's pretty fun.
 
Beelzebufo said:
So your argument is that the vial system is good because it rewards you for wasting time farming vials and souls, and punishes you for just trying to beat bosses over and over? It's bad game design. Your second point then counteracts your first one, since a greater emphasis on regaining health through attacking would exist if you reduced the number of available blood vials to Estus-levels :p

Compared to the Estus system the blood vials do two things:
  • Place reliance on the amount of consumables you have rather than your own skill during boss battles (since you can carry so many vials if you put in the time)
  • When the player actually faces a difficult fight or area, they have to backtrack and engage in tedious busywork.
It's a solid lose-lose situation. It makes the game easier in all the ways you don't want, but also makes it more difficult in the worst possible way (grinding for vials). It's not like this should ruin the game for anybody, but let's not pretend its not a huge step back after Dark Souls.



It's not a second phase lol. Just do it.
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Much more concise version of what I was trying to say. Good post.
 
esmith08734 said:
Was
Micolash
suppose to be the easiest boss in the game?
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There is one optional that is a bit easier. In terms of main game bosses though, he is the easiest. Honestly thought it was a joke fight, atmosphere and the music playing was amazing, but my goodness that fight was lame.
 
I'd settle with 10 Blood vials, but only restock at lamps. Actually the bonfire mechanic was great, you could restock but in doing so you would reset all enemies. I also loved the hub from DeS though. A mixture of both would've been ideal.
 
PoweredByHentai said:
I found staying right behind the main body and occasionally dodging the shadow clones to be an effective strategy.
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I actually found during the shadow phase running the perimiter is an effective strategy. I just ran a circle around the perimeter, the shadow forms spawn out there and you can hit them before they start their move.I did not get hit once during shadow phase and it was pretty lows stress, it did not take long at all, I might have spent 30 seconds running the outside.
 
ZangBa said:
Anyways, I'm over the vial thing. Any suggestions which boss I should do next without using vials? I've done
Defiled Watchdog
and
Abhorrent Beast
. I like doing this, it's pretty fun.
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Chalice Dungeon Rom. Don't kill the adds. There's your challenge. Also, be sure to close your game properly so that you don't run into the memory leak glitch.
 
PoweredByHentai said:
Chalice Dungeon Rom. Don't kill the adds. There's your challenge. Also, be sure to close your game properly so that you don't run into the memory leak glitch.
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Which dungeon is that in again? I don't use rest mode or play the game more than a couple hours at a time so it will be ok.
 
Kamina said:
How are you supposed to beat
Wet Nurse
solo? The second phase is so hard because
she keeps on showing up with her thousand swords out of nowhere and gang-rapes you with her clone.
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One of the easiest bosses in the game.

Because she barely has anything with range and she doesn't really avoid or counter hits.

What I did was sitting out her clone phase by just walking away from it. For the rest I pretty much used one tactic; wait for her strikes to finish, get in and hit her once or twice and back out. You'll get to know her few attacks soon enough, enabling you to get in sooner.

Thats really all there is to it. She doesn't do anything from outside her swing range. It does take some time but you could beat her without needing to heal.
 
i only ran out of blood vials for the harder chalice bosses.

people complaining: did you try upping your discovery rate? i haven't initially. but i saw the benefits after obtaining a rune. if you up your disc. (was it arcane?) you will see a difference.
 
Papercuts said:
If ANYONE died to that boss it's all gonna to be to that move. Such a crappy fight.
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Yeah, I equipped all magic defensive armor and rune but he still one shot me, just because i wasnt fast enough to fire and interrupt him; or i had just interrupted him and he tried it again raight away.
 
Papercuts said:
If ANYONE died to that boss it's all gonna to be to that move. Such a crappy fight.
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Or the dwarves going up the stairs lol.

I agree with what everyone's saying, but I think he might be my favorite boss and he's definitely the best part about that area. He's just so cool, and so is where you fight him.

"Grant us eyes..."
 
He never does that AoE if you keep slightly within range it seems. When I backed away further he did it all the time.

You can shoot him out of it, or just rush in and combo.
 
SkylineRKR said:
One of the easiest bosses in the game.

Because she barely has anything with range and she doesn't really avoid or counter hits.

What I did was sitting out her clone phase by just walking away from it. For the rest I pretty much used one tactic; wait for her strikes to finish, get in and hit her once or twice and back out. You'll get to know her few attacks soon enough, enabling you to get in sooner.

Thats really all there is to it. She doesn't do anything from outside her swing range.
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Well I did find her easy unti she had a clone. I wasn't aware that the phase would end if i waited long enough.
After having her below 1/4 of her health i thought i could kill her by riunning by her repeatedly, but they cornered me to the wall with their arms.
Good to know now that I dont need to bother but just wait it out.
 
Holy shit. Having the Blades of Mercy with E
ileen's Crow
Set makes me look like a bad ass. Why haven't we made a screenshot thread for BB yet?
 
Frenzy is the worst and dumbest fucking status ailment I've ever seen in a game. Any game. None of the gear is all that effective in preventing it, sedatives are expensive, and even if you do pop one off, the frenzy bar immediately starts charging again.

Why not just get to the point and call it "you lose."
 
ALRIGHT. Done with the story (
except Gehrman
), now I need to collect the missing weapons and get my endings and I'll have my shiny new platinum.
 
Just spent the last two hours helping newcomers with VA. Gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. I lost a few but kept going back so I could get the same guys past her. Today's good deeds done.
 
I spend WAY too much time waving at NPCs and that Amygdala outside the church. It adds nothing to the game and there's no reason for it, but I just find some comfort in politely waving at eldritch abominations.
 
Do the Uncanny weapons etc. from the Chalices count towards the weapons achievement?
Eileen
never appeared in my playthrough, so I'll have to find it in the dungeons.
 
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