Good thing you said "no offense". Wouldn't want the poster to take it the wrong way...
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"Eat, Sleep, Rape, Repeat" and public displays of prejudice
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Good thing you said "no offense". Wouldn't want the poster to take it the wrong way...
It is a theory, as stated in the wiki page the poster linked to.
All theories should be treated with a degree of scepticism, I don't agree with the theory, this does not mean I condone rape or fail to recognise there is much to be done in the punishment of those that commit such horrid acts.
Just because there is a high incident of a particular action does not mean there is a culture developed around it.
Squirrel Killer
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I hope you're joking, because I am so tired of this constant bloodlust calling for people to be fired. Joe Paterno, sure. Justine Sacco, I understand. The woman who dressed as a Boston Marathon bombing victim for Holloween, maybe. Michael Slager, abso-fucking-lutely.
But this guy? That guy that bitched out a Chick-Fil-A drive-through cashier? The teacher fired over a pro-vegan Facebook post? Calling for people to be fired for things not related to their job is mean-spirited at best.
This is a misunderstanding, which bogs down so much discussion about rape.
Obviously, the culture of the United States does not at all encourage any violent crime, but it facilitates it. Our culture often views rape as something inevitable that women ought to avoid. While individual rapists are seen as monsters, it can be surprisingly difficult to convict them,
Yeah. He's obviously a douche, but at least he lets you know?
Silver lining anyway.
Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand what you mean and am trying to suppress the kneejerk negativity surrounding the merit of your statement.
DrGonzo615
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Huh? Because in many rape cases there is little to no hard evidence for such. Its not that the system is biased against victims, its because its the duty of the prosecution to prove without a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty of whatever crime they are being charged with. That combined with most jurors desire for hard, science backed proof equals extreme difficulty in prosecuting such cases.
Unfortunately rape is inevitable, just like murder and theft. There is always going to be someone out there that is dangerous and is prone to carry out some horrific crime. The reason why there are messages aimed at women to carry pepper spray, avoid certain places at night, or always watch your drink at bars is because they are aimed at normal people who would actually heed such advice and could potentially keep them out of harms way. The flip side would be to send messages out there to rapist saying "Hey, dont put roofies in girls drinks", which if you already have that kind of mindset, probably arent going to change your habits.
Anton Sugar
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Your odds of being murdered or stolen from are much lower than a woman's odds of being raped in her lifetime.
Traditionally, rape (as well as most violent crime) has been seen as an inevitable danger of dark alleys and busy parties, that unlucky women fall pray to. Women are told a shitton of advice about how to "not get raped", even though none of it really matters if a rapist is determined a lot.
When a woman gets raped, some people will often assume that her behavior (such as drinking, wearing provocative clothing, or acting flirty) led to the rape. In reality, she was raped because somebody wanted to rape her. Similarly, the prison rape of men is often seen as an abstract punishment. Prisoners aren't raped because somebody wanted to rape them, they're raped because they're in prison.
In reality, rape is much less abstract. The majority of rapists are people that the victim knows, and even serial rapists tend to warm up to their victims before raping them. It would be much more helpful to try to find these people before they become rapists than to give women bullshit advice about not being raped.
MHWilliams
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No, he's not.
Also:
You poor, set-upon soul. There there. You can wear whatever stupid shirt you want.
Yeah, stupid shirt. That's a far as I can take my caring about one random dude. If it finds its way to his employers and they fire him, cest la vie as well.
DrGonzo615
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Setting aside the literally millions of different contributing factors that would increase or decrease the risk of murder vs. rape; it's completely beside the point. There is no possible way that theft is less prevalent than rape.
Well, I don't think anyone's saying the guy should be jailed over this. He's a dick, sure, but free speech or whatever.
It's more an illustration of proof of rape culture (for those that still need proof). That shit like this is prevalent and, in some circles, accepted.
Car theft is more prevalent than rape. That guy's full of it.
Anton Sugar
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Sorry, I should have clarified--I was thinking of theft in terms of home invasion/burglaries.
What exactly is your point, then? If your point is a universal "these things happen", then yes. Rape happens. Murder happens. Theft happens.
But 1 in 5 women (figure varies--my campus sexual assault prevention program was called "1 in 4") have reported being raped in their lifetime.
I don't really worry about being murdered. I don't think about having my shit stolen. Many women don't have that luxury when it comes to sexual assault and rape.
Foreign Jackass
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ITT : NeoGAF has a lot of creepy men denying rape culture.
DrGonzo615
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WTF, go reread my post and the post I was responding to. Also the figure is 1in6 are victims of rape or attempted rape. Ugh Im done.
There are different definitions of what constitutes a Rape Culture. I am not going to dismiss the concept completely. Maybe there is some aspect of culture, maybe, possibly, that has some influence on the mind of a rapist, directly or indirectly, but it seems such a difficult thing to quantify for us to even establish whether any aspect of 'rape culture' actually exists or not. Of course there are studies. 1 in 5 is the statistic always cited, but then you have the DOJ data for example, which has it at 0.03 in 5. Big difference.
Interestingly, although I already knew this, your first link states that RAINN does not actually buy into the concept 'rape culture' or at least seriously criticise it.
Ninja Of Chaos
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Finding those people before they become rapists? So all of us? Since technically we are all in a state of "before being rapists".
Anton Sugar
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Not according to the CDC:
What Valhelm was saying is that avoidance of rape is too often put upon the woman, so she is often blamed when it "happens" to her. It's a toxic mindset.
ITT: People throw out the words "rape culture" like it autowins you an argument.
Didn't we just have a thread on internet outrage culture yesterday?
As for the guy with the shirt, good job branding yourself publicly as a super-douche.
Absolutely not. Most people would never rape, and most rapists rape multiple people.
IdreamofHIME
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If it didn't have "babe", that would be an ok'ish tee.
J'aime Fils-Aime
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Also, if I get robbed, I doubt I'll be just as much on trial as the robber (not literally, but you know what I mean). I doubt people will point out that I was dressed too expensively or that I had stolen something when I was in high school, etc.
DrGonzo615
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http://www.rccmsc.org/resources/get-the-facts.aspx
Rape Crisis Center says 1 in 6, regardless, its too goddamn many. I know exactly what Valhelm was saying but you dont seem to understand my response to him.
liliththepale
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This isn't very nice but he's just looking for attention. The best thing we could have done was ignore this out of hand.
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yeah i doubt the person actually cares people are outraged. the thing is its not like anyone thinks the guy is cool and his shirt is dope and its pretty universally accepted he and his shirt are stupid. i dont see what needs to be debated
Ninja Of Chaos
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That's...irrelevant. Whether a person would rape or not can only be defined after they have raped. There are only two states of being in relation to rape: before rape and after rape.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Kind of odd to post a link to RAINN when they, themselves, posted a fairly controversial but widely-read report that was fairly critical of the memetic propagation of the idea of rape culture as a solution to actually solving the problem of rape or as a way of helping victims.
In general, I acknowledge that society has many problems in the way that it deals with rape and sexual assault, but "rape culture", as a term, is very vague and imprecise, does not give one insight into the severity of the problem in any particular society, and is connected to what I think are questionable or outright wrong assumptions about how much of a role culture plays in incidents of rape, when rape is an act of individual choice. Indeed, if you read that study Platy posted earlier, it showed that something like 30% of college guys would commit rape were there no consequences, yet in the RAINN report I mentioned earlier, they state that only about an estimated 3% of college males are responsible for 90% of the problem of campus rape of women, which means that culture is doing a HECK of a lot to suppress rape, though this does not preclude the reality that of course there are factors that encourage it.
Can we do better? Absolutely, particularly at the stage where investigation occurs, as there are many well-documented instances of authorities bungling investigations, victim-blaming, and trying to sweep incidents under the rug for reasons of ignorance, callousness, and reputation-protecting. But, in general, I think "rape culture" is a lowest common denominator way of approaching the issue, one that misdirects attention and effort away from areas where good might be done, doing more to fuel anonymous mobs of internet vigilantes than to move us closer to a resolution of the problem.
Anton Sugar
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I don't, which is exactly why I asked what your point is.
It should also be pointed out that the Department of Justice study has it at 0.03 in 5.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/11...ts-are-actually-less-likely-to-be-victimized/
How about this: everybody is at risk of becoming a terrorist, but obviously a Wahhabist teenager in Iraq is much more likely to become a terrorist than a grandmother in Japan.
By that same token, certain people are much more likely to be rapists than others. A young guy who has lots of casual sex, drinks regularly, objectifies women, feels that he's entitled to sex, and hangs out exclusively with guys of similar views is much more likely to rape somebody than the average Joe is.
Ninja Of Chaos
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I do not accept either of those things. "More likely" means absolutely nothing. It's just observing what has happened in the past, then skipping the whole inductive step and coming to a (false) conclusion.
Rape is something to be avoided, like getting murdered.
That does not mean it is a failure of a woman when she is raped, which I assume is the issue.
The problems in convicting rapists can be many things, lack of evidence, false claims, late reporting essentially boiling down a lot of rape cases into hearsay.
Rape, like murder and other awful acts humans commit upon one another have a lot more to do with the nature of the beast than a culture.
We are to quick to diminish the fact that some people are just fucked and lack empathy and compassion towards others and commit heinous acts.
Because he's 2edgy4you?
Seriously, it's a music festival. That's where you wear your stupid shirts, and attempt to be edgy and provocative. Probably didn't think much about his shirt other than that he was going to rile some people up with it.
Ivan Amiibo
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What a piece of shit.
Omegasquash
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What a cunt.
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I mean the shirt is stupid but don't you just think the outrage culture on the internet is too much these days? I mean sure he's an asshole, but there's no law preventing you from being an asshole, so clearly he should not suffer any consequences for it or be called out on it even slightly. But no, instead we have all these bloody outraged people grabbing pitchforks demanding that the man gets fired! Don't you know he (probably) has a family! Who is the real monster here? The guy wearing the rape t-shirt or these bloody whiners with their outrage and their pitchforks? People are just so offended these days. this outrage culture just makes me so angry.
And anyway rape culture isn't real and I know because i'm a dude.
And anyway rape culture isn't real and I know because i'm a dude.
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Not a funny shirt, but whatever. As others have said, it makes him easier to not interact with. I wish all douchebags were wearing their douchebag uniforms like this at all times.
Cannot explain how much I agree with this. You said it better than I could, but the casualness with which people call for other, non-public figures to be fired for personal habits or distastefulness is kinda scary to me.
Cannot explain how much I agree with this. You said it better than I could, but the casualness with which people call for other, non-public figures to be fired for personal habits or distastefulness is kinda scary to me.
Behind a very tedious try at sarcasm, what is your point?
So what would you like to happen to him? What kind of consequences should he receive?
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