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[sphagnum]

So I take it the chick is the new Jedi apprentice?

Super spoilers ahead.

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Rey is a scavenger on the desert world Jakku who is possibly actually a descendant of Luke or Leia but doesn't know it herself. The line that Luke says in the trailer can only possibly be said to her going by the scenes that we know thanks to MakingStarWars.net, which would mean she is almost certainly related to one of them, although how exactly this works out is kind of confused right now. We know that Luke set up a Jedi academy between Episodes VI and VII but that it was massacred Order 66 style with few if any survivors. Rey apparently may be one of them (or the only one) and somehow escaped/was hidden away as a child. The end of the movie is Rey finding Luke in his exile and returning to him his lightsaber, accepting her destiny as his padawan after running away from it for the course of the film.

 

[valeo]

I'm annoyed people think characters can't age to still be around in their own fictional world.

Except he's wearing the same clothes, Chewie looks the same and the character doesnt look like he's progressed at all. It's weird. It's like an old man cosplaying.

 

[CreepingFear]

Good night guys. I probably watched the trailers about 100 times tonight. I had the loop button on in VLC with the downloaded trailer. Can't wait. Hopefully we get a third or 1st non-teaser trailer.

 

[injurai]

Except he's wearing the same clothes, Chewie looks the same and the character doesnt look like he's progressed at all. It's weird. It's like an old man cosplaying.

Yet he's not wearing the same clothes.

 

[More_Badass]

Except he's wearing the same clothes, Chewie looks the same and the character doesnt look like he's progressed at all. It's weird. It's like an old man cosplaying.

Wookies can live for centuries. What's a few decades?

 

[BocoDragon]

My first Star Wars film was Attack of the Clones. I remember I had even gotten that shitty Jango Fett PS2 game. Revenge of the Sith was my favorite for a while (so much action!) until I was older and could appreciate the original films. I was suprised by how well the OG trilogy held up.

Empire Strikes Back is my favorite now.

Clones is literally the worst one, maybe the lowest point in Star Wars on the big screen. I'm glad to see you've recovered from that childhood trauma

I don't dislike Revenge of the Sith, though.

 

[Frozenprince]

Super spoilers ahead.

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Rey is a scavenger on the desert world Jakku who is possibly actually a descendant of Luke or Leia but doesn't know it herself. The line that Luke says in the trailer can only possibly be said to her going by the scenes that we know thanks to MakingStarWars.net, which would mean she is almost certainly related to one of them, although how exactly this works out is kind of confused right now. We know that Luke set up a Jedi academy between Episodes VI and VII but that it was massacred Order 66 style with few if any survivors. Rey apparently may be one of them (or the only one) and somehow escaped/was hidden away as a child. The end of the movie is Rey finding Luke in his exile and returning to him his lightsaber, accepting her destiny as his padawan after running away from it for the course of the film.

Not gonna lie,

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all the Jedi being dead again seems like a major cop out TBH, we saw their fall already, and their rise already, now they should just, you know, be a thing.

 

[OricWindstar]

My first Star Wars film was Attack of the Clones. I remember I had even gotten that shitty Jango Fett PS2 game. Revenge of the Sith was my favorite for a while (so much action!) until I was older and could appreciate the original films. I was suprised by how well the OG trilogy held up.

Empire Strikes Back is my favorite now.

You have done well.

 

[Big Green Anus]

I always found it frustrating because I knew that if I were a kid in the prequel era, I would have never liked Star Wars. I was an iconoclastic kid and even at 10 years old, I hated pandery cartoon characters making fart jokes, badly acted romance, etc.

I liked Star Wars as a kid because it was this "mature" adventure, with a personal spiritual journey, military conflict, etc. It was a real genre film series you got into like Terminator or Aliens.... but the prequels made it seem like it was just an embarrassing fantasy show for kids and nerds.

I think we're getting back to what it was.



Probably, yes. Him along with Rey and maybe Poe Dameron (the X-wing pilot) are like the new heroes of Star Wars, with the old characters passing the torch to them in this new film.

Sadly the case for me with regards to not liking/understanding Star Wars movies due to being tainted by the prequels, but I actually enjoyed Revenge of the Sith. However, my appreciation for Star War franchise more so came from the games over the years. I guess I could re-watch the original trilogy among other classics that I haven't fully watched such as Blade Runner and the Alien movies

 

[sphagnum]

Not gonna lie,

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all the Jedi being dead again seems like a major cop out TBH, we saw their fall already, and their rise already, now they should just, you know, be a thing.

Yeah, I think this is going to be rather divisive.

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It seems like a way for J. J. to focus on Rey as the "new Luke" thrown into the hero's cycle and only she and her friends can save the galaxy, but it comes off as a retread.

 

[OricWindstar]

Not gonna lie,

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all the Jedi being dead again seems like a major cop out TBH, we saw their fall already, and their rise already, now they should just, you know, be a thing.

I actually want it to mean something to be a Jedi again. Not necessarily as scarce as the OT, but I don't want every other character to be a Jedi. I want that "oh shit" feeling to come back whenever a lightsaber turns on, instead of having them show up every two seconds.

 

[BocoDragon]

Sadly the case for me with regards to not liking/understanding Star Wars movies due to being tainted by the prequels, but I actually enjoyed Revenge of the Sith. However, my appreciation for Star War franchise more so came from the games over the years. I guess I could re-watch the original trilogy among other classics that I haven't fully watched such as Blade Runner and the Alien movies

As I said above.. I don't mind Revenge of the Sith. Probably because it was the closest to getting back to the mature tone of the series that I always thought Star Wars was supposed to be.

It's the cartoony aliens of Episode I and the awful romance sequences as well as general lameness of Episode II (dumb action sequences like car chase and droid factory, whiny main character, ham fisted detective plot.. a dumb diner scene with a cartoon alien) that are the real sins.

 

[Lach]

This is pushing all the right buttons for me!

 

[Frozenprince]

I actually want it to mean something to be a Jedi again. Not necessarily as scarce as the OT, but I don't want every other character to be a Jedi. I want that "oh shit" feeling to come back whenever a lightsaber turns on, instead of having them show up every two seconds.

And you can absolutely have that

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without them all being dead.

 

[antonz]

Yeah Revenge of the Sith isn't awful per say. Anakin is just handled poorly in the movies. There is so much that is left off screen that could actually justify his world views and his turns etc. but that is the problem it is all off screen. They also in a silly way turned the dial to 11 on Palpatine's behavior and actions.

Watching the Clone Wars CG show helps make Anakin a much better and fuller character. His motivations, his betrayals both real and what he perceives as betrayals by the people closest to him.

Clone Wars is how I put it Lucas's apology to the fans. He spent obscene amounts of money and was very hands on with it filling in most of the holes Episode 2 and the period between it and Episode 3 had and makes the saga better overall. Just a shame the series started off kind of poor and so many fans said to hell with it.

 

[sphagnum]

And you can absolutely have that

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without them all being dead.

The shot in the trailer with R2 is

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during a Force-vision flashback sequence showing "younger" (in the context of the movie) Luke returning to the academy and discovering it in flames after it was sneak attacked.

I do think there may be some

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survivors. MSW described some concept art showing "Rose" (the alien mocapped by Lupita Nyongo) teaching younglings, but there are no younglings in the movie. She's the one who intiates the Force-vision flashback so she could possibly be a Jedi like Luke. However, all we know about her is that she runs a cantina now.

 

[OricWindstar]

And you can absolutely have that

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without them all being dead.

True. I'm just hoping they don't go crazy with the force sensitive characters.

 

[Frozenprince]

I like to think of Revenge as a good movie with an awful lead. The parts were all there to have a good movie, but the character of Anakin is so wildly unlikable and uncharismatic that I just don't care at all about anything that happens to him.

Also the ending is stupid.

 

[DarkFlow]

The shot in the trailer with R2 is

Spoiler

during a Force-vision flashback sequence showing "younger" (in the context of the movie) Luke returning to the academy and discovering it in flames after it was sneak attacked.

I do think there may be some

Spoiler

survivors. MSW described some concept art showing "Rose" (the alien mocapped by Lupita Nyongo) teaching younglings, but there are no younglings in the movie. She's the one who intiates the Force-vision flashback so she could possibly be a Jedi like Luke. However, all we know about her is that she runs a cantina now.

How do you know this stuff?

 

[More_Badass]

You have done well.

Gave me chills when I first saw it. The build-up and then the confrontation was just masterful. I just love that line too

 

[Bishop89]

My first Star Wars film was Attack of the Clones. I remember I had even gotten that shitty Jango Fett PS2 game. Revenge of the Sith was my favorite for a while (so much action!) until I was older and could appreciate the original films. I was suprised by how well the OG trilogy held up.

Empire Strikes Back is my favorite now.

 

[Bishop89]

Except he's wearing the same clothes, Chewie looks the same and the character doesnt look like he's progressed at all. It's weird. It's like an old man cosplaying.

Amazing you came up with this from 3 seconds of footage.

 

[Frozenprince]

The shot in the trailer with R2 is

Spoiler

during a Force-vision flashback sequence showing "younger" (in the context of the movie) Luke returning to the academy and discovering it in flames after it was sneak attacked.

I do think there may be some

Spoiler

survivors. MSW described some concept art showing "Rose" (the alien mocapped by Lupita Nyongo) teaching younglings, but there are no younglings in the movie. She's the one who intiates the Force-vision flashback so she could possibly be a Jedi like Luke. However, all we know about her is that she runs a cantina now.

Still though that strikes me as a total cop out.

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You can have it attacked, but don't have them all go into hiding, AGAIN, and at least establish it like it was in say, Star Wars:Legacy where there are still a bunch of them, just spread out and lacking cohesive command. Not hunted or disbanded.

I just think there's a better way to do it than touching the same, exact, plot points. That's why the EU for the most part was garbage. Because it was just the original trilogy over and over and over. IF 8-9 are them

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rebuilding the order and gathering more Jedi,

THEN I might be more inclined to see it as passable. But as it stands now it sounds like the same movie. Like, I get that there probably wouldn't just be total regime change from the empire because of one lost battle, but the Rebels were winning the war, you'd think they'd have some semblance of control right?

 

[sphagnum]

How do you know this stuff?

Makingstarwars.net, the lead site in Star Wars spoilers. They have the call sheets for the movie detailing every single shot scene in the film. Everything in this trailer has matched up with what they've been saying for months.

The head of the site sometimes posts speculation based off concept art of vague things his sources tell him and these usually end up wrong, but when they post just straight info from their sources it's always spot on.

 

[DerZuhälter]

2 things:

Chewie looks somewhat off. Can't put my finger on what it is though. Ideas?

And. Galactica style zoom ins.

I thought GAF hated those?

 

[sphagnum]

2 things:

Chewie looks somewhat off. Can't put my finger on what it is though. Ideas?

And. Galactica style zoom ins.

I thought GAF hated those?

I definitely think this is the worst shot in the trailer. There was a zoom-in moment in AotC but it was meant to evoke war footage. This just seems kind of pointless.

 

[antonz]

Still though that strikes me as a total cop out.

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You can have it attacked, but don't have them all go into hiding, AGAIN, and at least establish it like it was in say, Star Wars:Legacy where there are still a bunch of them, just spread out and lacking cohesive command. Not hunted or disbanded.

I just think there's a better way to do it than touching the same, exact, plot points. That's why the EU for the most part was garbage. Because it was just the original trilogy over and over and over.

That seems to be the whole destiny of the Star Wars Galaxy. From the origins of the Jedi and Sith it has been a constant back and forth. Sith win and rule for a time then get defeated by a Jedi and then the Sith go into hiding until they rebuild to take over again.

Rinse and Repeat over thousands of years.

 

[BocoDragon]

I like to think of Revenge as a good movie with an awful lead. The parts were all there to have a good movie, but the character of Anakin is so wildly unlikable and uncharismatic that I just don't care at all about anything that happens to him.

Also the ending is stupid.

I don't disagree in general. But most of its failures are actually the failures of the previous films. I like to think of it as the best possible film that could have come from a really bad setup.

If I squint my eyes I almost see Anakin in ROTS as the badass fallen Jedi that I always imagined him to be as a kid. Even the hair and look is almost what I imagined. He's only tainted by the fact that he is indeed Hayden Christiensen and he's following through on the whiny, unlikeable portrayal he established in Clones, and his downfall is necessarily tied to those very unlikeable traits.

 

[DarkFlow]

Makingstarwars.net, the lead site in Star Wars spoilers. They have the call sheets for the movie detailing every single shot scene in the film. Everything in this trailer has matched up with what they've been saying for months.

The head of the site sometimes posts speculation based off concept art of vague things his sources tell him and these usually end up wrong, but when they post just straight info from their sources it's always spot on.

I see, I thought you had seen this shit or something lol.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

2 things:

Chewie looks somewhat off. Can't put my finger on what it is though. Ideas?

And. Galactica style zoom ins.


I thought GAF hated those?

People already said their peace on that iirc. First time I've seen it done in such a jarring way. Didn't think it was that bad in its use in The Avengers.

 

[Frozenprince]

That seems to be the whole destiny of the Star Wars Galaxy. From the origins of the Jedi and Sith it has been a constant back and forth. Sith win and rule for a time then get defeated by a Jedi and then the Sith go into hiding until they rebuild to take over again.

Rinse and Repeat over thousands of years.

But there are long, long periods in the EU where both sides are strong and not near death. You can have a strong Sith enemy and a strong Jedi faction, you don't need to always have on side be "the last hope of their kind".

It kinda takes a lot of the punch of being the "chosen one" away.

And again, you can have one or the other exist as something other than either the one that has total and complete control and hundreds of millions of them, or dead to all but 2-3 of them. There is a lot of middle ground between those two to make compelling drama.

 

[OricWindstar]

Gave me chills when I first saw it. The build-up and then the confrontation was just masterful. I just love that line too

My favorite film set of all time. This scene alone is why I moved out to LA to make movies.

 

[antonz]

But there are long, long periods in the EU where both sides are strong and not near death. You can have a strong Sith enemy and a strong Jedi faction, you don't need to always have on side be "the last hope of their kind".

It kinda takes a lot of the punch of being the "chosen one" away.

It seems like for the first time since the Old Republic Era that the Galaxy is actually at a point where there is a balance of sort. Neither side has absolute control.

Anakin's importance is definitely watered down in the big picture compared to what Lucas always made it out to seem but following the Lore It seems likely the Chosen One was never meant to be one person. There were likely numerous Chosen Ones over the history of the Galaxy. Yoda and WIndu comment they may not even understand the prophecy correctly in the movies.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

2 things:

Chewie looks somewhat off. Can't put my finger on what it is though. Ideas?

The eyes, something in the eyes.

I have no issue with the zoom.

 

[Frozenprince]

It seems like for the first time since the Old Republic Era that the Galaxy is actually at a point where there is a balance of sort. Neither side has absolute control.

Anakin's importance is definitely watered down in the big picture compared to what Lucas always made it out to seem but following the Lore It seems likely the Chosen One was never meant to be one person. There were likely numerous Chosen Ones over the history of the Galaxy. Yoda and WIndu comment they may not even understand the prophecy correctly in the movies.

The idea of the savior is more important the who the savior actually is. All the Skywalkers fulfill that prophecy (including Cade). But still, you can have balance without there being only 2-3 of each kind left. You can have good and bad space magicians that aren't prosperous, but aren't extinct or on the verge of extinction, either.

 

[StormyTheRabbit]

I definitely think this is the worst shot in the trailer. There was a zoom-in moment in AotC but it was meant to evoke war footage. This just seems kind of pointless.

Disagree. Instead of cutting up 2 different, effectively CGI shots, this allows to show the scale of the Star Destroyer in one wide shot. This sets the scale of the chase scene about to begin, while then zooming us into the effective scale of what is about to follow within the said structure shown off at the beginning of the shot.

Without understanding cinematic language, breaking this up into 2 different shots and cutting between the two would break all of that understanding more than you would think to the average movie-goer.

Its an effective, an deliberate choice made between Abrams and the DoP.

 

[sfedai0]

Damn, that music. Hearing Luke and Han talk. We can finally forget 1,2,3 ever happening.

 

[devilhawk]

The first two seconds of the trailer has a more important and stunning visual than any image in the entirety of the prequels.

Not even debatable.

 

[injurai]

2 things:

Chewie looks somewhat off. Can't put my finger on what it is though. Ideas?

And. Galactica style zoom ins.

I thought GAF hated those?

 

[sphagnum]

Damn, that music. Hearing Luke and Han talk. We can finally forget 1,2,3 ever happening.

Haha.

The Lucasfilm Story Group has been very proactive in making sure that the canon novels, comics, and Rebels all have significant prequel elements.

There is no escape.

 

[Frozenprince]

The first two seconds of the trailer has a more important and stunning visual than any image in the entirety of the prequels.

Not even debatable.

Well yeah the prequels are 95% people talking in cramped rooms.

Haha.

The Lucasfilm Story Group has been very proactive in making sure that the canon novels, comics, and Rebels all have significant prequel elements.

There is no escape.

I really hope they don't try and force Rebels connections into the theatrical releases.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Damn, that music. Hearing Luke and Han talk. We can finally forget 1,2,3 ever happening.

I'm pretty sure if you really want them forgotten you have to get brainwashed. I'll do it for you for $500.

 

[sphagnum]

The first two seconds of the trailer has a more important and stunning visual than any image in the entirety of the prequels.

Not even debatable.

Oops wrong again.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Well yeah the prequels are 95% people talking in cramped rooms.

Come on, that's not true. There is a lot of it, but nowhere near that much.

 

[HUELEN10]

Why...

Why is BB 8 sooooooooooooo adorable?!?!?!?!

💘

 

[BocoDragon]

Oops wrong again.

Said no one ever. That's about as generic of a shot as I can imagine.

I mean.. it's symmetrical. An amateur photographer could tell you why it's factually uninteresting.

 

[Frozenprince]

Come on, that's not true (even though there is a lot of it).

Sure I exaggerated but come on, there's not enough space in my space opera. Yes there are cool sword fights and a few neat battle set-pieces. But for the most part it's just dull, stakeless dialogue. There is always something going on in New Hope and Empire and RotJ, there are loooong swaths of all the prequels where there's just absolutely NOTHING happening.

 

[bananafactory]

Oops wrong again.

There is nothing remotely interesting about this shot.

 

[injurai]

Oops wrong again.

yuk

 

[Frozenprince]

Said no one ever. That's about as generic of a shot as I can imagine.

A dutch angle of a relatively nice sci-fi cityscape.

Honestly for as dull as AotC was, the end scene with the clone armies or the one battle were better shots to choose, iyam.