Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2

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BlueDogAnchorite said:
The only reason why people are ragging on it is because it doesn't fit into what they feel what Star Wars should be. I mean it's their opinion, but it's when another person says how much they like the Prequels they tend to start to get really nasty and toxic.

As for the new movie, I am looking forward to it. Hopefully they do some new stuff with it. It's too early to tell how it will turn out. Even if it's a retrend, I might complain but I wouldn't mind.
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"It represents the Prequels" is maybe the last of my reasons of why I think that's an uninteresting shot.

My main reason would be that I think it's so simple of a composition that... well I'm not gonna say it's amateurish as in "it looks bad", but it's amateurish in that it accomplishes literally nothing. It's a non-dynamic image. Everything is centered and symmetrical. Get a photographer with no training and put them on that set, and that's the shot they'd take.

My second reason would be that the content itself is very uninteresting. It's some sort of fantasy set that looks like a rest area in a Vegas casino set against a CGI backdrop of a futuristic city (and might I add that Coruscant was never entirely original as a futuristic design- it looks like every sci-fi city in a book, comic or video game since the 70s). It's extremely generic.

When you are arguing that it's a great shot.. I wonder if you are really saying "this has pretty graphics", because that's the only standpoint I could think to appreciate this as a shot. Yes, it looks like it would be a very nice backdrop in a PS1 jRPG.
 
EatChildren said:
Most beautifully framed cinematography isn't just memorable for the imagery, but the context of the imagery. It's not that every shot in the original trilogy is outstanding, instead when it is gorgeous it's usually coupled with an iconic moment in the narrative or themes strongly associated with the story arc.

The prequel trilogy has plenty of wonderful looking scenes, stills, and sequences. But they tend to fall apart in your memory due to the forgettable context.

Like the ~1:15 long shot opening the battle over Coruscant. It's CGI wank and very busy, but intentionally so, has gorgeous colours, attractive framing that highlights scale of the ships, and conveys a sense of a chaotic war climax. The context is fine. But then it pans in on our protagonists, they open their mouths, and forgettable dialogue is delivered by wooden performances, and it's hard to give a shit from that point onwards no matter how nicely framed the shots are.

The cinematography here is outstanding:

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But it's that cinematography combined with the context, Luke's first confrontation with Darth fucking Vader, that makes it memorable.
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Thanks for this. You've taught me how to express myself a little better about such things.
 
This teaser didn't excite me at all. Maybe I'm just not a big enough fan of the original trilogy. Just seeing Harrison Ford as Han Solo isn't enough to do anything for me. He needs to deliver in this film, too.
 
Do we really need to have another tired prequel vs. OT debate on such a good day? We've had a decade to sort our shit out with the prequels... and this is still happening.
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
Regardless of how low the prequels got, it's hard to argue that they don't have good music.
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The prequels' scores are awesome.

I'd still give the low point to Episode II. Across the Stars is wonderful... but there's some leitmotif that plays during the "mystery" scenes throughout the film that is so dull.
 
EatChildren said:
Most beautifully framed cinematography isn't just memorable for the imagery, but the context of the imagery. It's not that every shot in the original trilogy is outstanding, instead when it is gorgeous it's usually coupled with an iconic moment in the narrative or themes strongly associated with the story arc.

The prequel trilogy has plenty of wonderful looking scenes, stills, and sequences. But they tend to fall apart in your memory due to the forgettable context.

Like the ~1:15 long shot opening the battle over Coruscant. It's CGI wank and very busy, but intentionally so, has gorgeous colours, attractive framing that highlights scale of the ships, and conveys a sense of a chaotic war climax. The context is fine. But then it pans in on our protagonists, they open their mouths, and forgettable dialogue is delivered by wooden performances, and it's hard to give a shit from that point onwards no matter how nicely framed the shots are.

The cinematography here is outstanding:

lukevaderesbwsb37.png


But it's that cinematography combined with the context, Luke's first confrontation with Darth fucking Vader, that makes it memorable.
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My favorite shot ever. The set, the framing, the colors...fucking beautiful.
 
The opening shot in the teaser is so damn powerful. Cinematography is on point. That Star Destroyer just nestled in the sand. I think it's already a better shot than anything from the prequels and I really did love the prequels.
 
Spiritreaver said:
Ehhh, people can bitch about ROTS shots as they please however the opening sequence to ROTS is still pretty epic to me. Especially after the the fighters fly below the starship and you see the scale of the battle going on.

https://youtu.be/ZWoGkrt5Upg
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As someone who loves film, this opening did teach me what should NOT be done in a vehicle driven set piece. Even the densest moments in RotJ were comprehensible. Having not watched most of the film, even my sister who doesn't know dick about Star Wars could identify who the good guys and bad guys are during the battle of Endor. The opening of RotS is a clusterfuck of unidentifiable spaceships shooting in every direction with no clear objective. It's the classic example of what's wrong with the "it's so dense" style that makes movies like Hobbit's Five Armies feel so hollow.
 
Tookay said:
Do we really need to have another tired prequel vs. OT debate on such a good day? We've had a decade to sort our shit out with the prequels... and this is still happening.
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I only jumped into the conversation because, and I imagine this is the same for others, the reason this trailer is so exciting is that evokes the feeling the OT gave us the first time we watched it. I don't mean any disrespect to those that like the prequels, as they're just as entitled as anyone else, but it's impossible to discuss the joy I'm feeling without bringing up the disappointment leading up to this film in the last decade.

Of course I wish the prequels never happened, but it's almost made it worth it for how overjoyed I am for this movie after having thought Star Wars was forever going to be something I wouldn't be able to get behind.
 
Vespene said:
As someone who loves film, this opening did teach me what should NOT be done in a vehicle driven set piece. Even the densest moments in RotJ were comprehensible. Having not watched most of the film, even my sister who doesn't know dick about Star Wars could identify who the good guys and bad guys are during the battle of Endor. The opening of RotS is a clusterfuck of unidentifiable spaceships shooting in every direction with no clear objective. It's the classic example of what's wrong with the "it's so dense" style that makes movies like Hobbit's Five Armies feel so hollow.
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Five Armies I'll agree with. I had no problem watching that scene in Ep III. I really don't find it hard to visual take in. In part because it depicts how each pilot singles out one or two targets to focus on. You can be sure that you are just another ship in the background to most others out there. It's really not that hard.
 
Meowster said:
The opening shot in the teaser is so damn powerful. Cinematography is on point. That Star Destroyer just nestled in the sand. I think it's already a better shot than anything from the prequels and I really did love the prequels.
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Yep, amazing shot.
 
I wonder if that silver trooper is a bounty hunter.

That actress looks like a younger, better looking Gemma Atterton. Is she a jedi?

Was that Luke with R2? I wonder if C-3PO is caput.

I clapped like an idiot by myself when Han Solo showed up.
 
Vespene said:
As someone who loves film, this opening did teach me what should NOT be done in a vehicle driven set piece. Even the densest moments in RotJ were comprehensible. Having not watched most of the film, even my sister who doesn't know dick about Star Wars could identify who the good guys and bad guys are during the battle of Endor. The opening of RotS is a clusterfuck of unidentifiable spaceships shooting in every direction with no clear objective. It's the classic example of what's wrong with the "it's so dense" style that makes movies like Hobbit's Five Armies feel so hollow.
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I actually love the opening scene in ROTS. I get the sense you aren't supposed to be caring about the "sides" in the space conflict. It's more that there is a battlefield through which our heroes are supposed to maneuver through and survive. The republic and separatist ships are basically akin to the asteroids in ESB.

This topic does remind me that there is basically no legitimate space conflict in the entire prequels. Episode I had some autopilot nonsense. Episode III has this opening scene.... maybe the pursuit of Jango's ship in Episode II is the only thing remotely like a space battle?

I don't think there is an analogue to the "escaping the Death Star" sequence in the entire prequels, which is baffling considering that's a core Star Wars type of scene. But then again, there's no Han Solo analogue either. I will bet you $1000 there will be analogues to those aspects in The Force Awakens (and I don't mean old Han, I mean Han-like tendencies in young characters).
 
Vespene said:
As someone who loves film, this opening did teach me what should NOT be done in a vehicle driven set piece. Even the densest moments in RotJ were comprehensible. Having not watched most of the film, even my sister who doesn't know dick about Star Wars could identify who the good guys and bad guys are during the battle of Endor. The opening of RotS is a clusterfuck of unidentifiable spaceships shooting in every direction with no clear objective. It's the classic example of what's wrong with the "it's so dense" style that makes movies like Hobbit's Five Armies feel so hollow.
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There's nothing wrong with shitloads of stuff going on at once... if you're James Cameron.
To be more specific, it's ok as long as you have clear focus and continuity, which seems easy but somehow isn't?
 
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
 
Vespene said:
As someone who loves film, this opening did teach me what should NOT be done in a vehicle driven set piece. Even the densest moments in RotJ were comprehensible. Having not watched most of the film, even my sister who doesn't know dick about Star Wars could identify who the good guys and bad guys are during the battle of Endor. The opening of RotS is a clusterfuck of unidentifiable spaceships shooting in every direction with no clear objective. It's the classic example of what's wrong with the "it's so dense" style that makes movies like Hobbit's Five Armies feel so hollow.
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Yeah that's understandable.

I think I just enjoy space battles too much and Star Wars has always done them well. I'd actually love a Rogue Squadron style game with Battle Over Coruscant. :( It really looks like something I'd like to experience.

Whether it makes good film or not is whatever. I guess I'm just an easy to please fan. :)
 
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I died. The nostalgia is too much. If nothing else they nailed the imagery. Pure Original Trilogy goodness with a modern gloss. I so hope this film has as much substance as it does style.

THE HYPE AWAKENS

Erico said:
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
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You know what you have to do. This is unfortunate but necessary.
 
Erico said:
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
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Right just because he likes the Prequels more doesn't mean your coworker is a "lost" Star Wars fan. Personally, I love the Clone Wars tv show more than the movies.
 
Erico said:
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
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As I read your post I thought it was going to go into some "the prequels are the exact same thing for a new generation!" nonsense. Thank the maker you capped it off with a sense of horror ;)
 
I'm late, but I loved the trailer. The beginning, the end.. It looks gorgeous!

I'm not too sure yet, that I liked the new modifications on the Tie Fighters and X-Wings, but I'll have to see more of that to be sure.
I'm very excited and I hope to see this trailer in cinemas soon!
 
Apt101 said:
I wonder if that silver trooper is a bounty hunter.

That actress looks like a younger, better looking Gemma Atterton. Is she a jedi?

Was that Luke with R2? I wonder if C-3PO is caput.
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Rumors/spoilers:
Chrometrooper is Gwendoline Christie's character, an elite bounty hunter-like agent in the empire.

Rey (Daisy Ridley) is a force sensitive person and a Skywalker (probably Han and Leia's daughter)

Yes, that's Luke.

maquiladora said:
You're best avatar yet :3 Are you keeping a database of all these different versions?
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Thanks! Yeah, I have a folder of like sixty different outfits.
 
xyla said:
I'm late, but I loved the trailer. The beginning, the end.. It looks gorgeous!

I'm not too sure yet, that I liked the new modifications on the Tie Fighters and X-Wings, but I'll have to see more of that to be sure.
I'm very excited and I hope to see this trailer in cinemas soon!
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For me I am really digging the new X-Wing look. The Tie Fighters I thought looked pretty good. As for the rest of the trailer, really liked how they kept it very mysterious. I really like
Captain Phasma walking down that hallway shot. She looks badass.
 
Erico said:
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
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I would expect most people that were 'of an age' when the prequels came out, would have been exposed to the OT first by their parents. I suppose some might have seen the prequels first, but it won't be some big generational thing like the OT was.

Also, do people not understand what prequels are? They aren't meant to be seen before you watch the originals, they're just *set* before the originals. They are written with references and callbacks to the OT such that you really need to see them in OT-PT order.
 
BocoDragon said:
As I read your post I thought it was going to go into some "the prequels are the exact same thing for a new generation!" nonsense. Thank the maker you capped it off with a sense of horror ;)
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It's just one point I can never compromise on. Those poor misguided souls.
 
EatChildren said:
Most beautifully framed cinematography isn't just memorable for the imagery, but the context of the imagery. It's not that every shot in the original trilogy is outstanding, instead when it is gorgeous it's usually coupled with an iconic moment in the narrative or themes strongly associated with the story arc.

The prequel trilogy has plenty of wonderful looking scenes, stills, and sequences. But they tend to fall apart in your memory due to the forgettable context.

Like the ~1:15 long shot opening the battle over Coruscant. It's CGI wank and very busy, but intentionally so, has gorgeous colours, attractive framing that highlights scale of the ships, and conveys a sense of a chaotic war climax. The context is fine. But then it pans in on our protagonists, they open their mouths, and forgettable dialogue is delivered by wooden performances, and it's hard to give a shit from that point onwards no matter how nicely framed the shots are.

The cinematography here is outstanding:

lukevaderesbwsb37.png


But it's that cinematography combined with the context, Luke's first confrontation with Darth fucking Vader, that makes it memorable.
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Another example.
Combined with the soundtrack and the meaning of the whole scene, this is my favourite shot of the whole saga. Hell, of whole movie's history.

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The Empire is omnipresent, dominating the frame of every shot during the battle. The good guys are like bugs compared to their towering power, with nowhere to hide in the empty whiteness of the snow. Yet even then some live to fight another day, victorious even in defeat.

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There's innumerable things on screen shooting in every direction with no distinction of who's who. Enemy is composed of comical droids who serve as canon fodder to an army of equally sterile clones. I forgot the rest.
 
EatChildren said:
Most beautifully framed cinematography isn't just memorable for the imagery, but the context of the imagery. It's not that every shot in the original trilogy is outstanding, instead when it is gorgeous it's usually coupled with an iconic moment in the narrative or themes strongly associated with the story arc.

The prequel trilogy has plenty of wonderful looking scenes, stills, and sequences. But they tend to fall apart in your memory due to the forgettable context.

Like the ~1:15 long shot opening the battle over Coruscant. It's CGI wank and very busy, but intentionally so, has gorgeous colours, attractive framing that highlights scale of the ships, and conveys a sense of a chaotic war climax. The context is fine. But then it pans in on our protagonists, they open their mouths, and forgettable dialogue is delivered by wooden performances, and it's hard to give a shit from that point onwards no matter how nicely framed the shots are.

The cinematography here is outstanding:

lukevaderesbwsb37.png


But it's that cinematography combined with the context, Luke's first confrontation with Darth fucking Vader, that makes it memorable.
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YES. Great post.
 
mrklaw said:
I would expect most people that were 'of an age' when the prequels came out, would have been exposed to the OT first by their parents. I suppose some might have seen the prequels first, but it won't be some big generational thing like the OT was.

Also, do people not understand what prequels are? They aren't meant to be seen before you watch the originals, they're just *set* before the originals. They are written with references and callbacks to the OT such that you really need to see them in OT-PT order.
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I totally agree.

It wasn't helped by the fact that Lucas kind of implied that his series was meant to be watched I-VI and labelled + promoted them as such. He talked about his saga being complete, as if he had made the exact movies that should have come out before Episode IV. He displayed no sense of acknowledgement that the prequels completely play on our previous knowledge of the series, and actually ruin plot points of the OT.

But as we know, there may be no one on earth with the least accurate perspective on Star Wars than Lucas.
 
Erico said:
I know many people came of age with the prequels, and identify with them as their personal Star Wars experience.

My coworker, born in 1990, was recently telling me about how the prequels defined Star Wars for him, while the OT seemed somewhat outdated and campy.

I'm all for walking in others's shoes, seeing things from different perspectives. But hell, I'm sorry, I consider you prequel people a lost generation. A poor, warped, lost generation. May the Force have mercy on your souls.
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I was born in 1990 and I am ashamed of your coworker. Born and raised on the OT, unlike some embarrassments to my generation. Some of us just had better parents, I suppose.





Really, though, the only prequel movie I truly hate is Episode II. The others I feel are slightly more watchable, even if I could never agree with the opinion that they surpass the OT.
 
Falawful said:
I was born in 1990 and I am ashamed of your coworker. Born and raised on the OT, unlike some embarrassments to my generation. Some of us just had better parents, I suppose.





Really, though, the only prequel movie I truly hate is Episode II. The others I feel are slightly more watchable, even if I could never agree with the opinion that they surpass the OT.
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I'm with you on that and I'm from an earlier generation.
 
JoduanER2 said:
Yea, hate that, seeing han solo and R2D2 again is a bad sign, star wars needs to evolve and expand on the universe, it needs to tell a completely new story and forget about old characters.
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Apparently you're not familiar with the "passing of the torch" trope.

It'll work very well for these new characters.

It's a good bet that Daisy Ridley is the new lead/Jedi. Which would be so, so amazing.
 
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