Gordon Shumway
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You'll find nothing..NOTHING.
Flag Desecration at Georgia school. Veteran arrested while trying to stop it.
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Dude Abides
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This is not true. They're a relic of the 60s and many places have phased them out. They're generally unconstitutional.
Uh, its actually almost the direct opposite for public Universities that take federal money.
There is more scrutiny placed on First Amendment violations there because of how close the government is involved at public universities.
Ah, the classic "I am above all of it" post.
……forgetit
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Is that a serious question?
Seriously I gotta know, you aren't seriously that naive are you?
Cheesecakebobby
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Reminds me of an event at my old university last year where for a Eurovision song contest party some organisers put up flags of all the competing countries. Someone cut down one of the flags as some sort of protest but nothing happened. I think the organisers took down all the flags as a result.
You can probably guess which country was singled out. Not Russia, despite that whole Crimea thing that was at its peak....
You can probably guess which country was singled out. Not Russia, despite that whole Crimea thing that was at its peak....
Jest Chillin
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The last time I read about it, more than 50% of colleges still had "speech codes." There were more and more lawsuits being brought to get rid of them, but of course that takes time.
Searching around... it looks like the info I recall is over a year old. I haven't come across more recent statistics though.
The Faceless Master
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so she wants to use theft to quash speech? maybe she signed up for the wrong side? i hear ISIS is still hiring...
im waiting.
……forgetit
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So you're serious? How about Fucking slavery? Denieing civil right, separate but equal, legalized lynching, there are hundreds, if not thousands of books written on this.
uh slavery was 150 years ago, and then over 50 years ago for civil rights. what are they protesting?
……forgetit
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One of those was 150 years ago, the lasresr was 50 years ago. Also more recently the deaths of unarmed African american men, overrepresentation of African Americans in prison dispite committing crimes at equal rates to white people, the war on drugs. I could literally do this all night.
Also it doesn't matter what they are protesting, they're allowed to do it.
Erin S Kittens
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Hoooooly shit, the entitlement of the willfully ignorant.
how many of those people were killed by federal agents?
what? i'm just trying to understand...
……forgetit
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As I said before, what they were protesting is irrelavent to the conversation. Just that the protesters had the right to do so.
King Tubby
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Not to mention Obama got elected...twice. Show's over people, go home.
Civil Rights have not been fully achieved, and slavery lasted much longer than 1865 through share cropping. Not to mention the adverse affects enslavement has on a population's wealth and status.
Block-busting, for example, is one aspect of 50 years ago that still affects blacks today.
I am hesitantly taking you at your word that you are wholy ignorant of the situation.
The Airman had no right to do what she did. As a Marine, we are not allowed to do that and I would quickly stop another Marine participating in this. There would be serious ramifications for military members doing this. Maybe she had that going through her head when she saw civilians desecrating the flag.
Even so, it is illegal for civilians to desecrate the U.S. flag. 18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States. She should have just point this out to authorities and let them take care for the situation.
Even so, it is illegal for civilians to desecrate the U.S. flag. 18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States. She should have just point this out to authorities and let them take care for the situation.
Mammoth Jones
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If "patriots" gave half as much of a fuck about the abuse minorities have faced for centuries and still face in society then no one would be desecrating the flag in the first place.
It is not at all illegal to desecrate the U.S, flag and has been established as such since the start of this millennium.
King Tubby
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BronsonLee
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...Or it could be that I don't support the protesters or the vet?
Yep. Patriots only consider white people as real Americans.
Well that's that then. But it's illegal for a military member to do that.
The protestors declined to press charges against her, and the police also declined to press charges for resisting arrest, so she was given a criminal trespass warning and released. The police asked for ID from the protestors, who refused to provide it, so they were asked to disperse. The actual school had no problem with their protest.
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/n...320-e559-11e4-93ad-dbffd6e2dfd8.html?mode=jqm
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/n...320-e559-11e4-93ad-dbffd6e2dfd8.html?mode=jqm
……forgetit
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Well not illigal, just against the organizations rules. At worst you can be court marshelled and dishonorably discharged I think.
OriginofHysteria
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I'm personally on the side of the Air Force girl. While she did swear an oath to protect the flag and the freedom it stands for, I dont blame her for wanting to stop that protest.
That's a life ruiner. I should have said, goes against the Uniform Code of Military Justice instead of just saying illegal.
She took an oath to protect this country and its people.
googleplex
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No she didn't She did NOT swear an oath to protect a Flag.
i did not know about the term block busting, TBH. I'm not completely ignorant of the situation of blacks in the US, but the op says they were protesting the US government treatment of blacks. that's kind of vague.
i honestly don't care they were stomping a flag. it's their right. i don't agree with it, but i wouldn't have stopped them.
You don't have to support the protesters. From the sounds of them I certainly don't. But I do support that form of free speech which is protected.
It just bothers me when people just say everything is bad in a broad brush stroke. Protest in itself like that is not bad.
On a side note I am really sick and probably grabbed your post out of my frustration and it seems like you didn't even mean what I thought you meant so my bad.
That specific one?
It doesn't matter if she wanted to stop it, she should be an adult and have the self control to think with her head and not with her gut.
……forgetit
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the protest was kind of vague from what everyone who was their keeps telling me.
Mammoth Jones
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Have you watched the news the last few weeks?
yes, and i also know the difference between the US government and city PD.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Please tell me you're not American and are still in high school
Gordon Shumway
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We have the clapping madness..our wits, diseased!
i'm sorry?
Recovering_Jedi
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I can respect the right of the people to walk on the flag, but why arrest the veteran?
Couldn't they just escort her from the area? No reason to arrest anyone in that situation.
Couldn't they just escort her from the area? No reason to arrest anyone in that situation.
There's only so much politeness you can have when you ask them to give back stolen property and they are clinging to it going "NO!".
Mammoth Jones
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Turns out stealing someone's property is illegal.
Because she committed a theft, refused to return the property, and resisted when police attempted to take it back. As it is, she wasn't charged with anything.
Since someone brought this up I'm curious about this now. What freedoms are military people exactly fighting for? I always see people say this online, any insight on this?
The police are part of the government.
This is a very important question to ask. My father was an Army vet, and the only reason he joined the military was because he practically failed out of high school, had no other choice and had an able body. Now that he is older he acts like he has the moral high ground because he "sacrificed for his country" (despite having constantly bitched about nearly all the circumstances surrounding his deployments), and loves to judge people's actions especially when he finds them unpatriotic. He hates people that aren't American in the "right way".
Simply being a veteran shouldn't place anyone above the fucking law or the freedoms of American citizens. You can protest the protest if you want, but don't break the law and infringe on other's rights.
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