smokeandmirrors
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Irrelevant. Everyone has the right to peacefully protest no matter what.
Flag Desecration at Georgia school. Veteran arrested while trying to stop it.
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Irrelevant. Everyone has the right to peacefully protest no matter what.
……forgetit
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Like I said, I hate everyone involved.
It's not just the sins of the next generation because those sins are continuously being played out today. You can sit there all day and claim what the founding fathers actually wanted to what actually occurred. Some of the nations founding fathers who acted like slavery was abhorrent owned slaves at the time. Some of the founding fathers saw anyone who was not a white male less human than others and treated them as such, not just slaves either. The point is, they wanted to take oppression away but only from a privileged class. To say the majority were doing it for some altruistic greater good that would occur at some later date is ludicrous IMO. Even though that is force fed to us in history class. Does that mean every single one felt that way? Of course not but I would never kid myself into believing that they were an exception rather than the rule.
Miles Quaritch
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Nationalism has always struck me as weird.
It's just a flag. A piece of cloth with some random colours and shapes... Burning, trampling, destroying it doesn't really matter.
If the ideals it supposedly represents are strong enough, they'll be able to stand on their own...
It's just a flag. A piece of cloth with some random colours and shapes... Burning, trampling, destroying it doesn't really matter.
If the ideals it supposedly represents are strong enough, they'll be able to stand on their own...
WayneMorse
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The girl in that video probably has nor ever will see combat so that's just DoD brainwashing right there.
……forgetit
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Just updating with info as I found it out. I mean my point remains the same, I also updated when I found out the chick had been kicked out of the air force for posing with playboy draped in an American flag.
FREE SPEECH FOR HATEMONGERS?
The ACLU has often been at the center of controversy for defending the free speech rights of groups that spew hate, such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Nazis. But if only popular ideas were protected, we wouldn't need a First Amendment. History teaches that the first target of government repression is never the last. If we do not come to the defense of the free speech rights of the most unpopular among us, even if their views are antithetical to the very freedom the First Amendment stands for, then no one's liberty will be secure. In that sense, all First Amendment rights are "indivisible."
Censoring so-called hate speech also runs counter to the long-term interests of the most frequent victims of hate: racial, ethnic, religious and sexual minorities. We should not give the government the power to decide which opinions are hateful, for history has taught us that government is more apt to use this power to prosecute minorities than to protect them. As one federal judge has put it, tolerating hateful speech is "the best protection we have against any Nazi-type regime in this country."
At the same time, freedom of speech does not prevent punishing conduct that intimidates, harasses, or threatens another person, even if words are used. Threatening phone calls, for example, are not constitutionally protected.
King Tubby
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Still protected speech. Doesn't really change any of the facts, although I guess it might make the offense taken more understandable.
EDIT: Actually, maybe not? Although I don't think anyone gets prosecuted for such nowadays.
Angry Puppy
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The protest is stupid but they have the right to do it.
I believe it is better to do more work than less in proving a point.Africanus, sometimes you put wayyyy too much work dissecting something.
It is amusing the effort you put in though and you are one of my favorite newer posters
But thanks ^_^.
Erin S Kittens
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LOL at people getting upset about Black supremacy groups.
What?
I don't find armed insurgency to be a very appealing route to travel on the road to equality in the United States.
However, even if this group is promoting such an ideal (which I desire to see evidence video that they are), it is irrelevant to the main story. A woman attempted to steal a flag in misguided patriotism and was duly arrested.
……forgetit
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Not upset, I guess it came off that way because I was looking at this as a news story at first. It doesn't matter what they were saying, just that they had the right to say it. I just found everything around this story more interesting the more details I learned.
I literally meant that this story is getting better, as in more interesting lol.
Erin S Kittens
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I'm not a fan of guns, myself, but I'm definitely supportive of marginalized groups arming themselves in self-defense. You're right, though, about its relevancy to the topic at hand.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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that fair and unbiased protection of free speech
……forgetit
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It is irrelavent to whether or not the woman should have been arrested, she should have and was, but I just thought it was an interesting tidbit. As far as proof goes, all I have is my friends who was there and spoke to the protestors. It's a guy I trust so I'm taking his word on it.
How would you feel if you were born into a country, told you were a citizen of that country, told that this is the land of freedom and equality, then were treated like you were not worthy to be a part of that country? The people protesting are protesting the unfair treatment of minority "Americans", that in many cases, do not get treated like Americans at all, not even human. How would you feel? I'm really interested.
Camelthepope
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Van doesn't get it. I am military, I do not care that these people protest things I may not support. I support them doing it even if I don't agree.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Not really. If they were, I'd laugh, but they can do that. Stop assuming things.
You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.
Oh I know, and I did not want to appear as if I was calling you out.
zer0blivion
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People get way too worked up over their symbols.
Now, I could be wholly wrong about this but... I sincerely doubt the Quran mentions anything about flag burning being essential to Islam.
Eighty Deuce
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Desecration of the flag is the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum, it should be ignored.
Considering their heads would be on pikes if this wasn't any European/American territory they should be more grateful for the country they fucking live in.
But veteran lady getting arrested is what should have happened. Sure I absolutely despise the group but legally they did nothing wrong.
But veteran lady getting arrested is what should have happened. Sure I absolutely despise the group but legally they did nothing wrong.
……forgetit
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Eh, they'd actually be fine in the vast majority of sovereign nations and your right to protest is part of that.
WayneMorse
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They should be grateful of the centuries of injustice their country has inflicted upon them?
Hoho for breakfast
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Well let me tell you. I'm a vet and it feels just fine.
Ideally I fought for freedom. That includes freedom of speech which I may completely disagree with. I'm not saying the "Air Force is a idiot" but I am saying this woman is a thief and justice was served.
As Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"...
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It was the school's role to suppress free speech?
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
No shit. If I was a black American stepping on the flag would be the least I would do.
And the last time American soldiers fought for for "freedom" was the second world war. Get over this hero worship nonsense for your military, it's fucking ridiculous. They are a necessity, and being a soldier is a tough and risky job for sure, but they're NOT fighting for freedom.
FairXchange
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Are you asking? In the USA, yes it is.
The distinction the US Supreme Court makes is that hate speech that incites violence against any individual or group is illegal.
Riposte
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On their grounds, yes.
A few million died just so citizens can be allowed to walk on that flag.
Jest Chillin
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Or if it incites/results in an illegal act in general. But otherwise spot on.
Erin S Kittens
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American schools are only allowed to suppress student speech if it disrupts learning in the classroom. They can't tone-police peaceful flag-burning demonstrations (or bar a female student from wearing a tux to prom).
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Huh.
Public university. Who has come out and said they let people protest and debate on their ground.
……forgetit
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That's illegal bro.
Jest Chillin
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Guys.. many Universities disallow free speech or only allow them in "free speech zones." I don't know about the legalities of it.. but it's pretty commonly practiced.
Riposte
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I figured if someone made a stink it would be considered disruptive, but I guess I'm not fully aware of their powers.
EDIT: They are not actually a club, which means they don't have pressures of being associated with the school as I thought.
Out in a greenery area you can easily get around. They aren't disrupting classes or an actual events, they're in a public space that the woman stealing flags could leave at any time and they weren't blocking her from going where she needed to go.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Lemme go look for the overlap in people who are in their feelings about this but go out of their way to defend bigoted speech
ReplacementPelican
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So they do this so that someone else can do something but when they do it then you have to stop them?
Erin S Kittens
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There's that not-so-subtle white supremacy.
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