George Oscar Bluth II
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2
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liliththepale
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Yeah, it's definitely still all kinds of wrong.
Just realized I said "suns orbiting Coruscant." The prequels have done such damage to my brain that I think in 16th century science.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Maybe Coruscant is the most massive object in the system
All that Jedi Smug is denser than a neutron star
Was that fucking Dalek at 11:51? Is that something they added for this video or was in actually in the movie?
Holy shit how have I never seen this? The dance fight is killing me.
CloudyTuba
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My wishlist for a future release. I'd like a branching bluray that has options for the original original, and a hybrid.
A New Hope
-Get rid of the rock. It's not a huge deal, just.. why? If they were consistent then I wouldn't care, but the rock is clearly not there anymore once R2 leaves. Pick one or the other.
-Change Obiwan's scream back to original. New one sounds...WTF I dont even know.
-Remove Jabba scene. The dialogue is repeated and the CGI is bad.
-Han shoots ONLY.
+Fine with keeping everything else. Especially the new ship stuff.
Empire Strikes Back
-Put back "Bring my shuttle." If you want to keep the extra shuttle footage, fine. I just want the original dialogue.
-Edit the new emperor footage to be in creepy shadow like the original. I like having Ian as emperor with new look and dialogue, I just miss the shadows.
-R2 doesnt taste very good! Not a big deal I just like the old line better.
+All those matte line fixes are good, keep it!
Return of the Jedi
-Just give me the original. This movie got wrecked by special editions.
-Especially remove the new dance number and Hayden. Like burn the prints or something. God.
-And what was wrong with the original Sarlac? Shit.
-And why mess with the tension of not knowing what happened to the green dancer?
-Showing the populations of the galaxy rejoicing is a neat idea, if it wasnt bad CGI and if it didnt include a Gungan.
-Fuck why, in general.
-If you want to change something, make Boba Fett not die like an idiot. Make Han do it on purpose or something, I dont know. Then leave the entire rest of the movie alone.
Well, we already know they aren't removing the Jabba scene for the 4k restoration. That is a scene that Devin Faraci has said he has heard got a new CGI model.
And Making Star Wars has said the upcoming 4K remasters are the bluray edits.
I wouldn't get hopes up for these sort of wishlist "fixes" really.
At best expect a cleaner transfer of the bluray edits with some cgi characters getting some redone models.
And Making Star Wars has said the upcoming 4K remasters are the bluray edits.
I wouldn't get hopes up for these sort of wishlist "fixes" really.
At best expect a cleaner transfer of the bluray edits with some cgi characters getting some redone models.
Bobby Roberts
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But they're not the blu-ray edits if there's changes to them. MSW isn't infallible, man. They fucked up the trailer details (and "debunked" the audio from the trailer, too - that's not getting into the other hoaxing horseshit they got caught doing recently)
It's possible, especially considering at least two things in Star Wars are being altered, that other changes are going to be applied. I'm not gonna rule it out, myself. But I'm not gonna be disappointed if those are the only two changes applied to the films, either.
I hope they'll add more CGI. More digital animals, digital shit in the background like trees or mountains, spaceships. Chewbacca? Digitalize that. Ewoks? You bet. Fuck it, throw in Gungangs in all the episodes, have one appear in the bar in Ep IV. That fat barkeeper in Ep 2? He's there, too. Greebo shot first? Remove Han's shot completely, he's a good guy, Greebo just dies of a heart attack. Vader's scream? Not enough. Hire James Earl Jones and record even more lines, like "He will hurt Luke, my son, if I don't stop him!".
Replace the current BluRays completely with this new, enhanced special edition.
Replace the current BluRays completely with this new, enhanced special edition.
liliththepale
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Also, change Han's "I know" back to "I love you, too."
Thing is, vinyl can and does sound excellent. VHS (consumer level wise) was always garbage.
Brilliant. You know what? Throw in something for the hardcore fans, add a digital Bobba Fett escaping the Sarlacc. They'll eat that shit up. They won't be able to stop themselves from buying the edition.
Fuck it, put "New Canon" stickers on the box as well.
All this crap aside, I don't really mind the changes to the originals too much. They don't really sour my experience, even if I consider them unnecessary.
No one is infallible, I am just saying given the track record of not only them, but how Lucasfilm tends to operate coming up with a lengthy wishlist of things they hope will be undone in the 4k re-release is a fools errand. They aren't going to ever be axing big stuff like Hayden. Stuff Lucas talks about on the actual commentary for the film.
No one at Lucasfilm is going to be directly contradicting stuff Lucas was pretty adamant about. I am not talking about different audio takes and the like here which change often between editions.
Bobby Roberts
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There'll be a 15 minute documentary on how they got two people to go in the Threepio & Artoo suits, turned them upside down, and buried them in sand for a day, and rented a crane and a helicopter to re-do the shot of them being rescued from Jabba's sail barge.
It'll be called The Power of Practical Effects.
It's a poor, Outer Rim world on the outskirts of civilization, they can't just buy loads of water.
Bobby Roberts
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The list I saw posted wasn't lengthy. It was what, 3 changes per movie? If that?
But it appears that's already happening with Han & Greedo.
That is something that has been tweaked in every release and far less significant that Hayden. Lucas even talked about why he appears that way in the commentary.
And I was referring to the list by SillyNonsense.
Bobby Roberts
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A tweak isn't the same as a reversion, though. If they're completely jettisoning the change (which was, I believe, the first change Lucas ever mentioned wanting to make to the film - I believe he mentiones wanting to do it in the Skywalking biography from the mid-80s) then that means it's up in the air as to whether or not other changes can be yoinked as well.
BFIB
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What makes that scene so magical though is the fact that you can tell Vader is slowly realizing the love for his son. You don't need words to express that.
I am saying they will only tweak things Lucas himself was fine with tweaking. He did not give the impression he would be ok with axing Hayden. He has talked multiple times why he made that chance. That is a very different situation.
the movies have countless changes.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...ed-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/topic/12713/
https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/5932164278535972945?sort=1
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...20-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/12511/#TopicPost474939
https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...SC-DVD5-available-SEE-FIRST-POST/topic/12905/
https://plus.google.com/photos/1096...ms/5648925209674175009?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1
Bobby Roberts
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Not the list either of us were referencing.
what list was that?
Bobby Roberts
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Bobby Roberts
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It's weird that for being the versions that kicked off all this constant/continual revisionism, the 97 Special Editions are probably the hardest to find in decent quality. The originals have the DeSpecialized editions, the DVD cuts are super-prominent and easy to find, same with the blu-ray, but if you want the 97 Special Editions - you HAVE to settle for Laserdisc quality at best. Nothing higher.
Wait isn't the 97 version where it all went to shit? Isn't the 85 version the desired ones?
CloudyTuba
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Oh I'm not actually expecting any of that to happen for the 4k release. That would be silly. I'm just imagining what would be my ideal release if I got my way.
Not saying it can't devolve into that. But that always seems to happen. It's been nearly 20 years. Can't believe people still have enough energy to be bothered about the SE changes anymore.
We have had the SEs as the "only" version of the film almost as long as we had the pre-SEs at this point.
BFIB
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I just love chatting anything Star Wars.
I did finally get to see Hamill's sit down at Celebration. Dude looks great!
About Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw at the end, do you guys just hate it cause it's Christensen or as a concept (he went back to how he was before)?
Personally, I think the scene is terrible because of the smug face he gives, it's just terrible. As a concept, I don't disagree with what Lucas thinks but they could have done a much better job adding him in. I'd take the Shaw scene over what we have currently just because of this.
Also legit question: Do some people actually prefer Yub Nub over the Victory Celebration song? If so why? After rewatching the scene I feel the Victory Celebration song fits so well and hits the mark for the conclusion.
Personally, I think the scene is terrible because of the smug face he gives, it's just terrible. As a concept, I don't disagree with what Lucas thinks but they could have done a much better job adding him in. I'd take the Shaw scene over what we have currently just because of this.
Also legit question: Do some people actually prefer Yub Nub over the Victory Celebration song? If so why? After rewatching the scene I feel the Victory Celebration song fits so well and hits the mark for the conclusion.
brandonh83
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IIRC Hayden didn't even know it was being filmed as a scene. Lucas did it as a surprise for him by putting him in VI, so Hayden wasn't even aware. It looked awful, but nice sentiment I guess.
Robdraggoo
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Until Disney decides to give us the orginals, in thier original forms on blu-ray. everyone just head down to your local goodwill and grab a VCR for 5 bucks and the tilogy on video for about .50 each. best 6.50 you'll ever spend.
The problem is that Obi-Wan stays old and Anakin stays young. Why should the good guy stay old and the bad guy given youth? It makes no sense, and comes across as just an addition that is only there to acknowledge that the prequels exist.
As far as the Victory Celebration song; it is definitely better than the original Yub Nub. Sure, Yub Nub was collaborated by Williams' son, so John Williams' himself would have sentimental reasons to have it there; and people may have nostalgia for it from watching the original RotJ; but the new Victory Celebration is far superior as an ending. It's simply better music and makes for a better closure to the movies.
BFIB
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I wonder had Hayden knew, if he would have been OK with it? He really took the role seriously, its just a shame he didn't have proper direction behind it. In all of the interviews, you could really tell he loved playing the role of Anakin, and really fought hard to get to film himself in the suit at the end.
For the most part I don't mind the SE changes, but I'd really appreciate touch ups on the CG used in the added scenes. Also, remove those rocks in front of R2, replace drunk Obi scream, and the "nooo!" in ROTJ. And replace the song/dance scene with the original. But if they HAVE to keep it it, please touch it up. At least remove/replace the big mouth thing shoving its damn tonsil in front of the viewer's face.
As for Hayden's ghost. I hate it on multiple levels. First off he's aged, so it doesn't make sense to use a younger version of himself. Plus his younger self was not "pure" in the light side. It was his recent self that was restored. It was much more powerful to see Sebastian Shaw, because his force ghost had a restored body. He was also an appropriate age compared to Luke, him being his father and all. Plus it was Sebastian Shaw whose face Luke got to see. He actually got to see his fathers face. Which was incredibly powerful. Then to see him restored and at peace. It was a great scene.
But yeah the face is kind of smug, only makes it that much worse.
Yes I do prefer Yub Nub because it's like a private victory. It's much closer to the battle and those who actually struggled. The Victory Celebration introduces a bunch of camera cuts which are at odds with the rest of the films style. It's so far removed from any individual emotion. Once it roles you find yourself just waiting for the credits to come so you can get our of your seat and take a piss.
As far as i know, have read, he has said that if he had known what was going to happen, he would have acted the scene differently (IIRC Anakin looks kind of creepy in the final scene, not happy like Shaw's Anakin did).
I have no problem with Anakin, not exactly. I have a problem with Lucas replacing Shaw just because. The concept of changing the scene is terrible. (Ironically, Shaw didn't know about the scene either, he thought it was a promo shot or something, AFAIK.)
I am not opposed to updating CGI effects or fixing obvious errors (one reason i don't care for the "despecialized" editions, because they also remove fixes that are good). But replacing actors, performances? No, just no (except Ian McDiarmid as emperor in the ESB, though the changes to the dialogue are questionable).
If Lucas had used an aged Christensen and actually shot footage specifically for that insert it would probably have been acceptable. Sebastian Shaw looks even older than Alec Guiness so I understand why he wanted to change it.
Sadly George couldn't be bothered so he just scrounged some costume test footage from ROTS and chucked it in there (despite Christensen doing an evil stare at the end), then made up some bullshit explanation. Not only is it lazy but it shows how little George actually cares about the movie, because it ruins the moment. But in his deranged mind he has 'fixed' the problem of how old Anakin looked, and he didn't even have to shoot any new footage! Masterfully done!
What really pisses me off about Hayden in ROTJ is that I don't associate that Anakin look, the ROTS look of Anakin with the long hair, as the good man before he succumbed to the dark side. That's the weak man who actually fell to the dark side. That's the bad guy who walked around the whole movie scowling and scream talking at Obi-Wan at the end.
But Sebastian Shaw who is revealed as the vulnerable old man when the Vader mask is removed is the good man. He has overcome the dark side and redeemed himself. The Vader persona is literally removed to reveal Anakin.
Not to mention the whole inconsistency with Obi-wan and Yoda being old ghosts and Anakin being young, and Luke having just seen and connected with the old version of his father rather than the young idiot version.
But Sebastian Shaw who is revealed as the vulnerable old man when the Vader mask is removed is the good man. He has overcome the dark side and redeemed himself. The Vader persona is literally removed to reveal Anakin.
Not to mention the whole inconsistency with Obi-wan and Yoda being old ghosts and Anakin being young, and Luke having just seen and connected with the old version of his father rather than the young idiot version.
Yub Nub is way better than the Special edition music. Editing is all weird in that new version and out of sync. The whole celebration works better on a small scale.
And yes, Shaw's force ghost getting cut out is a shame since his reaction to Luke there are so much better than Hayden's smug look. Shaw is basically saying "You were right about me Luke!!" while Hayden is like "dude I'm here".
And yes, Shaw's force ghost getting cut out is a shame since his reaction to Luke there are so much better than Hayden's smug look. Shaw is basically saying "You were right about me Luke!!" while Hayden is like "dude I'm here".
I hate it for two main reasons:
1. It's a completely unnecessary change and is just another hamfisted attempt by Lucas to connect the OT to the PT (like the infuriating "celebration" scenes in the SE's, conveniently featuring planets that are important in the PT).
2. It makes no sense. The whole point of the Force Ghosts is that it's Luke seeing them as HE REMEMBERS THEM!!!! He never met "young Anakin," so him seeing that version makes no sense. If Lucas was going to do that, then he should have replaced Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor and puppet Yoda with crappy CGI Yoda as well. So there's no consistency to it either.
1. It's a completely unnecessary change and is just another hamfisted attempt by Lucas to connect the OT to the PT (like the infuriating "celebration" scenes in the SE's, conveniently featuring planets that are important in the PT).
2. It makes no sense. The whole point of the Force Ghosts is that it's Luke seeing them as HE REMEMBERS THEM!!!! He never met "young Anakin," so him seeing that version makes no sense. If Lucas was going to do that, then he should have replaced Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor and puppet Yoda with crappy CGI Yoda as well. So there's no consistency to it either.
Shrennin
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I think the obvious solution is just to recreate the prequel trilogy with a better story, better writing, and better direction (since stuff like the Clone Wars is canon, then I suppose that the remade prequels could include everything mentioned in Clone Wars as far as characters that originated from the PT but just write them in better and make certain ones -- Jar Jar -- less important). At the very worst, Clone Wars (and maybe Rebels?) would no longer be canon but that could be a necessary evil in order to get rid of the tarnish that the PT has done to the legacy. After that's done, Disney can just release their own versions of the OT either with no corrections at all, or corrections that make sense (but reverse all the poorly thought out ones that Lucas released).
With that said, I realize this is highly unlikely to happen, but I can dream. I can dream.
With that said, I realize this is highly unlikely to happen, but I can dream. I can dream.
The thing about the prequels—and a big reason for why they're pretty terrible in the first place—is that so little new information is actually revealed. All the Clone Wars stuff exists in its own little vacuum and has basically no influence on Anakin's fall. It's six hours of dull politiking where nothing happens to no result. Really, the only part of the prequels that needs to be retconned or redone at all is the 10-15 minutes of plot we get with Anakin chatting with Palpatine because everything else can—and will—be ignored.
I'm fine with some of the changes:
-I genuinely liked them having ESB holo-Emperor look like Ian McDiarmid. Although I didn't like the change in dialogue. Keep the Ian, but use the original dialogue.
-I didn't mind the new Sarlacc look. Actually, I prefer it because it looks like an actual animal now.
-I thought that SOME of the "touchups" to the effects worked ok.
But a lot of the rest of it was just unnecessary, distracting, or downright anger-inducing.
-I genuinely liked them having ESB holo-Emperor look like Ian McDiarmid. Although I didn't like the change in dialogue. Keep the Ian, but use the original dialogue.
-I didn't mind the new Sarlacc look. Actually, I prefer it because it looks like an actual animal now.
-I thought that SOME of the "touchups" to the effects worked ok.
But a lot of the rest of it was just unnecessary, distracting, or downright anger-inducing.
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