Marvel will unveil another gay character tomorrow

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Ultima_5 said:
how would you have introduced more sexual orientation into comic books? the wording is pretty bad, but in the long run it doesn't matter
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You just make it there, over time if need be. This is like an awkward "time out" from the story to loudly express an issue that never really came up before.
 
Spork4000 said:
He's always been the character that dated the most, the gay jokes were more because of his costume. Revealing him as gay doesn't bother me at all though, it's everything else that's confusing.
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It really still wouldn't fit for the character as we've seen, but it would have been much less confusing if it was present day Ice Man stating he was gay. Instead of doing a longer arch of a character having conflict and finally realizing who they are over time in a poignant story arch, Marvel allows Bendis to write poorly written crap like this.
 
Iceman use to date Cloud, an alien that changed genders depending who it was interacting with

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Wow, that writing is terrible holy shit. Nobody saw this before it got printed and thought "hey maybe you should think about this again". I'm all for more diversity but we can do better than this no?
 
Trojita said:
It really still wouldn't fit for the character as we've seen, but it would have been much less confusing if it was present day Ice Man stating he was gay. Instead of doing a longer arch of a character having conflict and finally realizing who they are over time in a poignant story arch, Marvel allows Bendis to write poorly written crap like this.
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I hope it's revealed that the past X-men are actually from a different reality all together. I hate the idea of past Iceman being gay and future iceman being straight. It makes my skin crawl a bit that they basically implied he eventually unlearned being gay.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
Implication seems to be that older Iceman is "full gay" too but never accepted it, which is why he fails at relationships with women.
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yeah I just read that page......

It really shouldn't even work like that, the only time machine in Marvel that actually affects the present(all other time machines work more like parallel universe machines) is Dr.Doom's.

But Bendis doesn't give a shit about that so eh.
 
Ultima_5 said:
how would you have introduced more sexual orientation into comic books? the wording is pretty bad, but in the long run it doesn't matter
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Superhero has a fear of his sexuality getting out or some sort of uncertainty in himself? You telling me you wouldn't do an arc with Mojo or Daken or various psychic villains using that to get an advantage and fuck with him letting him come out while performing some kind of heroic feat while doing so?

Rather than 'psychic girl tells you that you're gay'
 
Razmos said:
Or she's just helping him come to terms with it because she can see a part of him that he is actively trying to hide away.
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She shouldn't be in his mind in the first place.

Edit: I'm pretty sure characters have been giving her shit for doing that for a while. I don't know why it's being portrayed in a positive light here.
 
Spork4000 said:
I hope it's revealed that the past X-men are actually from a different reality all together. I hate the idea of past Iceman being gay and future iceman being straight. It makes my skin crawl a bit that they basically implied he eventually unlearned being gay.
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He mutated his gay gene obviously. Christians thought it was super cool.
 
Talk about garbage writing with the touch of a sledgehammer. No subtlety at all there Bendis

After seeing him hook up with countless women in 20 years of X-Men comics it feels forced
 
graffix13 said:
If that happens, I'm dropping the X-books (how many are remaining that is) after 25+ years of collecting. The O5 just doesn't interest me (unless it's reading the original Lee/Kirby material).
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They lost me at AvX. Hearing about this time travel nonsense sure didn't make me want to come back.
80's X-Men is best X-Men.
 
captainpat said:
Well, I certainly wouldn't have their sexuality wholly determined by another character’s analysis of them.
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that's young jean's shtick at the moment

Fury451 said:
You just make it there, over time if need be. This is like an awkward "time out" from the story to loudly express an issue that never really came up before.
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they've done that with plenty of other characters over the years

Spork4000 said:
I hope it's revealed that the past X-men are actually from a different reality all together. I hate the idea of past Iceman being gay and future iceman being straight. It makes my skin crawl a bit that they basically implied he eventually unlearned being gay.
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that is pretty weird. maybe he's just repressing it
 
Spork4000 said:
I hope it's revealed that the past X-men are actually from a different reality all together. I hate the idea of past Iceman being gay and future iceman being straight. It makes my skin crawl a bit that they basically implied he eventually unlearned being gay.
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I don't think he "unlearned" being gay...at least that's not what I got from the panel posted a few pages back.

More like he repressed it, because he couldn't handle being both a mutant AND gay.

I could be wrong.
 
Tyrant Rave said:
Don't judge the entire state of the medium off of one comic, let alone one written by Brian Michael Bendis in the year 2015.
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I've been to enough comic conventions in the last few years to know that the entire independent comics scene more than makes up for much of the weak and awkward writing that has invaded much of Marvel and DC these last few years. I'm a big supporter of the CBLDF.

Of course, I actively stopped reading a bunch of the superhero comics about the time that we had like.. five "Supermans" running around and the whole terrible "Crimson Spider-Man - Parker's Parents are alive" bit. I pop back into Marvel & DC stuff every now and again though. The sooner Bendis becomes a "convention hopper," the better, I suppose. That page is full of panels that a good editor should have vetoed.
 
I feel there's still an issue with bisexual characters being seen as having loose morals because the idea is that they'll "sleep with anyone" or something
 
Ultima_5 said:
they've done that with plenty of other characters over the years
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Exactly. And it was handled better. This was handled in the worst and most blatant way possible. It is literally explained to the character and subsequently the audience, for really no reason.
 
Fury451 said:
Exactly. And it was handled better. This was handled in the worst and most blatant way possible. It is literally explained to the character and subsequently the audience, for really no reason.
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honestly my guess is that the young x-men will be the only x-men after the secret wars in a few months so they're trying to shoehorn in some character development before that so they don't have to deal with it afterwards
 
Gotta thank Bendis for the dumbing down of a generation, he even dumbs down his own 'good' work now.

The best thing to read in this vein would be Vertigo's
Engima
. No idea how to recommend that without spoilers, don't spoil yourself if you haven't read the thing you can't spoil yourself on.

Fuck.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
From the same issue as the "Young Bobby comes out" reveal:
it looks like young Angel (who remains changed by the Black Vortex) and X-23 are in a relationship now, after he tells her he loves her and they kiss.
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What the hell kind of
cosmic potential does Angel have?

That is like Toad unleashing his potiental.
 
Ultima_5 said:
honestly my guess is that the young x-men will be the only x-men after the secret wars in a few months so they're trying to shoehorn in some character development before that so they don't have to deal with it afterwards
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Okay, I guess that's fair enough as far as explanations go. It's still awful, but if they're attempting to set up future dynamics, there's some payoff potential.
 
graffix13 said:
I don't think he "unlearned" being gay...at least that's not what I got from the panel posted a few pages back.

More like he repressed it, because he couldn't handle being both a mutant AND gay.

I could be wrong.
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I read it as Jean already scanning current Iceman and learning he was straight, hence the confusing situation.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
Basically assuring that if anyone wants to enjoy comics any more, they have to live in the past.
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X-men alone: New X-Men (Granted I think the art sucks), Astonishing X-men, Wolverine and the X-men, Uncanny X-Force.

Great books can still be made. The problem at times seems to be that Marvel allows "veterans" of the industry to be in charge of many books of their main properties. These "veterans" have shown they can't write any longer. Marvel for some reason doesn't want to get rid of some of these guys.
 
Posting full scans of an unreleased comic is a big no-no. Take those down before Comics GAF gets banished to...community where we already are!
 
Opinionatedfish said:
I've been to enough comic conventions in the last few years to know that the entire independent comics scene more than makes up for much of the weak and awkward writing that has invaded much of Marvel and DC these last few years. I'm a big supporter of the CBLDF.

Of course, I actively stopped reading a bunch of the superhero comics about the time that we had like.. five "Supermans" running around and the whole terrible "Crimson Spider-Man - Parker's Parents are alive" bit. I pop back into Marvel & DC stuff every now and again though. The sooner Bendis becomes a "convention hopper," the better, I suppose. That page is full of panels that a good editor should have vetoed.
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I don't disagree with your comment on editors at all, it's completely true. Bendis just has too much pull and no one seems to care. Several issues of Guardians of the Galaxy spelled Richard Rider's name wrong and he also changed Knowhere, which is a floating celestial head in space, to a planet IIRC. No explanation or anything.

The dude has written two legendary runs for Marvel (Daredevil and Ultimate Spidey), but they really should not be afraid to jump in every now and then.
 
I just want to point out, DC had a perfectly competent gay character for a decent amount of time before it decided to screw with the creative behind it (Batwoman).

One of the only good things to come out of the New 52. Screw DC and Marvel.

Trojita said:
X-men alone: New X-Men (Granted I think the art sucks), Astonishing X-men, Wolverine and the X-men, Uncanny X-Force.

Great books can still be made. The problem at times seems to be that Marvel allows "veterans" of the industry to be in charge of many books of their main properties. These "veterans" have shown they can't write any longer. Marvel for some reason doesn't want to get rid of some of these guys.
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By past, I meant before Marvel NOW and New 52. Those X-books are all some of my favorites. Anything that comes out now has a "we'll see" label on it. I know Snyder is still doing the lord's work on Batman, and there are a few good writers out there. I rather find out after the fact whether it's good or not, though.
 
Have they had Daken romance young Jean yet?

Because that's the perfect 'fuck you, dad' moment. Or is Daken still living in a box with the Reaper?
LaunchpadMcQ said:
I just want to point out, DC had a perfectly competent gay character for a decent amount of time before it decided to screw with the creative behind it (Batwoman).

One of the only good things to come out of the New 52. Screw DC and Marvel.
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Marvel has Moondragon and Phyla Vell
 
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