Marvel will unveil another gay character tomorrow
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there are retcons and then there are retcons...
one is done to give some substance to a character who was Spidey-lite with the exception that he is blind and other one is just cause Bendis wants to.
and the second one is done with stupid logic to boot. Failed relationships is the norm for most heroes, especially male ones. Who else is 'closeted gay'?
SenorArdilla
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Because everyone's "bi". So says time-displaced Jean Grey.
Can we post [unofficially?] released pages or not just yet?
There's 6 pages out online of Bobby and Jean's conversation and they talk about Future Bobby and how he dated women. Jean counters with a "Not well." Bobby counters that Future Bobby dated Kitty Pryde. Jean says "And now she's in space." She suggests that maybe hiding his sexuality was easier than hiding being gay AND being a mutant at the time. Bobby suggests that he might be bisexual. Jean counters with "They say everybody is. But I think you're more... full gay." Bobby sighs giving in and says, "Yeah. I know."
Favorite line:
Bobby: "Why everyone is in love with you, I have no idea."
Jean: "Yeah, because you're gay."
Outing aside, Jean kept slaying me with her bluntness!
There's 6 pages out online of Bobby and Jean's conversation and they talk about Future Bobby and how he dated women. Jean counters with a "Not well." Bobby counters that Future Bobby dated Kitty Pryde. Jean says "And now she's in space." She suggests that maybe hiding his sexuality was easier than hiding being gay AND being a mutant at the time. Bobby suggests that he might be bisexual. Jean counters with "They say everybody is. But I think you're more... full gay." Bobby sighs giving in and says, "Yeah. I know."
Favorite line:
Bobby: "Why everyone is in love with you, I have no idea."
Jean: "Yeah, because you're gay."
Outing aside, Jean kept slaying me with her bluntness!
Father_Brain
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Quieter, more character-driven moments like this normally play to his strengths as a writer.
But then, he's almost never written LGBT characters or attempted to deal with themes of sexual identity in his work.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Um...ok. This strikes me as poorly thought out. It just brings up the argument of gay being a choice vs. biological for no good reason. There are plenty of other characters they could have went with if they felt they had to go with this story. I really wish writers would stop being lazy and doing stuff for this out of shock value and just making it more natural in a characters storyline. Bobby is just about as much a "player" as Angel and Gambit. I mean, the dude had casual sex with Mystique in the middle of a mission for cripes sake.
I don't think that's what they're getting at. They're going for "well Bobby has had to hide it for so long since the 80/90's weren't very kind to Homosexuals. But at this point he's 'dated' women so long that he can't be comfortable with himself and say 'yes, that's what I am' to everyone so he continues to hide it."
But that's probably giving too much credit to the writers.
captainpat
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Victoria Hand and Ultimate spider-woman
That's my big problem with this. Something like this should have been a big character moment where Bobby realizes something about himself and grows as a person because of it. Instead, we get nosy ass Jean being all "You gay, bro. Not bi; don't be silly. You full gay." The moment loses almost all of its impact because of that.
If this turns out to be the case and not Crisis on Infinite X-Men, that's totally what they're going for. It's a real thing that happens and isn't really similar to other, more problematic portrayals. (Willow on Buffy.)
It's not supposed to be a normal moment- he knows, he's been hiding it, but he can't hide it from her and she's calling him on it.
SenorArdilla
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Didn't she try to have sex with present Cyclops at some point and he told her to get bent?
captainpat
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Seriously?
He didn't leak it himself.
googleplex
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He acted like the adult in the room and told her it could never happen and comforted her.
Then Kitty Pride proceeded to bitch at him and threaten to kill him if he did what he said he wouldn't do. All the time she's staying under his roof.
But that just how everyone in the marvel universe treats Cyclops nowadays
Manmademan
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he didn't have to.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
im lost
ill side with scott on that one. kitty seriously needed to chill or get the fuck the out. but shes been on a fucking tear for a damn minute
The man has the patience of a saint.
YesNOnoNOYes
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MHWilliams
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You're trying to ascribe intent and predict outcomes when in actuality you know neither.
Miller was able to do whatever he wanted on Daredevil because the comic was on the verge of cancellation.
http://www.nycgraphicnovelists.com/2010/12/frank-miller-part-1-dames-dark-knights.html
So he brought together two things he loved crime noir and manga - a girlfriend had given him Lone Wolf and Cub prior to his time on Daredevil, which began his long love affair with Japanese concepts like samurai and ninja, as noted by his follow-up work, Ronin - and it worked. Elektra was a direct ripoff of a Will Eisner character. He was given free rein, made arbitrary decisions based on what he liked (for example, Matt's loving father became an abusive alcoholic, something they later walked back a bit) and it all came together. To call it more than that is revisionist history. (Here's his thoughts on some of the random changes Miller made to the character.) Miller's work is always a product on his current emotional state.
Which is again to say, we have no clue why this was done or where the idea is headed.
Daredevil.
Don't you worry. Big things are in store for Scott.
Lets be real they should have left Kitty in that giant space bullet. Vampire Jubilee is a better character at this point.
Bendis has managed to make both Jean and Kitty intolerable in his tenure, bravo.
Looks like we have to wait till the 21st of May to find out whether current Bobby is a self repressed homosexual or young Bobby is an alternate reality young Bobby.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
This is what I'm thinking too
SenorArdilla
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How does time travel work in Marvel comics?
Who will be gay Nate Grey or Cable? I am thinking Cable because Nate Grey already had sex with a clone of his mother.
When you time travel you create an alternate universe. One where you travel to the past or the future , and no matter what you do your "home" timeline/universe stays unchanged unless you got some major cosmic juice or Doom's time travel tech.
gutter_trash
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They just roommates like Threes Company
http://www.mtv.com/news/2139639/iceman-gay-all-new-x-men-axel-alonso-interview/
We'll see soon enough.
We'll see soon enough.
Emperor_EL
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Maybe they'll pair him up with Howlett(Gay Wolverine from an alternate universe).
Marvel really dropped the ball by not giving him a solo book or a book featuring him & Colonel Scott Summers(Black Cyclops from an alternate universe who was a Union soldier during the Civil War) & their wacky 616 (mis)adventures.
Marvel really dropped the ball by not giving him a solo book or a book featuring him & Colonel Scott Summers(Black Cyclops from an alternate universe who was a Union soldier during the Civil War) & their wacky 616 (mis)adventures.
YesNOnoNOYes
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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
mudcrab,
yay hope they are good things? i've always been a cykey fan ^____^The Silver
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bunch of jerks salty that he's always right.
bengraven
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Well, at least she's not outing him to others. And that she's constantly looking into peoples minds without any sense of privacy has been going on for a while know.
It's also how she found out thatBeast has a crush on her
This issue is great. I love the dynamic between Emma and young Jean. At first she's jealous, but comes to realize the girl needs help and now they have this kind of heated mother/daughter thing. They need each other, even though Jean gets on Emma's nerves and Emma pushes Jean too hard in order to get her to become stronger with her powers.
Coriolanus
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KibblesBits
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and you are comparing one of the best reinventions of a character to one which smacks of awful storytelling and reasoning.
MHWilliams
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Because I have no clue of the outcome of this choice? Yeah. Again, you talk "reasoning" and yet you have no clue what that is. Miller reasoning was "I like this stuff and can easily change Daredevil to make it work."
Is this heavy-handed? Sure. But Bendis' run is ending, so this is something potentially that is set up for another writer to build on.
I know that it contradicts decades worth of storytelling and that the reasons given by the EiC are flimsy
MHWilliams
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Once again, Daredevil was created in 1964. Miller's run started in 1980 and threw out or retcon most of the character up until that point.
That it worked is immaterial to my point. The point is what happens now. The execution of this change going forward is key.
Monocle
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Oh, I agree. Whack anatomy all over the place. I should have clarified I wasn't talking about that hideous picture, lol.
Thunder Monkey
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While true, I always thought Drake was gay.
He's always overcompensated to a crazy degree. The class clown that would pop off with the oversexed innuendo with little in the way of proof that sex ever happened. Very profound connections with male characters and almost nonexistent with his love interests.
Adult Bobby has been in the closet since the 60's. I just wondered when Marvel was going to make it official.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
profound connections between male and female characters isnt a breaking point on whether someone is gay or not. neither is joking innuendo. theres a handful of characters that do. and sex jokes are incredibly common.
I know, right? When I found out one of my co-workers was trans, I was fucking pissed! How dare he retcon himself! Sexuality and gender identity are firmly established the moment I lay eyes on somebody and any change is just unacceptable to be behold!
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