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[ReplacementPelican]

DOFP was either the best or second best comic movie of last year, depending on how you felt about Winter Soldier.

I'm not sure why it seems so divisive, DOFP might be the best Xmen movie ever or at least the best one since X2.

I would say third, Guardians was better in my opinion. I'd also say it was the second best X-Men Movie.

Though with that in mind, 2014 was an amazing year for comic book movies - sans ASM2 - and all three films were brilliant.

 

[Dilly]

I told you guys that the review embargo up until yesterday was a red flag.

The truly great movies have several reviews on RT tomatoes way before wide release (and yes, April 23 IS wide release, I don't care what any of you say about the US not getting it before May 1st...most of the world gets it before then).

Many people were expecting a LOT from this movie because Marvel has been on a roll lately (CA: TWS and Guardians).

What are you even talking about? It's 85% on RT.

 

[The Outsider]

Holy shit, the review hyperbole in this thread is too much. It's almost as if people are looking for a reason to hate the movie. But that's preposterous, isn't it?

 

[SargerusBR]

I just saw the mid credit scene

 

[Kaze Kyou]

In regards to screen time, I'd say one of the positives I got today was that almost all the main characters had a fair share of great moments, with Hawkeye the MVP (especially after how they treated the character in Avengers 1).

 

[Penguin]

Huh? People keep saying this when clearly it was Xavier's movie more than anybody (including wolverine). He had the character growth

Plus I'd argue his development is better than any single superhero movie arc in a while. Mostly for that scene where he meets his older self. Fanboy wank done right

And for an ensemble film to truly work its always best to give a few characters focus and others must be sacrificed for it tbh

Yeah

It was actually the weakest role for Wolverine in any of these films... including Wolverine Origins.

 

[MoG EclipsE]

I don't understand how some people are saying they might pass on this because of these impressions. Half the people here are saying its better than the first and the other half say its good but just not quite as good. So to me it sounds like its at the same level, quite a bit better for some, not quite as good for others. So if you liked the first, sounds like this one you should enjoy as well. Why are people being such whiners and jumping to the conclusion that the film isn't close to as good as the first?

Also at 85% on RT and that's expected even if this was a bit better than the first, since it's really more of the same, and some critics do not like that. It was bound to get less than the first regardless. Not to mention, 85% is excellent...

 

[BadMediaKarma]

Holy shit, the review hyperbole in this thread is too much. It's almost as if people are looking for a reason to hate the movie. But that's preposterous, isn't it?

How is it hyperbole? Most of the reviews in here weren't too hot but they were anything but screaming the movie is shit or anything.

 

[Altairre]

I would say third, Guardians was better in my opinion. I'd also say it was the second best X-Men Movie.

Though with that in mind, 2014 was an amazing year for comic book movies - sans ASM2 - and all three films were brilliant.

I'd rather watch DOFP three more times than going through ASM2 again. Now that movie is trash. The crane scene in the first one is still the worst though. Fuck those movies.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Holy shit, the review hyperbole in this thread is too much. It's almost as if people are looking for a reason to hate the movie. But that's preposterous, isn't it?

Especially since it's okay/poor reviews from gaffers (with none saying it's a bad movie) and then good/great reviews (saying it's better than the first). Yet some are acting like every single review here hated it.

I'd rather watch DOFP three more times than going through ASM2 again. Now that movie is trash. The crane scene in the first one is still the worst. Fuck those movies.

I'd rather watch Ghost Rider.

Spoiler

maybe

 

[whipihguh]

I just saw the post credit scene

Post-credit scene?

Spoiler

If you're talking about Spider-Man, I debunked that here a while ago.

I'd rather watch Ghost Rider.

Spoiler

maybe

I actually enjoy watching Spirit of Vengeance once in a while, it's so bad that I can't help but laugh. It just goes off the wall at certain points, it's a spectacular trainwreck of a film.

 

[pel1300]

Jesus dude it's getting 7s and 8s, not 2s.

Yeah but people were expecting this to top the first one.

The first 3 trailers had people hyped (not those terrible tv spots, the theatrical trailers).

This is rating about as high as mid tier Marvel (Thor 1 and 2, Cap 1, Iron Man 2/3) which is below expectations.

When all is said and done it will probably end up in the low 80s/high 70s on RT, which you can't deny is lower than what we thought.

 

[WarrenMax007]

I didn't see DoFP, but i think Kingsman is better than any Marvel movie to date. And other comic book movies in recent years.

 

[The Outsider]

How is it hyperbole? Most of the reviews in here weren't too hot but they were anything but screaming the movie is shit or anything.

More directed at the people that are writing the movie off without seeing it based on less than glowing reviews.

Or the guy spewing some bullshit about the review embargo being a red flag, whatever that was all about.

 

[BadMediaKarma]

More directed at the people that are writing the movie off without seeing it based on less than glowing reviews.

Or the guy spewing some bullshit about the review embargo being a red flag, whatever that was all about.

Oh 👀

 

[Ithil]

Yeah but people were expecting this to top the first one.

The first 3 trailers had people hyped (not those terrible tv spots, the theatrical trailers).

This is rating about as high as mid tier Marvel (Thor 1 and 2, Cap 1, Iron Man 2/3) which is below expectations.

When all is said and done it will probably end up in the low 80s/high 70s on RT, which you can't deny is lower than what we thought.

I don't know what universe Iron Man 2 is "mid tier Marvel" in but it sounds like a bad one.

 

[SargerusBR]

Post-credit scene?

Spoiler

If you're talking about Spider-Man, I debunked that here a while ago.

Sorry i mean the mid-credit scene.

 

[Cloud Strife]

When all is said and done it will probably end up in the low 80s/high 70s on RT, which you can't deny is lower than what we thought.

Does this make it a bad movie?

 

[pel1300]

It's at 85% on RT.... that's bad?

It's 84% on RT...with less than 50 reviews, I guarantee it will only get lower, probably end up in the high 70s/low 80s when all is said and done. Let's not deny that we were expecting this to be in the 90s or high 80s.

 

[The Outsider]

Does this make it a bad movie?

It means it's a catastrophic failure. Marvel is done, etc.

 

[StoopKid]

Holy shit, the review hyperbole in this thread is too much. It's almost as if people are looking for a reason to hate the movie. But that's preposterous, isn't it?

It's gaf.

Just look at Dark knight rises threads.

 

[Tacitus_]

It's at least as good as the first avengers.

 

[whipihguh]

Sorry i mean the mid-credit scene.

Oh, alrighty. Can't wait to see it myself!

May 1st feels so far away...

 

[pel1300]

Does this make it a bad movie?

No, I'm just saying we should have tempered expectations as soon as news came out that there was a review embargo until April 21st...and trust me, if the movie released on May 1st everywhere like the US...that embargo wouldn't have lifted until a week later..maybe April 28th or 29th.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

It's gaf.

Just look at Dark knight rises threads.

Wait are you saying TDKR was a good movie?

Oh my.

 

[More_Badass]

Wait are you saying TDKR was a good movie?

Oh my.

There has been plenty of discussion around how absurd TDKR is for legitimately good reasons. In all the threads you mentioned, there were people doing circles around those points to justify their love for that film.

Here we go

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I read Empire's review and it's actually very good. Few choice bits:

With every scene required to multi-task to give us heavy exposition, action and drama, it’s only Whedon’s gift for character that holds it together. He doesn't abandon nuance in the middle of a firefight – which is just as well given how much he has to fit in – and draws unlikely sympathies and parallels that elevate all the cast.

Whedon has settled into his role as director, showing a sure hand with the near-flawless visual effects work and the enormous action set-pieces. He revels in his reputation as a dealer of death to blackly hilarious effect, but also packs the film with moments to make a comic lover's head spin. The Avengers' opening attack through a snowy forest is the stuff that splash pages were made for, that beautiful trailer image of them all mid-air in attack a flourish to draw a cheer.

The film's biggest burden, ultimately, is not its plethora of characters but the tasks laden upon it by the wider Marvel universe. Where Assemble's world-changing felt largely organic, here specific targets appear to have been set to launch not just Captain America: Civil War, but also Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther and the two-part Avengers: Infinity War. It adds complication to an already complex plot, in a way that can make this a little dense on first chew.

and finally:

Bigger and, yes, darker than the first, this is less air-punchingly gleeful but probably more consistent. Thanks to Whedon and the most charismatic, compelling cast you’ll find anywhere, Age of Ultron redefines the scale we can expect from our superhero epics but still fits human-sized emotion amid the bombast.

4/5

 

[pel1300]

It's gaf.

Just look at Dark knight rises threads.

Actually, reception to DKR on neogaf was very positive right after release..but then after a month or two it suddenly became a terrible movie.

 

[-griffy-]

Plus, recent studies have shown a large volume of simultaneous applause can actually transcend traditional notions of sound wave limitations and will, on occasion, make it's way to all involved in the movie's production.

It's a bit like your ears burning when people are discussing you.

I know this is just a sarcastic reply, but my entire point was that the applause isn't meant for the people who made the movie, but just the people watching being excited and expressing that to and with each other. It makes me scratch my head when people seem so confused over this idea and harp on "but the people who made the thing aren't even there!"

 

[Iceternal]

I never said it was a bad movie for example, but it is pretty damn disappointing IMO.

 

[NotLiquid]

I could see a huge MCU fan saying this. I agree that DoFP is the better FILM.

AoU does a better job of being pure, unadulterated spectacle. It's there to appease fans of the universe it's built, and does it's job well.

But in terms of a film that starts with an emotional core and builds around it, letting character performance and dialogue tell the story over CGI sound and fury, DoFP is superior in every single way. You don't need to be a film school student to see that.

I haven't seen AoU yet but speaking from the latter standpoint that only holds true depending on relativity being a deciding factor. Speaking personally, while I can easily see that something like DoFP has a far more "personal" plot than the likes of the first Avengers, I don't necessarily consider that better when the story that was told was incredibly repetitive. Asking this particular Mystique to anchor the plot was a mistake when it is probably her worst (read: most uninteresting) performance in any of the X movies. The focus on mostly Wolverine and Professor X makes a lot of other characters fall to the wayside and Magneto turning in the last minute came across as a cheap stake raiser. The time travel premise was a pretty large one to swallow at that and it was painfully obvious that at some point the tension associated with it would be rendered obsolete. The only reason I feel like there was any major investment in it is because it essentially built up to a twist that (ironically) would satiate just X-Men fans and no one else.

That's not to say that I didn't enjoy DoFP though. I actually quite enjoyed seeing it, which is pretty amazing seeing how it is a really messy film.

First Class was the superior X-Men film as far as I'm concerned, as well as one of the best super hero movies ever made, while DoFP is just a good apology, and an excuse for them to continue doing the same thing they've been doing since 2000, but with a more competent director. At this point I really hope Apocalypse drops the Man vs Mutant story and focuses on something more interesting.

 

[superdeluxe]

I just saw the post credit scene

So the word that there was no post credit scene is false?

 

[The Outsider]

So the word that there was no post credit scene is false?

There is a mid-credits scene. Nothing else.

 

[Cloud Strife]

No, I'm just saying we should have tempered expectations as soon as news came out that there was a review embargo until April 21st...and trust me, if the movie released on May 1st everywhere like the US...that embargo wouldn't have lifted until a week later..maybe April 28th or 29th.

The difference between 84% and 94% on an aggregate review site doesn't really bother me. Sure I might be disappointed, but there's a difference in being disappointed from a ~10% drop and being disappointed because the movie sucks.

 

[FeD.nL]

Just saw it for the second time. It would easily have trumped any MCU film if it would have been 15/20 minutes longer. I must say it was much easier to forgive the shortcomings the second time and just enjoy the spectacle on screen.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

seeing this in 80 minutes. rather excited, did a good job about staying away from heavy preview stuff and didn't even watch the leaked after credits.

quite looking forward to it I must say.

 

[pel1300]

The difference between 84% and 94% on an aggregate review site doesn't really bother me. Sure I might be disappointed, but there's a difference in being disappointed from a ~10% drop and being disappointed because the movie sucks.

??? getting an 84% on RT is nothing special....it's very common...getting a 94% for anything that isn't a Disney/Pixar type animation, Indy flick, or drama? pretty damn rare.

edit: now 83% on RT with 48 reviews. I'm predicting it will level off around 79-81%

 

[TacticalFox88]

??? getting an 84% on RT is nothing special....it's very common...getting a 94% for anything that isn't a Disney/Pixar type animation, Indy flick, or drama? pretty damn rare.

hahahahaha

What?

Have you LOOKED at the scores for films in recent years?

 

[Altairre]

I'd rather watch Ghost Rider.

Spoiler

maybe

Ghost Rider is bad to the point that it has that trashy B-movie appeal to me (the second one maybe even more so). The ASM movies don't even have that. They're just shit. So yes, I'd absolutely rather watch Ghost Rider.

 

[Blader]

There has been plenty of discussion around how absurd TDKR is for legitimately good reasons. In all the threads you mentioned, there were people doing circles around those points to justify their love for that film.

lol, you don't need to do circles around anything to enjoy the film.

And for every person who raised legitimate issues with it, you had five more posting some shat-out fight gif as proof that the movie sucks, Bale sucks, and Nolan sucks.The measured discussion you're referring to is not, by any means, the way those threads ever go.

 

[-griffy-]

??? getting an 84% on RT is nothing special....it's very common...getting a 94% for anything that isn't a Disney/Pixar type animation, Indy flick, or drama? pretty damn rare.

The 80% range is a perfectly strong score, especially for giant action movies. 90%+ is an uncommonly good score for those movies. Batman Begins at 85%, X2 and First Class at 87%, Furious 7 at 82%, Inception 86%, Winter Soldier at 89%, most of the Harry Potter films, etc.

You look at those movies that score in the 90's and it's the ones considered exceptionally good, those that people feel are the pinnacle of their genre or transcend them. The Dark Knight at 94%, Spider-Man 2 at 94%, The Lord of the Rings trilogy at 91-96%, Star Trek 2009 at 95%, The Avengers, DOFP, etc.

Age of Ultron being among that first group I wouldn't consider "nothing special." Of course it's still kind of early days as far as reviews go, it could rise or fall a bit when the truly big swell comes in with the US release, but regardless, if it settles in the 80% range that's a good score.

 

[pel1300]

hahahahaha

What?

Have you LOOKED at the scores for films in recent years?

Yes, have YOU?

It's a solid score, but not "OMG amazing!!"

Ultron will end up around 79%...similar to Cap 1 and Iron Man 3.....

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Hour and a half to go before ultron. I can smell 50 different deoderants in this theatre, we've been in here for nearly 18 hours. It was a bloody good ride.

 

[StoopKid]

??? getting an 84% on RT is nothing special....it's very common...getting a 94% for anything that isn't a Disney/Pixar type animation, Indy flick, or drama? pretty damn rare.

edit: now 83% on RT with 48 reviews. I'm predicting it will level off around 79-81%

I can almost guaranteed you that the majority of films released in the last few months aren't over 84% on RT.

 

[bananafactory]

Yes, have YOU?

It's a solid score, but not "OMG amazing!!"

Ultron will end up around 79%...similar to Cap 1 and Iron Man 3.....

Cap 1 is only at 79%? What a travesty.

 

[pel1300]

SW Ep 3 had 83% on RT for years..until it's 3d rerelease...

 

[pel1300]

The 80% range is a perfectly strong score, especially for giant action movies. 90%+ is an uncommonly good score for those movies. Batman Begins at 85%, X2 and First Class at 87%, Furious 7 at 82%, Inception 86%, Winter Soldier at 89%, most of the Harry Potter films, etc.

You look at those movies that score in the 90's and it's the ones considered exceptionally good, those that people feel are the pinnacle of their genre or transcend them. The Dark Knight at 94%, Spider-Man 2 at 94%, The Lord of the Rings trilogy at 91-96%, Star Trek 2009 at 95%, The Avengers, DOFP, etc.

Age of Ultron being among that first group I wouldn't consider "nothing special." Of course it's still kind of early days as far as reviews go, it could rise or fall a bit when the truly big swell comes in with the US release, but regardless, if it settles in the 80% range that's a good score.

That's what many were expecting AoU to be...just look at all the hype until a day ago...off the charts. Every new tv spot/little clip was analyzed to death.

 

[hamchan]

Furious 7 also being an 82% when it's the movie of our generation and should be 101%.

 

[The Outsider]

That's what many were expecting AoU to be...just look at all the hype until a day ago...off the charts. Every new tv spot/little clip was analyzed to death.

Yes, hype deflated, no one is going to see the movie now.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

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