I was in Iraq and had to watch a bootleg copy they sold at these little markets there, lol. I didn't get a whole lot of internet time so I wasn't following the production or anything. I was so damn hyped because it had been so long since the Reeve movies. When the movie ended I was almost in tears at how much I had been let down.
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I was in Iraq and had to watch a bootleg copy they sold at these little markets there, lol. I didn't get a whole lot of internet time so I wasn't following the production or anything. I was so damn hyped because it had been so long since the Reeve movies. When the movie ended I was almost in tears at how much I had been let down.
More_Badass
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I remember Returns distinctly because I was with my grandparents in Florida at the time and my uncle was visiting and took me to see it. It was so boring. That gatling gun scene is still awesome though
I did like the idea of him being a lonely orphan searching for his place in the universe.
I remember Returns distinctly because I was with my grandparents in Florida at the time and my uncle was visiting and took me to see it. It was so boring. That gatling gun scene is still awesome though
The sequence that leads up to (with Superman in space listening is really cool) and includes the gatling gun scene and the plane rescue in the beginning are my favorite scenes in that film and the ones that really stand out. When it comes to Returns I enjoy individual parts of that film. The problem is what is suppose to hold them together is what I don't like. The Luthor stuff was disappointing but I was okay with Spacey in general. I don't have a problem with Superman having a kid. I like that idea and it even being with Lois. How they went about it in the film was horrible though and it's what ultimately taints the rest of the film for me. Not to mention how screwed over, even if he doesn't know it, James Marsden's character was. That BS made me hate Lois' character in that film and I hate that the film caused that.
If someone could somehow edit Superman Returns in a way that removes the kid plot but still makes the rest work that would be amazing.
Oh man I can't wait for this film. Makes me so hyped to see Justice League formed one day.
Been watching fan made trailers:
http://youtu.be/CCtj72BQpts
Been watching fan made trailers:
http://youtu.be/CCtj72BQpts
Messypandas
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Dude needs a role in the DCCU already. He'd be a perfect Booster Gold.
I made my peace with Returns and still only hold two minor things against it:
1) Superman should have punched Luthor when depowered. He could justifiably do it and it would have made him a fighter, a man of action, rather than just a victim. I was heartened when years later in Up, Up, and Away, a depowered Superman would sock Luthor... to be followed up by All-Star Superman doing the same.
2) Returns wrote Superman into a corner romantically. Whatever issues I had to overcome to accept how all that stuff was handled, I would have been OK so long as there was someplace to go in the sequel, but there wasn't. Any sequel to Returns would have nothing new to say or show about Superman and Lois.
Other than that, I can mostly enjoy Returns for what it was. In retrospect, I don't even really hold those points against Returns because the way it handled those things paved the way for Man of Steel (a different take on action and Lois), so it all worked out in my opinion.
My resentment was mainly seeded in the idea that Returns denied us more Superman content for years thereafter and I'm over that now.
I miss Reaper.
SJRB
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I remember Returns distinctly because I was with my grandparents in Florida at the time and my uncle was visiting and took me to see it. It was so boring. That gatling gun scene is still awesome though
Returns get a lot of hate and mostly deserved, but it is a beautiful movie at times.
ohhthegore
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The beard gene is fucking real.
legit
Good. It's not like Iron Man or Hulk where, what happens is definitely big for the characters involved but not necessarily new or earth-shattering to everyone else. Man of Steel is a giant event. The very public reveal of "Hey, aliens exist and have pulverized a giant segment of a major metropolitan city. Oh, and one of them who has been living on earth for a long time in secret is still living among us, and has god-like power."
That's major, and it not only raises questions for Clark, but for everyone in that world. For Lex, for Batman, for Wonder Woman, for every politician and the public at large. Those events are going to spark a reaction from everyone. Obviously its a continuation of the universe, but Man of Steel 2 implies that those questions are isolated to just Superman's circle. And that just wouldn't be an appropriate avenue for the story.
PhantomZone
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Obviously it wasn't ever going to be.
I wouldn't even want a sequel to Man of Steel since the first was so disappointing.
Eagerly anticipating the next reboot
Discotheque
Banned
Booster gold or Shazam would be awesome. He nailed that mix of badass and buffoon in Lone Ranger imo
Whedon would like to direct Batman (when asked hypothetically)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm55x2EVDGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm55x2EVDGE
Who wouldn't?
I'd atleast trust Whedon to atleast fight to include the Bat family. He'd do great with that dynamic.
He's better for something like Flash or Shazam, but Batman? Sorry Whedon, no just no.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I never realized it but Armie Hammer would be the perfect Booster Gold.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
He'd be better than Kevin Smith at least
Assuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
Assuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
Eugh, that's Superman's job.
Batman duckfacing to not get shot is embarassing.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Pretty sure Affleck is going to direct the solo Batman movie, but Joss would be an interesting choice. He'd be better suited for Shazam or Flash, tho.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I dont want Batman to be a comedy full of quips and jokes.
Angel Season 2 was essentially a season long audition for both Whedon and Boreanaz to get the Batman job.
Indrid Cold1
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Assuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
Lol
Batman does "Blue Steel" and doesn't get shot cause he's really, really good looking.
Discotheque
Banned
Would not want Whedon for any of these films, I make no exaggerations in saying I've enjoyed the bulk of Brett Ratner's work more than his
Poodlestrike
Banned
I can actually get behind the "Batman as a symbol of hope" thing, though it'd have to be handled in a very different way than Superman. For Gothamites, seeing the Bat-Signal has got to produce a very weird reaction; on the one hand, it means that shit is getting real, but on the other hand it means that the baddest sonuvabitch on the planet is going to be coming down on somebody bad.
I dont want Batman to be a comedy full of quips and jokes.
Because nobody in Batman makes jokes.
Multiple arcs in Angel may as well have been a Batman show.
Assuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
Awesome panel. Couldn't agree more.
I didnt saw Angel at all, maybe he can get more serious without resorting to ruin a perfectly good scene with a joke.
They manage that plenty of times in Angel. There are plenty of episodes that feel dour as fuck.
Schweinehund
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The only property I'd like to see Whedon take on something like Justice League International. Not that I dislike his films but there's an amount of fatigue I have from avengers and I don' think it would be remedied by changing characters.
BlackGoku03
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I liked almost every Angel episode. Even more than Buffy. The last episode was a great way to end the series.
Well, it would have to be in a more small-scale, personal way than Superman. Because that's how Batman is. It's one of the reasons Robin can be used so interestingly in the comics. Dick Grayson is like Batman's ultimate triumph over evil.
A kid goes through a tragedy almost identical to the one Bruce suffered, but there's a difference: Dick has Batman in his corner. While this kid is still formative, Batman teaches him the lessons he learned the hard way about how to deal with what happened to him and still be a hero. And Dick Grayson becomes amazing. He grows up to be well-adjusted (well as much as one can be, given the circumstances) and he even has a degree of levity to him Bruce is just not capable of. He's genuinely a better person than Bruce is and that's something Batman should be immensely proud of. What more could a father ask for than for his son to not only match him, but come to exceed him? I don't think Batman would ever tell him anything of the sort, but you know he's proud as hell of that boy.
More_Badass
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What is that from? Awesome art styleAssuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Assuming that's the direction Joss would even take it, I'd actually welcome a slightly warmer depiction of Batman. I like the idea of Batman making himself into an aspirational figure rather than simply being an eternally-enraged, sadistic nut job.
This isn't even a "Think of the children!" sort of thing, so much as it is a desire on my part to have more superheroes that feel genuinely heroic to me.
Basically, I'd rather batman was more this:
And less, well, Dark Knight Returns, frankly.
I know that's probably not an exceptionally popular opinion, but as messed up as Bruce Wayne is in most depictions, I usually think he's ultimately a good person trying to do the right thing. He wants to stop crime, not necessarily setting out to hurt criminals. I mean, that's what that whole discussion in Batman Begins about the difference between Justice and Vengeance is all about. Sometimes I worry that distinction might be getting lost.
Please, no. We need a badass Batman. He can be good while not being a softie.
Batman is only hard to criminals, not to children. He can be quite empathic, especially when it comes to children who are pushed into situations.
Why do you want him to batarang a black child? :,(
Batman: War on Crime
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah that was like the whole point of the tdkR ending
It's an Alex Ross piece. Not sure if it's from an actual comic or not. His art is always fantastic.
Edit: Ah, looks like it is. Good to know.
GringoSuave89
Banned
It is. I just don't remember the title. I know Paul Dini wrote it.
Schweinehund
Member
Probably part of the same series power of hope is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Greatest_Super-Heroes
power of hope was sogood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Greatest_Super-Heroes
power of hope was sogood.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It's called "Batman: War on Crime"
Batman being an empathetic father figure is pretty fucking important to what makes him interesting.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Don't forget:
I miss Best Batgirl.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Batman being an empathetic father figure is pretty fucking important to what makes him interesting.
Such BS that they forget this(and then erased with New52),
Not long afterwards...
Fuck you Bruce.
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