Vampirolol
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I swear if Thanos doesn't kill AT LEAST a million of civilians, not aliens but humans, I'm going to be disappointed.
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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This
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Shuggananas
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He will destroy some obscure non human planets and you'll be happy with that
Miles Quaritch
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Was hoping it was just an issue in 3D. Ah well.
Yeah the old members retiring thing wasn't handled too well cos I like others here didn't really see it explained well on screen. They just sort of got replaced.
Not that it matters we know they'll be in other films and there's no way they won't be in Avengers 3 anyway
I only counted two people retiring and one of those we know will be back soon anyway, but maybe my count is wrong.
Hulk is MIA because he thinks he's too dangerous to live among people, Thor had to head home anyway at some point, Cap stays on, Hawkeye goes home to be with his family, Widow stays on and Tony...it doesn't seem like he retired, it was more a ham-fisted way of removing him from active duty so fans don't start to ask where's the fourth Iron Man movie...
Vampirolol
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That's what they're going to do. At least we're not going to have the "woman with kid" moment, that really sucks and doesn't work. Whedon has some stupid limits sometimes.
About Thor and Hulk it was clear since the announcement of Civil War that they were going to say goodbye. They're OP. And I still believe that Hulk reached space in some way and will be in Gotg 2, Planet Hulk style. A man can dream...
nephilimdj
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Hulk is running away from responsibility for what he did in Johannesburg (thats when he started talking about hiding), which ironically wasn't much when u consider starks wealth
Actually kind childish
Miles Quaritch
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He really didn't.
This is what was I hoping for...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_-Ar-LTeYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPo9dZFKx80
We got some wise cracking BS instead.
That's actually a good point, didn't think about it like that. Now that you mention it, wasn't there talk about them issuing an arrest warrant for Banner or at least considering it?
I think Jane's absence is going to be a regular running joke in the Avengers movies.
Shuggananas
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Marvel are super against civilians dying in their movies apparently. I know Transformers 3 was a garbage movie but one thing I liked about it was that it showed the Decepticons actually shooting civilians and killing them. Ultron needed that. He couldn't even kill off that Korean biomed doctor properly (and speaking of it was a bit weird that she was suddenly in this film and hanging out with all of them like they were all good pals. They could have at least built her up a bit in prior films).
Ha. Oh well that romance is kinda bad anyways.
I was glad to see Linda Cardellini be Mrs Hawkeye. After Mad Men and Bloodlines I like her.
Vampirolol
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Don't you think that a message to the world or at least a dialogue with Ultron saying "I don't care about assassination" could have helped?
Good, she didn't seem very interested in the role.
Bring on Enchantress or something.
Marvel fans will be able to answer this but given all these films are leading up to Thanos and the Gauntlet and given we are being introduced to new Avengers who, with others, will probably take the place of the current ones in films post IW, is there a threat bigger or more menacing than Thanos? I genuinely dont know but if he controls the greatest powers in the universe, where do you go from there?
Vampirolol
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Marvel Zombies.
I think she just owed him because he had saved her life in a prior offscreen moment in the past, he had the chance to kill her and didnt.
I think, not 100%
Agreed, Ultron was made very ineffective. I really hoped where there was going to be this moment where the Avengers fail to safe someone. Like at the bridge with the woman falling while in her car, but instead they safe her and the people in the other car and make a joke out of it.
The way they set up Tony vs Steve this film suffers because of it. I mean Tony is worried that the Avengers won't be enough to safe the world eventually. Steve says they will if they do it together or either fail together. But here in this film we see the Avengers can keep everyone safe without nearly breaking a sweat. I dislike Civil War (the comic event) because they didn't explore the grey area properly. Steve was right, Tony was wrong.
Now that I think of it, the film really did a lousy job setting up phase 3 and an even worse job tying up phase 2. I did very much enjoy the spectacle but the rest has this hollow feel to it.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Most of all I want him to kill a few heroes and put them in a situation that seems hopeless, the entire first part should be Thanos winning.
Unlike the comics their relationship doesn't go any further than best friends.
Infinite War Part 1 casualties: -1 (Quicksilver turned out to be alive)
Miles Quaritch
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I especially chuckled when Ultron was raining down bullets on feeling civilians and not a single one was hit.
In fact, that entire scene was just ridiculous and just cemented how much of a joke Ultron was.
Aw man... It feels weird that Whedon himself pushed for Ultron when he delivered such a weak version of him :/.
Entryhazard
Banned
There's Galactus if they get back the rights from Fox.
Also there's the Chaos King that is really OP but it goes full mythological
More_Badass
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Well regarding Chaos King, MCU is introducing magic with Doctor Strange and Iron Fist, so at that point, I think anything is on the table.
Shuggananas
Banned
There's a handful of things that are stronger than thanos + full gauntlet but they hardly partake
Thanos without gauntlet is pretty strong but there are stronger dudes
Finaika
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Since Marvel got Spider-Man back, they could use Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Venom etc.
Red Arremer
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Ehh, Chaos King is hardly interesting. If anything, they'd roll out Mephisto or Dormammu with Strange.
Yeah, there's cosmic entities such as Galactus or the Living Tribunal, basically the cosmic-level beings that control the flow of space and time.
The Infinity Gauntlet is pretty much the most powerful artifact of all time, and with it you can control everything. Even holding just one of the gems puts you above the rest of most other beings in the MU.
None of Spidey's villains are comparable to Thanos or other high-end villains like Mephisto or Ultron (if he were depicted as an actual threat), or even smaller scale stuff like Hydra or Loki.
Goblin and Doc Ock are just mad scientists, Venom is just an angry dude with some alien goop that makes him stronger. That's why Spidey is "just" street-level, while the Avengers deal with more global shit.
BBQMan
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They havent got him back. Sony still have all the rights etc. They just get to use Spider-man in the universe.
Finaika
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More_Badass
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Damn
The Sinister Six put up a hell of a fight in the Ultimates, that could have been a cool fight on-screen
Saw the film last night.
Enjoyed it a lot, really fun movie even though there are some obvious flaws.
The dialogue and action were great which is the most important thing. Spader's performance as Ultron was great but he was a pretty weak villain overall. He never really felt threatening, especially in the final battle which was disappointing. Why did he go down so easy, I thought his body was made of vibranium?
Another complaint is that I feel like the film was overly reliant on CG, which to be fair is necessary for the scale of the action they're going for but I dunno it just felt like too much at times. And I don't think the entirely CG character - hulk, ultron, and vision - looked good enough. Also how come they left out vision's main ability, the density changing stuff?
One thing I really liked about the film was the focus on saving civilians, (even though they still did billions of dollars of collateral damage). That felt quite refreshing.
I do think though that unlike the first film it did buckle under it's own weight at times with the number of characters and plot threads, especially in the final act where I was often wondering 'hey, when are you gonna cut back to x character'.
But like I said despite the problems I really enjoyed it, it was a pleasant surprise as I was going in with pretty tempered expectations.
Also sidenote, even though I'm not personally excited for it holy shit star wars is gonna be so big. The audience actually clapped and cheered giddily just for the TRAILER. And this is in the UK where that basically never happens. The only time I've ever known an audience to clap was at the end of avengers 1.
Enjoyed it a lot, really fun movie even though there are some obvious flaws.
The dialogue and action were great which is the most important thing. Spader's performance as Ultron was great but he was a pretty weak villain overall. He never really felt threatening, especially in the final battle which was disappointing. Why did he go down so easy, I thought his body was made of vibranium?
Another complaint is that I feel like the film was overly reliant on CG, which to be fair is necessary for the scale of the action they're going for but I dunno it just felt like too much at times. And I don't think the entirely CG character - hulk, ultron, and vision - looked good enough. Also how come they left out vision's main ability, the density changing stuff?
One thing I really liked about the film was the focus on saving civilians, (even though they still did billions of dollars of collateral damage
). That felt quite refreshing.I do think though that unlike the first film it did buckle under it's own weight at times with the number of characters and plot threads, especially in the final act where I was often wondering 'hey, when are you gonna cut back to x character'.
But like I said despite the problems I really enjoyed it, it was a pleasant surprise as I was going in with pretty tempered expectations.
Also sidenote, even though I'm not personally excited for it holy shit star wars is gonna be so big. The audience actually clapped and cheered giddily just for the TRAILER. And this is in the UK where that basically never happens. The only time I've ever known an audience to clap was at the end of avengers 1.
FlutterPuffs
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Remember the first movie, when the Centauri lizard thing was heading towards the team and all of us thought "Actually, Hulk can probably take that"
Except you know, we just don't believe it would be done and then Hulk punches the fuck out of it, stopping it in it tracks and you just had the biggest nerdgasm of your life.
The only problem with this movie is that there's no scenes like it.
Except you know, we just don't believe it would be done and then Hulk punches the fuck out of it, stopping it in it tracks and you just had the biggest nerdgasm of your life.
The only problem with this movie is that there's no scenes like it.
Entryhazard
Banned
They still have to acknowledge Thor as a God and not just an advanced alien and they have to introduce all the other pantheons.
Yes I want an Incredible Hercules movie.
Mephisto and Dormammu always have an hard time coming out of their realms so it's unlikely they'll be some cosmic level for multiple heroes and I thing thanos with the gauntlet is still stronger.
Finaika
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Did they clap at the end of Ultron?
Nope
Entryhazard
Banned
Yes but those aren't villains
Shuggananas
Banned
I think the 4 cosmic entities too (infinity, life, death and... love ?) but they're not villains or good guys, they just "are"
The Vision was makeup, not CGI, so evidently it was good enough.Saw the film last night.
Enjoyed it a lot, really fun movie even though there are some obvious flaws.
The dialogue and action were great which is the most important thing. Spader's performance as Ultron was great but he was a pretty weak villain overall. He never really felt threatening, especially in the final battle which was disappointing. Why did he go down so easy, I thought his body was made of vibranium?
Another complaint is that I feel like the film was overly reliant on CG, which to be fair is necessary for the scale of the action they're going for but I dunno it just felt like too much at times. And I don't think the entirely CG character - hulk, ultron, and vision - looked good enough. Also how come they left out vision's main ability, the density changing stuff?
One thing I really liked about the film was the focus on saving civilians, (even though they still did billions of dollars of collateral damage
I do think though that unlike the first film it did buckle under it's own weight at times with the number of characters and plot threads, especially in the final act where I was often wondering 'hey, when are you gonna cut back to x character'.
But like I said despite the problems I really enjoyed it, it was a pleasant surprise as I was going in with pretty tempered expectations.
Also sidenote, even though I'm not personally excited for it holy shit star wars is gonna be so big. The audience actually clapped and cheered giddily just for the TRAILER. And this is in the UK where that basically never happens. The only time I've ever known an audience to clap was at the end of avengers 1.
If you mean the scene where Quicksilver is killed, they showed several civilians being hit by the gunfire.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Dr Strange villains like Dormammu and Shuma-Gorath obliterate Thanos. Cosmic villains like Tyrant (he beat down Thanos AFTER being depowered). Staying within the realm of what Marvel Studio owns here.
Now IG Thanos is legitimately more powerful than them, but beings like Shuma could consume millions of universes while the IG is all of the power of one universe only. Shuma could overpower IG Thanos, if he put his mind to it and started chowing on verses.
Same. I want to feel some real threat to the MCU world for a change.
Finaika
Member
You mean that tentacle monster?
I'd consider the slow motion circular shot of the entire nine person team in the church wrecking shit during the climax about as good as anything from the first film (and if a similar shot had been in the first film, I expect it would be cited as the best shot).
Red Arremer
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Yes.
Shuma-Gorath is a crazy powerful entity. The MvC version of him is a joke in comparison.
The more I think about the movie and bounce off opinions with others, the more I think about how average the movie really is.
For what could have been a interesting Villain is quickly turned into almost a comic relief who banters and toses out witty remarks to the Heros. He has no Presence about him no Malice no sense of greater use of intelligence or depth to him, its like the writers are scared of Portraying the Villain..as a fucking Villain, or even being better then any one of the Superheros.
There is no sense of immediate danger in any single moment of the movie, its like watching a bunch of children play around in a safety pen wrapped in bubble wrap with no way for them to harm themselves, there is even a shot of a fucking dog getting onto the ship as its about to leave. Tony goes mono e mono with Ultron and blows him to pieces, even Captain America goes toe to toe with him, takes a few laser blasts to the chest then gets back up to keep going.
The only time Ultron kills someone is when he Uses a Plane to shoot someone, REALLY I mean REALLY, seriously ? It almost feels like there is no originally is this movie just a bunch of Flashes Bangs Mechs, pretty CGI and somewhat convincing fight scenes in big set piece moments. When even the final fight feels as tense as watching someone uncork a bottle of wine, nothing but mindless Cannon Fodder for them to fight with Ultron in the background.
Tired of how boring Marvel's Villains are.
Iron Man 1; Evil White Businessman.
Iron Man 2: Evil White Business Man, Ganging with Evil Russian with a skipping rope as a weapon.
Iron Man 3: INTERESTING VILLAIN, oh wait nvm Evil White Businessman.
Thor 1: Wouldn't even call Loki a *Villian*
Thor 2: Evil...Elves ? No one remembers that movie.
Captain America 1: Red Mask Criminally Underused
Captain America 2: Evil White Businessman, Along with Anti Villian Bucky.
Avengers 1; LOKI!....Along with his army of Alien Cannon Fodder.
Avengers 2: ULTRON ! And his army of Robot Cannon Fodder !
People arn't tirerd of Superhero Movies because there are too many of them. People are starting to become tired because of how lazy they are, how boring and unoriginal their conflict and resolution is. Daredevil is probably the most Interesting use of a *Superhero* IP I have seen so far, and even that isn't Mind Blowing stuff.
Its going to be movies like this that drag everyone else down in the Pit if Superhero movies crash and burn and people become sick of them.
Maybe im being too cynical but I was really hoping they would try to push the Medium even just alittle bit with Avengers 2, not go backwards. I could probably write more but those were my main Negatives about the Movie.
For what could have been a interesting Villain is quickly turned into almost a comic relief who banters and toses out witty remarks to the Heros. He has no Presence about him no Malice no sense of greater use of intelligence or depth to him, its like the writers are scared of Portraying the Villain..as a fucking Villain, or even being better then any one of the Superheros.
There is no sense of immediate danger in any single moment of the movie, its like watching a bunch of children play around in a safety pen wrapped in bubble wrap with no way for them to harm themselves, there is even a shot of a fucking dog getting onto the ship as its about to leave. Tony goes mono e mono with Ultron and blows him to pieces, even Captain America goes toe to toe with him, takes a few laser blasts to the chest then gets back up to keep going.
The only time Ultron kills someone is when he Uses a Plane to shoot someone, REALLY I mean REALLY, seriously ? It almost feels like there is no originally is this movie just a bunch of Flashes Bangs Mechs, pretty CGI and somewhat convincing fight scenes in big set piece moments. When even the final fight feels as tense as watching someone uncork a bottle of wine, nothing but mindless Cannon Fodder for them to fight with Ultron in the background.
Tired of how boring Marvel's Villains are.
Iron Man 1; Evil White Businessman.
Iron Man 2: Evil White Business Man, Ganging with Evil Russian with a skipping rope as a weapon.
Iron Man 3: INTERESTING VILLAIN, oh wait nvm Evil White Businessman.
Thor 1: Wouldn't even call Loki a *Villian*
Thor 2: Evil...Elves ? No one remembers that movie.
Captain America 1: Red Mask Criminally Underused
Captain America 2: Evil White Businessman, Along with Anti Villian Bucky.
Avengers 1; LOKI!....Along with his army of Alien Cannon Fodder.
Avengers 2: ULTRON ! And his army of Robot Cannon Fodder !
People arn't tirerd of Superhero Movies because there are too many of them. People are starting to become tired because of how lazy they are, how boring and unoriginal their conflict and resolution is. Daredevil is probably the most Interesting use of a *Superhero* IP I have seen so far, and even that isn't Mind Blowing stuff.
Its going to be movies like this that drag everyone else down in the Pit if Superhero movies crash and burn and people become sick of them.
Maybe im being too cynical but I was really hoping they would try to push the Medium even just alittle bit with Avengers 2, not go backwards. I could probably write more but those were my main Negatives about the Movie.
I agree, Marvel have got in a rut with weak motivations for their villains that makes them totally forgettable. I mean, Man of Steel has its flaws but to me Zod had a understandable motivation throughout the entire movie and had presence when he arrived and in the opening act on Krypton - even with the shitty dialogue he's been more compelling than the vast majority of MCU villains. I can't imagine Ant-Man will be any different, Civil War will have anti-heroes and the next main villain will be in Strange.
Who is the villain of Ant-man anyway? What are his powers and background?
Loki is a very interesting and complex character, particularly in the first Thor movie - a tragic villain in the manner of a Shakespearean play. He's somewhat like Edmund from King Lear, raised in the shadow of his brother (and with the additional anguish of discovering that he is a Frost Giant, a member of a race of people that he has been taught from childhood to fear and loathe). I don't think a film needs a straightforward villain to work successfully; the shades of grey in Loki's character makes the audience sympathise with him even as we recognise the madness and wrong-headedness of Loki's chosen method of proving himself "worthy." This is a big part of why Loki is by far the most memorable villain so far in the MCU.
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