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[Shuggananas]

Who is the villain of Ant-man anyway? What are his powers and background?

That yellow dude
He's very mean

 

[Ithil]

Who is the villain of Ant-man anyway? What are his powers and background?

Yellowjacket, who has a more advanced version of Ant-Man's suit. Too early to know motivations but it appears he's someone who took Pym's tech and used it to build a big corporation.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

Also didn't Hawkeye and Black Widow have a thing in the first movie?

I think she just owed him because he had saved her life in a prior offscreen moment in the past, he had the chance to kill her and didnt.

I think, not 100%

Some years back...

"Once you walk out of that door, you will become a SHIELD agent."

 

[Alienous]

It's funny. The destruction in this film occupies almost the opposite spectrum to Man of Steel.

In that it was mindless, in this it is meaningless.

There is a middle ground, one that I think even Avengers 1 was able to occupy (such as having cars blow up without a scene shortly after showing everyone had left their vehicles). The unwillingness to let any civilians die actually reminded me of Dragon Ball Z's "Look, I can see their parachutes" while I was watching it.

It makes the victory cold, somewhat like in Man of Steel, but for different reasons.

 

[Ithil]

Also didn't Hawkeye and Black Widow have a thing in the first movie?

Going by their scenes at Hawkeye's home, they are close friends, but that's all. Widow knew about Hawkeye's home and his family knew her (to the point of naming his newest child after her).

 

[Maximo]

I agree, Marvel have got in a rut with weak motivations for their villains that makes them totally forgettable. I mean, Man of Steel has its flaws but to me Zod had a understandable motivation throughout the entire movie and had presence when he arrived and in the opening act on Krypton - even with the shitty dialogue he's been more compelling than the vast majority of MCU villains. I can't imagine Ant-Man will be any different, Civil War will have anti-heroes and the next main villain will be in Strange.

Maybe I just have a DEEP seeded Love for Villains due to how amazing Disney's were with their 2D Animated movies, how much Screen time they were given or how much depth, how interesting they were. The Villains were often the MORE Interesting parts of the Movies while the antagonist often felt like they there to keep the story going. But you would think with all these amazing Villains they could choose, from any number of their Comics at their disposal they would try alittle harder.

 

[NotLiquid]

I don't really think that Ultron wisecracking means he's not menacing. There's a sort of uncanny naivety with his mannerisms and his abilities that kind of make me feel like he's just generally unpredictable, and his abilities to tear the heroes apart, even his ways of manipulation, can come across as traitorous. The way he funnels billions into Klaw's account, only to dismember him seconds later, came as a pretty big surprise to me. I think the reason I have less of an investment in Loki's abilities as opposed to Ultron as well, is that, although it's essentially the same action setup, a context change can spell a lot of implications. Particularly the fact that, even though the final battle is still mass drones versus some guys, they are all effectively "Ultron". I've mentioned this a few times but I still think what makes Ultron interesting to me, in spite of his vague motivations, is how he ties into the AoU concept of fear. It always comes up at some significant junction in the plot, how Ultron retaliated against Jarvis because of fear, and how when he faces the Vision in the last moments of the movie, he's "scared". I just really want to rewatch the movie again sometime soon to just analyze it and find out more about him.

But yeah, I guess we'll have to wait for Avengers 3 to get that one vs. everyone. It should be refreshing and I'm kind of excited for some intergalactic Gurren Lagann-style shit for that.

 

[Anth1888]

Yellowjacket, who has a more advanced version of Ant-Man's suit. Too early to know motivations but it appears he's someone who took Pym's tech and used it to build a big corporation.

So its like Jeff Bridges in Iron Man? Fights the hero with another similar suit, yeah sounds familiar (not that I've seen it yet).

 

[Schweinehund]

I liked Red Skull. Was hoping he'd reappear at some point.

Taskmaster would be cool too.

I know a lot of people think not being able to get their heroes back from other companies hurts Marvel, but I think not having Doom, Galactus, Magneto, Osborn and pretty much all of spiderman's gallery has hurt them far far more.

 

[Ithil]

I sort of liked how Ultron didn't seem to understand whether he hated or loved humans. Like how his plan is to wipe out all humans, but he apologizes for accidentally cutting Klaue's arm off, and seems genuinely sad that the Maximoffs turned on him. Then there's his keeping Widow around just to have someone to listen to him.

He even says to Wanda before she destroys his last form that she needs to get away from the city or she'll die, even though his plan by its nature would kill her too. All his logic is mixed up and I do that that was intentional.

I will have to pay more attention on a rewatch but it seems like there was a lot of thought that went into Ultron as a character, but the problem is people were expecting something else (a "menacing humorless doom robot" it seems) and that's affecting how people read it.

 

[Saya]

I know a lot of people think not being able to get their heroes back from other companies hurts Marvel, but I think not having Doom, Galactus, Magneto, Osborn and pretty much all of spiderman's gallery has hurt them far far more.

Perhaps Marvel could take one of their lesser known villains that they do have and just power him up and change him a bit. Sure, it wouldn't be accurate to the comics, but who cares. At least the villain on screen would be more compelling.

 

[Amentallica]

The more I think about the movie and bounce off opinions with others, the more I think about how average the movie really is.
For what could have been a interesting Villain is quickly turned into almost a comic relief who banters and toses out witty remarks to the Heros. He has no Presence about him no Malice no sense of greater use of intelligence or depth to him, its like the writers are scared of Portraying the Villain..as a fucking Villain, or even being better then any one of the Superheros.
There is no sense of immediate danger in any single moment of the movie, its like watching a bunch of children play around in a safety pen wrapped in bubble wrap with no way for them to harm themselves, there is even a shot of a fucking dog getting onto the ship as its about to leave. Tony goes mono e mono with Ultron and blows him to pieces, even Captain America goes toe to toe with him, takes a few laser blasts to the chest then gets back up to keep going.

The only time Ultron kills someone is when he Uses a Plane to shoot someone, REALLY I mean REALLY, seriously ? It almost feels like there is no originally is this movie just a bunch of Flashes Bangs Mechs, pretty CGI and somewhat convincing fight scenes in big set piece moments. When even the final fight feels as tense as watching someone uncork a bottle of wine, nothing but mindless Cannon Fodder for them to fight with Ultron in the background.
Tired of how boring Marvel's Villains are.

Iron Man 1; Evil White Businessman.
Iron Man 2: Evil White Business Man, Ganging with Evil Russian with a skipping rope as a weapon.
Iron Man 3: INTERESTING VILLAIN, oh wait nvm Evil White Businessman.

Thor 1: Wouldn't even call Loki a *Villian*
Thor 2: Evil...Elves ? No one remembers that movie.

Captain America 1: Red Mask Criminally Underused
Captain America 2: Evil White Businessman, Along with Anti Villian Bucky.

Avengers 1; LOKI!....Along with his army of Alien Cannon Fodder.
Avengers 2: ULTRON ! And his army of Robot Cannon Fodder !

People arn't tirerd of Superhero Movies because there are too many of them. People are starting to become tired because of how lazy they are, how boring and unoriginal their conflict and resolution is. Daredevil is probably the most Interesting use of a *Superhero* IP I have seen so far, and even that isn't Mind Blowing stuff.
Its going to be movies like this that drag everyone else down in the Pit if Superhero movies crash and burn and people become sick of them.
Maybe im being too cynical but I was really hoping they would try to push the Medium even just alittle bit with Avengers 2, not go backwards. I could probably write more but those were my main Negatives about the Movie.

I've seen people complain that X-men: Days of Future Past didn't have enough action sequences. If you're throwing in action and explosions just to look cool, then that's only skin deep and uninspiring. I obviously haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to retain the opinion that Days of Future Past is the best superhero movie in many years.

 

[Alienous]

I can see what Whedon was trying to do with Ultron, I just think he failed at making him a menace.

His first appearance is really the only one where you get a sense of the threat he is. Otherwise he isn't a good villain. Like, he pretty much has a reaction of "drats" when the Avengers come to take the Vision. His plan was travel with the Vision to ... somewhere (I assume the country where the finale takes place).

He has one of his Ultron bots driving the van like he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain. He didn't think to steal a plane, or anything.

And he has an attachment to 'I got not strings' and meteors that doesn't seem to come from anywhere.

 

[samar11]

So between now and Infinity war I heard there is going to be Capital Marvel and Doctor strange and a few other ones with their own movies. Are they all going to be in the Infinity war fighting Thanos? Like an army of super heroes ? lol

 

[Ithil]

I can see what Whedon was trying to do with Ultron, I just think he failed at making him a menace.

His first appearance is really the only one where you get a sense of the threat he is. Otherwise he isn't a good villain. Like, he pretty much has a reaction of "drats" when the Avengers come to take the Vision. His plan was travel with the Vision to ... somewhere (I assume the country where the finale takes place).

He has one of his Ultron bots driving the van like he's a Saturday morning cartoon villain. He didn't think to steal a plane, or anything.

And he has an attachment to 'I got not strings' and meteors that doesn't seem to come from anywhere.

I don't know why a villain's quality is entirely measured by "menace".

The "got no strings" for instance ends up tying into his attempt to create a "human" body for himself with Vision later (ie, become a real boy) that's supposed to be the ideal combination of human and machine.

 

[Alienous]

I sort of liked how Ultron didn't seem to understand whether he hated or loved humans. Like how his plan is to wipe out all humans, but he apologizes for accidentally cutting Klaue's arm off, and seems genuinely sad that the Maximoffs turned on him. Then there's his keeping Widow around just to have someone to listen to him.

He even says to Wanda before she destroys his last form that she needs to get away from the city or she'll die, even though his plan by its nature would kill her too. All his logic is mixed up and I do that that was intentional.

I will have to pay more attention on a rewatch but it seems like there was a lot of thought that went into Ultron as a character, but the problem is people were expecting something else (a "menacing humorless doom robot" it seems) and that's affecting how people read it.

I remember prior to the movie's release Ultron being likened to a child, and I guess that's what he was. He had a very childish viewpoint on the world. I can see how that might clash with trying to portray him as a legitimate threat; he isn't evil as much as he is powerful and misguided.

 

[Hamlet]

Just got back from seeing it. Enjoyed it a lot.
Was happy to see Hawkeye got more of the spotlight and get some decent character development. Vision was also pretty cool. Loved that scene where he just handed back Thors hammer like nothing. My audience loved it. Same also with Tony repeatedly shouting "Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Go to sleep." as he mashes his melee punch ha.
The twins were pretty good. Shame about Quicksilver dying though. Was starting to really like him. The train sequence with the two was great.
Ultron was a tad disappointing wasn't quite what I expected. Twins more than made up for it. Happy to see Scarlet Witch join the Avengers at the end.

 

[Ithil]

People have been complaining about the "hero or heroes fight a lot of mook" action scene for a while now. Something they haven't done so far in Marvel is "superhero team vs supervillain team". That would be a colossal effort to pull off and you could only do it once, but it's worth at least one shot.

As in say, five villains vs five Avengers in a big melee.

 

[Carl2291]

So between now and Infinity war I heard there is going to be Capital Marvel and Doctor strange and a few other ones with their own movies. Are they all going to be in the Infinity war fighting Thanos? Like an army of super heroes ? lol

Strange and Panther are before Infinity War 1.

IW1 comes before Captain Marvel and Inhumans, so what we are likely to see is the Avengers getting their shit pushed in for Part 1 and CM joining for Part 2.

The fact that we have 6 MCU movies (so far) releasing before Infinity War 1 is daunting. A lot can change between now and then.

 

[Maximo]

I remember prior to the movie's release Ultron being likened to a child, and I guess that's what he was. He had a very childish viewpoint on the world. I can see how that might clash with trying to portray him as a legitimate threat; he isn't evil as much as he is powerful and misguided.

(Not directly quoting you mainly agreeing]
In the Comics he basically is a child, throwing tantrums and not understanding certain aspects of life/human emotions. Like you have said It isn't that I wanted a mindless killer Robot I wish they actually made him feel like a threat.

 

[Ithil]

(Not directly quoting you mainly agreeing]
In the Comics he basically is a child, throwing tantrums and not understanding certain aspects of life/human emotions. Like you have said It isn't that I wanted a mindless killer Robot I wish they actually made him feel like a threat.

Well in the comics he's always going on about how flawed humans are and then he's turning around and trying to build himself a robot family.

 

[kurahador]

People have been complaining about the "hero or heroes fight a lot of mook" action scene for a while now. Something they haven't done so far in Marvel is "superhero team vs supervillain team". That would be a colossal effort to pull off and you could only do it once, but it's worth at least one shot.

As in say, five villains vs five Avengers in a big melee.

We'll see that in Civil War I think.

Strange and Panther are before Infinity War 1.

IW1 comes before Captain Marvel and Inhumans, so what we are likely to see is the Avengers getting their shit pushed in for Part 1 and CM joining for Part 2.

The fact that we have 6 MCU movies (so far) releasing before Infinity War 1 is daunting. A lot can change between now and then.

Actually Spiderman pushed Panther and Inhumans. Panther will be after IW part 1, and Inhumans will be after IW part 2.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I sort of liked how Ultron didn't seem to understand whether he hated or loved humans. Like how his plan is to wipe out all humans, but he apologizes for accidentally cutting Klaue's arm off, and seems genuinely sad that the Maximoffs turned on him. Then there's his keeping Widow around just to have someone to listen to him.

He even says to Wanda before she destroys his last form that she needs to get away from the city or she'll die, even though his plan by its nature would kill her too. All his logic is mixed up and I do that that was intentional.

I will have to pay more attention on a rewatch but it seems like there was a lot of thought that went into Ultron as a character, but the problem is people were expecting something else (a "menacing humorless doom robot" it seems) and that's affecting how people read it.

Ultron here reminds me of Whedon's own original villain from Buffy, Glory. Alternatively urbane and sympathetic, then sociopathic and ruthless. Feeling that the world is frustrating and confusing, and full of impotent rage that has to go somewhere as an outlet.

If the MCU follows the principle that Ultron is never truly destroyed, I wonder if other writers will take it from here when Ultron returns rather than using him as a doombot (pun not intended). I think it would be interesting to have a villain that does bad things because they don't know what they want, rather than shallow desire for power or domination.

 

[Ithil]

We'll see that in Civil War I think.

Marvel have had the problem many other superhero films, including by Fox, Sony and WB had where they kept killing off their villains with only a few exceptions (like Magneto) at the end of their first appearance.

So they're actually a bit short on still living villains to have as the opposing team in a potential team vs team brawl.

 

[Alienous]

Marvel have had the problem many other superhero films, including by Fox, Sony and WB had where they kept killing off their villains with only a few exceptions (like Magneto) at the end of their first appearance.

So they're actually a bit short on still living villains to have as the opposing team in a potential team vs team brawl.

It is a shame, because there are only so many ways you and do a 5 vs. many type brawl.

 

[Red Arremer]

Captain America 1: Red Mask Criminally Underused

In all fairness, Weaving departed from Marvel, that's why they didn't use him again. He's too big of a character to recast - a supporting character like War Machine is not as significant as a main bad guy.
I believe that if Weaving had continued his work with Marvel, Red Skull would've returned instead of all the Hydra B-listers.

 

[Ithil]

It is a shame, because there are only so many ways you and do a 5 vs. many type brawl.

Well I mean if they hadn't killed off so many villains they could have had the new Avengers team of Cap/Widow/Witch/Vision/Falcon/War Machine vs say Abomination/Yellowjacket/Whiplash/Extremis Killian/Winter Soldier/Zemo

Just as a generic example, not one that particularly makes sense. It's hard to get a villain team that could stand up to Vision/Witch and still make sense as teaming together (as in Thanos/Ronan/Dormammu types aren't going to be on a team with others)

 

[Carl2291]

Actually Spiderman pushed Panther and Inhumans. Panther will be after IW part 1, and Inhumans will be after IW part 2.

Well that is depressing.

 

[FeD.nL]

In all fairness, Weaving departed from Marvel, that's why they didn't use him again. He's too big of a character to recast - a supporting character like War Machine is not as significant as a main bad guy.
I believe that if Weaving had continued his work with Marvel, Red Skull would've returned instead of all the Hydra B-listers.

Could just give him a new "mask". If they recasted Banner then Red Skull should not be a problem too.

 

[Anachronox]

Hulk is running away from responsibility for what he did in Johannesburg (thats when he started talking about hiding), which ironically wasn't much when u consider starks wealth
Actually kind childish

That's actually a good point, didn't think about it like that. Now that you mention it, wasn't there talk about them issuing an arrest warrant for Banner or at least considering it?

Banner was horrified by what he did and he isn't running from arrest warrants or responsibility but himself. He isn't in control and that scares him more than anything else and Stark picking up the bill wouldn't change that.

 

[hamchan]

Red Skull is the easiest villain to bring back since anyone can play him and he's not dead, just transported away somewhere.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

We'll see that in Civil War I think.



Actually Spiderman pushed Panther and Inhumans. Panther will be after IW part 1, and Inhumans will be after IW part 2.

How does that even work anyway? I thought IW2 was supposed to be the absolute end of phase 3 at the very least, how is Inhumans still part of phase 3?

 

[hamchan]

How does that even work anyway? I thought IW2 was supposed to be the absolute end of phase 3 at the very least, how is Inhumans still part of phase 3?

Same way Ant-Man is part of phase 2 and comes out after Avengers 2. It doesn't really matter.

 

[kurahador]

How does that even work anyway? I thought IW2 was supposed to be the absolute end of phase 3 at the very least, how is Inhumans still part of phase 3?

Avengers stopped being the book end since Phase 3 announcement.
Ant-Man is still Phase 2 btw.

 

[razzmahtazz]

People have been complaining about the "hero or heroes fight a lot of mook" action scene for a while now. Something they haven't done so far in Marvel is "superhero team vs supervillain team". That would be a colossal effort to pull off and you could only do it once, but it's worth at least one shot.

As in say, five villains vs five Avengers in a big melee.

Wouldnt CAP2 count as this? Bucky VS CAP, Fury and BW VS Pierce, Crossbones VS Falcon

Who is the villain of Ant-man anyway? What are his powers and background?

You'll be glad to know that its another Evil White Businessman in a Super suite that is bald like Jeff Bridges was

 

[XShadows69]

So bye bye Iron Man in Infinity War?

 

[Ithil]

Wouldnt CAP2 count as this? Bucky VS CAP, Fury and BW VS Pierce, Crossbones VS Falcon



You'll be glad to know that its another Evil White Businessman in a Super suite that is bald like Jeff Bridges was

Those are one on one fights, I meant a full team vs team brawl.

 

[hamchan]

So bye bye Iron Man in Infinity War?

Probably. Can't imagine RDJ doing this for the rest of his life. The whole original team and their actors might be gone after Avengers 3.

 

[KingKong]

That yellow dude
He's very mean

what if instead of a yellow dude his enemy was an actual wasp. that would make for a better movie imo

 

[Nightengale]

One of my personal disappointments of the movie was how it betrayed my own misguided expectations.

I remember how the first trailers gave the vibe of a global-scale conflict with Ultrons bots fucking-everywhere and that's what I thought it'd be, but by and large, it's just a highly constrained Sokovia conflict & Ultron spends more time scheming, playing chess with Jarvis 0.5, and on "muh body."

It almost feels like a step-back from the first Avengers, and that the whole 'we meteor now' set-piece was for the sake of escalating the stakes to an extinction level end-game without actually framing the conflict in a global scale.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Probably. Can't imagine RDJ doing this for the rest of his life. The whole original team and their actors might be gone after Avengers 3.

I hope so, makes room for a new team.

 

[RadioHammer500]

damm im seeing alot of negative impressions of the film.

so it's not as good as the first one?

 

[Saya]

You'll be glad to know that its another Evil White Businessman in a Super suite that is bald like Jeff Bridges was

Yup, as expected. Wonder how many more of these we'll get to see.

 

[Altairre]

I've seen people complain that X-men: Days of Future Past didn't have enough action sequences. If you're throwing in action and explosions just to look cool, then that's only skin deep and uninspiring. I obviously haven't seen Age of Ultron yet, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to retain the opinion that Days of Future Past is the best superhero movie in many years.

I thought Days of Future Past's attempts at making the story more emotional and character driven were extremely clunky to the point that I just couldn't shake my head at some of the motivations and actions of certain characters. And if you want to talk about underdeveloped antagonists then Peter Dinklage's Trask fits right in.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What are the chances that Thanos will be able to complete the gauntlet? I'm wondering if Vision will end up being the main death in IW Part 1 as Thanos tears out the gem to complete his gauntlet.

damm im seeing alot of negative impressions of the film.

so it's not as good as the first one?

I'm torn. In some ways it is (more focus on developing characters like Hawkeye and some back story on BW) and in some ways it's not -Ultron is a wisecracking moron and the movie suffers tremendously from having a weak villain. There's absolutely no sense of threat, you never feel anyone is in danger when Ultron is around, he's just there and they fight and that's it.

 

[Peterthumpa]

What are the chances that Thanos will be able to complete the gauntlet? I'm wondering if Vision will end up being the main death in IW Part 1 as Thanos tears out the gem to complete his gauntlet.



I'm torn. In some ways it is (more focus on developing characters like Hawkeye and some back story on BW) and in some ways it's not -Ultron is a wisecracking moron and the movie suffers tremendously from having a weak villain. There's absolutely no sense of threat, you never feel anyone is in danger when Ultron is around, he's just there and they fight and that's it.

Weak villain by weak villain, Ultron is miles ahead of Loki. If anything, this is a step up from the first movie.

 

[hamchan]

I think they have to show a finished Infinity Gauntlet, otherwise it's a bit anticlimactic for the audience, but once Thanos gets it finished it's pretty much game over for the heroes unless he does his old "oh I give up I'm defeating myself I really don't want to win" routine, which could also rub audiences the wrong way.

 

[Ithil]

damm im seeing alot of negative impressions of the film.

so it's not as good as the first one?

It's a better film than the first one, but not as good an event.

 

[RadioHammer500]

The more I think about the movie and bounce off opinions with others, the more I think about how average the movie really is.
For what could have been a interesting Villain is quickly turned into almost a comic relief who banters and toses out witty remarks to the Heros. He has no Presence about him no Malice no sense of greater use of intelligence or depth to him, its like the writers are scared of Portraying the Villain..as a fucking Villain, or even being better then any one of the Superheros.
There is no sense of immediate danger in any single moment of the movie, its like watching a bunch of children play around in a safety pen wrapped in bubble wrap with no way for them to harm themselves, there is even a shot of a fucking dog getting onto the ship as its about to leave. Tony goes mono e mono with Ultron and blows him to pieces, even Captain America goes toe to toe with him, takes a few laser blasts to the chest then gets back up to keep going.

The only time Ultron kills someone is when he Uses a Plane to shoot someone, REALLY I mean REALLY, seriously ? It almost feels like there is no originally is this movie just a bunch of Flashes Bangs Mechs, pretty CGI and somewhat convincing fight scenes in big set piece moments. When even the final fight feels as tense as watching someone uncork a bottle of wine, nothing but mindless Cannon Fodder for them to fight with Ultron in the background.
Tired of how boring Marvel's Villains are.

Iron Man 1; Evil White Businessman.
Iron Man 2: Evil White Business Man, Ganging with Evil Russian with a skipping rope as a weapon.
Iron Man 3: INTERESTING VILLAIN, oh wait nvm Evil White Businessman.

Thor 1: Wouldn't even call Loki a *Villian*
Thor 2: Evil...Elves ? No one remembers that movie.

Captain America 1: Red Mask Criminally Underused
Captain America 2: Evil White Businessman, Along with Anti Villian Bucky.

Avengers 1; LOKI!....Along with his army of Alien Cannon Fodder.
Avengers 2: ULTRON ! And his army of Robot Cannon Fodder !

People arn't tirerd of Superhero Movies because there are too many of them. People are starting to become tired because of how lazy they are, how boring and unoriginal their conflict and resolution is. Daredevil is probably the most Interesting use of a *Superhero* IP I have seen so far, and even that isn't Mind Blowing stuff.
Its going to be movies like this that drag everyone else down in the Pit if Superhero movies crash and burn and people become sick of them.
Maybe im being too cynical but I was really hoping they would try to push the Medium even just alittle bit with Avengers 2, not go backwards. I could probably write more but those were my main Negatives about the Movie.

may i ask something

why do you add "Evil WHITE Buisnessman" instead of just "Evil Buisnessman"... just wondering, threw me off of your post..

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Weak villain by weak villain, Ultron is miles ahead of Loki. If anything, this is a step up from the first movie.

Loki wasn't particularly threatening either, but I wouldn't call him a weak villain. At least he had a up close and personal kill count (which was retconned a few months later in AoS), but he had a certain amount of unpredictability about him. Ultron was positively limp and one note in comparison.

Loki could be joking one minute, trying to kill you the next. Ultron was just wisecracking all over the place without actually being threatening or dangerous in any way. Even when he's apparently all over the planet, we don't get an idea of how that's bad...we're just given that information and meant to accept it's bad.