The Most Evil of All Disney Villains

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CorvoSol

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I recently rewatched Disney's Bambi, and while watching the movie I was struck upon by just how horrifying the film's villain is. Known only as Man, this character's evil has come to define the film in a way I don't think any other villain has for any other Disney movie. Oh certainly, other Disney villains are perhaps better known, but when you ask someone about what happened in Cinderella the wicked Step Mom probably isn't the first thing out of their mouths. When you ask someone what happened in Bambi, though, they will always, always remember what Man did.

I'm talking, of course, about Man's murder of Bambi's mother. Everybody knows it happens. It's the "Aerith dies" of Disney animated movies. What stuck with me, though, was how much presence and power Man commands aside from this action.

Jaffar? Scar? Ursula? Petty, small time nobodies compared to Man. Each of them is undone. Man isn't. I don't care if the villain turns into a dragon and breathes fire or if the villain is the Devil himself, none of them has shit on Man.

Lemme break it down for you.

Man is invisible. The entire movie you never see Man. His first "appearance" is simply the sudden fear he strikes in the hearts of the entire meadow that sends them screaming and running in sheer terror. Even Man's weapons are unseen. His bullets are just shrieks accompanied by explosions and death. Perhaps in an effort to show how little the animals can comprehend Man, his being and the means he uses to kill them are completely impossible to see. Even the forces of nature are seen in the movie, bolts of lightning and fire are understandable, but Man is a strange, absurd alien whose coming causes even the woodland's mighty king to run in fear.

What's more is that Man's power defines their society. The Woodland realm's Great Prince is chosen because he is the oldest of all stags in the forest, and he's the oldest because he is the best at running away from Man. The one function as Prince we see him fulfill is warning others that now is the time to run. Their very social structure is built around fearing and fleeing from Man.

Man is invincible. It follows that, if no one can ever even SEE Man, then no one can hope to fight him. There is no choice but to flee from him. When first Man appears his gunfire seems to cause the entire meadow to explode, almost at random. The implication is obvious: no one can so much as approach man, because Man is an absurdly good shot. At one point Bambi, fleeing from Man's servants, the Hounds, jumps out over a canyon, only to be shot dead on in the flank. He spends the remainder of the film shot. Man lands a fucking shot on Bambi's side in what is a brief moment of visibility on kinda long odds.

Man is not alone. He has an army, and they are legion.


You tell me if that boneless lump of sugar stands a chance against the soulless horde that Man unleashes to corner Bambi and his friends. Those dogs have sclera, at least, but some of them just have gaping holes of evil where their eyes and hearts should be. And even Bambi, who is many times larger and armed with sharp horns stands no chance against The Hounds. There are too many of them, and they're too fast, too angry, and fearless. The best Bambi ever manages to do is slow them down. The worst of all, though, is that The Hounds are loud. When they come for you, Man will know where you are, and sooner or later you'll have your back to a cliff as The Hounds nip at your heels and Man leisurely strolls up to you. That screaming, incomprehensible fiend from another world, with the shrieking death in his hands.

Man is insatiable. It doesn't matter if you're a chipmunk, deer or pheasant, Man will find you, Man will kill you, and Man will eat you. When Man arrives at the Meadow, the Pheasants are cowering as he draws nearer and nearer, never seen but ever felt, until one of them, overtaken by her fear, tries to fly. She dies almost instantly. And although we can assume Man's motives are to eat you, there's no circle of life to explain that. To the animals, there's no closure of knowing the shapeless evil that comes for them in the Meadow is doing it for sport and nourishment. Man just comes, kills, and takes you away. What becomes of you from that is completely unknown.

Consider that the film never actually shows Bambi's mother's death, nor even her dead body. Bambi runs home from the meadow, realizes mom didn't make it, and gets back to the Meadow. His craven father is standing there, and all he can say is that "your mother can't be with you anymore."

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I'm sorry, son, but your father, the Great Prince was too busy running from the inexplicable scion of doom to save your mother. She's gone now, and there is no means of knowing why, or to where, or to what end. There's nothing for you now, save the dark, cold embrace of an empty and meaningless winter.

And of course, even after Man kills your mother or your neighbor or someone else you love, it doesn't matter, because Man can and will effortlessly destroy your world. At the film's climax, Man sets the forest ablaze without, really, any action. We never even see Man in his camp. He has no real interest in destroying the forest, yet his power to do so is shocking. Where Jaffar needed Godlike powers from the Lamp just to overturn a few towers in Agrabah, and where Ursula needed the Trident to oppose Triton, where Hades needed an army of Titans to fight Zeus and conquer Olympus, Man destroy's Bambi's world in a matter of moments without lifting a single finger.

Now sure, you might be saying "But Man's victims are tiny animals and not Gods!" but that's the point. Nobody in any other Disney movie is anywhere near as outmatched by the villain as the forest creatures in Bambi. The fact that Man is also unseen, seemingly unfeeling, unthinking and uncaring only serves to make the fact that he is also all-powerful that much more pointed.

He's not a God, not an Alien, not a Wizard or a Genie or a Witch or a Dragon. He's just a Man, with a gun, some dogs and a campfire. He doesn't need to surround himself with demons, scary catholic imagery or third reich callbacks to scare you. Without ever appearing on screen he drives home to small kids the chilling reality that their moms will some day die, and that they are tiny, powerless children in the face of a world that can burn to ash without ever giving two shits.

In short, Man in Bambi is scarier and more evil than any other Disney movie villain, and he does it without ever being on screen.
 

zeemumu

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Actually Judge Doom was the dude who killed Bambi's mom.

But in terms of most evil, probably Chernabog because he's the devil.
 
Definitely Judge Frollo.

Man is unknowable, and calling him evil makes no quantitative sense. Chernabog is evil by nature.

Frollo is tormented by his own desires, and channels that into murderousness and unfathomable cruelty. He is intentionally evil in a really human sense, which is, for me at least, far worse than the natural, inherent evil of the likes of Chernabog.
 

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bambi is one of the most politically charged films out there. it's a very interesting part of disney's history, for them to do it so overtly menacing instead of couching evil in hammy grandiose or comedy buffoon characters seems so alien when you watch modern animated films.
 

CorvoSol

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Actually Judge Doom was the dude who killed Bambi's mom.

But in terms of most evil, probably Chernabog because he's the devil.

I would have said Chernobog but ok.

Chernabog is so evil he does 0 evil things to people and then runs away when the sun comes out.

Now, Man, on the other hand, walks out into that Meadow sun or snow and brings fear and death to those animals to satisfy a wordless, unending hunger for flesh and sport.
 

Eidan

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OP, I came in here ready to name some villain from a movie I really liked, but you made a damned compelling argument. I too will say Man from Bambi. Bravo.
 

Data West

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The Enchantress in Beauty and the Beast places a curse on a prince and a bunch of his completely innocent servants simply because the prince(a member of royalty) wouldn't let a stranger into his home.

That's the lesson of the movie.
 
Actually Judge Doom was the dude who killed Bambi's mom.

But in terms of most evil, probably Chernabog because he's the devil.

I would have said Chernobog but ok.

Had to look this dude up cause I didn't recognize the name.

From Wiki:

Chernobog has made appearances in various media. As Chernabog, he features in the "Night on Bald Mountain" sequence in Disney's Fantasia (1940), as a gigantic black gargoyle like creature who summons other ghosts and demons. In an interview, Walt Disney referred to him as Satan himself.[4] Deems Taylor likewise refers to him as such in the film. This rendition also appears in the video games Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance as a boss character, where Night on Bald Mountain is played during his boss fights, making him the only Disney villain with his own personal boss music. He also appears in the drama Once Upon a Time in the episode "Darkness on the Edge of Town.".

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CorvoSol

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Definitely Judge Frollo.

Man is unknowable, and calling him evil makes no quantitative sense. Chernabog is evil by nature.

Frollo is tormented by his own desires, and channels that into murderousness and unfathomable cruelty. He is intentionally evil in a really human sense, which is, for me at least, far worse than the natural, inherent evil of the likes of Chernabog.

If not for the fact that Man slaughters indiscriminately, out of negligence and boredom, he'd simply be an eldritch and hungry abomination. But the fact that Man is doing it because he's bored or not paying attention is what pushes him beyond.

Chernabog, by comparison, does little more than play with some toys until his mom reminds him to go to bed.
 

Ezalc

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Corvo's post made me realize how long it's been since I've seen this movie because I don't remember any of it.
 
That is one hell of an OP, wow. I need to rewatch Bambi. Tears will be shed. :(

I clicked on the thread thinking about Scar because he actually killed his own brother, in cold blood, in front of his nephew. And actually left his nephew for dead too. But really, OP, I have no way to counter your post.
 

CorvoSol

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Frollo just wants to get his really old rocks off, guys. That's at least a motive, however bad, to burn something down.

Man just fucking burns Bambi's entire world to ash in a single night for literally no reason other than that he forgot not to.

Other villains have weaknesses. Shit, Chernabog's weak to fucking light. Other villains have to acquire power before attempting to destroy the world.

Man fails to remember he shouldn't use his awesome power to destroy everything.
 

Data West

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I might second Judge Doom
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Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.
 

Sephzilla

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Frollo just wants to get his really old rocks off, guys. That's at least a motive, however bad, to burn something down.

Man just fucking burns Bambi's entire world to ash in a single night for literally no reason other than that he forgot not to.

Other villains have weaknesses. Shit, Chernabog's weak to fucking light. Other villains have to acquire power before attempting to destroy the world.

Man fails to remember he shouldn't use his awesome power to destroy everything.

An argument could be made that what Man did in Bambi with the fire was accidental and not inherently evil. Frollo turns into a psychotic murderer and potential rapist. In terms of pure evil villains Frollo, Judge Doom, and Scar all trump Man in my opinion (in that order).

I might second Judge Doom
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Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.

Yep, that shit scarred me as a kid.
 
Pretty sure the top evil Villains in the Disney Universe are:

1. Judge Claude Frollo
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Willing to commit genocide out of lust.

2. Captain James Hook
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More than willing to torture and murder children.

3. Cruella de Vil
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More than willing to murder tons of innocent animals in the name of fashion.
 

CorvoSol

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What about Hans from Frozen?

Hans is a dork.

An argument could be made that what Man did in Bambi with the fire was accidental and not inherently evil. Frollo turns into a psychotic murderer and potential rapist. In terms of pure evil villains Frollo, Judge Doom, and Scar all trump Man in my opinion (in that order).

But it's precisely because Man had no reason to destroy the world that he's so scary and evil. Scar, Frollo and Doom all had reasons to do what they did. Frollo wanted to get off, Doom wanted the real estate, and Scar was routinely treated like shit by his family.

Man destroys Bambi's world because he can't be bothered to remember not to. It's definitely an accident, but you don't see the accidents of any other character in the film having consequences of that magnitude. Usually, when Disney villains mess up, it undoes them. When Man fucks up the only ones to suffer are the heroes.

It's an impersonal, negligent evil. I'd say it was like a force of nature except forces of nature are explored in the movie. Bambi's mom explicitly tells him not to fear thunder and we see lightning happening. By contrast we are expected to fear man, and we never see him. He's an unseen, impossible to understand source of pain, death, fear and destruction.
 
Nice write up, great points, Man is a terrifying monster in that film.

My vote goes to Randall from Monster's Inc. though (Pixar/Disney, counts, right?).

The first few times I watched the movie I didn't think about his full plan all that much, but it's my daughter's favorite movie so I've seen it about a thousand and seven times now...

Randall's plan is to kidnap as many children (toddlers!) from the human world as necessary, strap them into Scream Extractors and let them scream themselves to death. Lather, Rinse, Repeat until there are no more children.

Imagine the horror in the human world, across the entire globe, 2 and 3 year olds disappearing from their beds at night, thousands, millions of children just gone. Imagine the horror the child feels, they don't understand what's going on, they don't understand why mommy and daddy aren't coming to save them, why they aren't waking up from this nightmare. Maybe it's because I have kids now but the fear of a parent not being able to keep their children safe literally keeps me awake at night.

I used to think it was harsh that Randall gets clubbed to death and (probably) eaten as his comeuppance, but no, that's too good a death for that incomprehensible monster.

Hans is a dork.

But it's precisely because Man had no reason to destroy the world that he's so scary and evil. Scar, Frollo and Doom all had reasons to do what they did. Frollo wanted to get off, Doom wanted the real estate, and Scar was routinely treated like shit by his family.

Man destroys Bambi's world because he can't be bothered to remember not to. It's definitely an accident, but you don't see the accidents of any other character in the film having consequences of that magnitude. Usually, when Disney villains mess up, it undoes them. When Man fucks up the only ones to suffer are the heroes.

Yeah, Man is scary in Bambi for the same reason Azathoth is scary in Lovecraft stories. Something so alien as to be completely incomprehensible to the protagonists, capable of obliterating their entire personal universe without even realizing it.
 
Chernabog is so evil he does 0 evil things to people and then runs away when the sun comes out.

Now, Man, on the other hand, walks out into that Meadow sun or snow and brings fear and death to those animals to satisfy a wordless, unending hunger for flesh and sport.

You don't even see Man. You spent the whole OP talking about how he was invisible and unknowable. How do you even know Man was responsible for anything you attributed to him?

We never actually see Chernabog or Man do anything evil.
 

Lijik

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I might second Judge Doom
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Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.

This scene used to freak me out as a kid
 
Chernabog is so evil he does 0 evil things to people and then runs away when the sun comes out.

Now, Man, on the other hand, walks out into that Meadow sun or snow and brings fear and death to those animals to satisfy a wordless, unending hunger for flesh and sport.

True but you have to remember one big fact. Chernobog is Satan himself. What was happening in that scene was a Black Mass party, and he doesn't really need to go make someone's life miserable himself when he can command all the hordes of hell to do it for him. That being said I really never looked at Bambi in that way. It will definitely change the entire movie for me when I see it next.

I just feel like we don't know enough about the man that Man was.
 

Bizazedo

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You make a damn good argument, OP, but you said Most Evil, not most comparably powerful. Man in that movie is more like a force of nature than truly evil.

That's why it's Judge Frollo or Judge Doom, imo. I'd go with Frollo, though. He was going to throw a baby down a well to kill it.

Hunchback is a type of Disney movie they'll never make again.
 

Sephzilla

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Hans is a dork.



But it's precisely because Man had no reason to destroy the world that he's so scary and evil. Scar, Frollo and Doom all had reasons to do what they did. Frollo wanted to get off, Doom wanted the real estate, and Scar was routinely treated like shit by his family.

Man destroys Bambi's world because he can't be bothered to remember not to. It's definitely an accident, but you don't see the accidents of any other character in the film having consequences of that magnitude. Usually, when Disney villains mess up, it undoes them. When Man fucks up the only ones to suffer are the heroes.

Scary, yes. Evil, not really. A tornado or hurricane is scary and will destroy your world without reason, but it isn't evil. Man in Bambi is unpredictable and careless but I wouldn't say inherently evil.
 

SalvaPot

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Its the girl at the end of The Jungle Book, seducing Mogli and making abandon his bros.

How dare you girl. How dare you.

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Either Judge Frollo or Scar.

You've got to be one twisted fucker to kill your brother, and make his kid think that it was his fault while trying to kill him as well. Add to that basically leading his pack to near starvation and just about killing their land.
 
True but you have to remember one big fact. Chernobog is Satan himself. What was happening in that scene was a Black Mass party, and he doesn't really need to go make someone's life miserable himself when he can command all the hordes of hell to do it for him. That being said I really never looked at Bambi in that way. It will definitely change the entire movie for me when I see it next.

Presumably Chernabog lurks in the heart of Man, causing him to do the things he does in Bambi.


You make a damn good argument, OP, but you said Most Evil, not most comparably powerful. Man in that movie is more like a force of nature than truly evil.

This is really interesting, because we talk about stories being man vs. man, man vs. nature.

Bambi is a story about man vs. nature, but the roles are reversed. Bambi is the man (the main character), and man is the nature, the uncaring, opposing force that can't be stopped.
 

CorvoSol

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You don't even see Man. You spent the whole OP talking about how he was invisible and unknowable. How do you even know Man was responsible for anything you attributed to him?

We never actually see Chernabog or Man do anything evil.

Because everyone in the movie attributes these things to Man. Bambi's mother warns him about Man. Bambi's dad talks about Man, I think. The fire is shown originating in Man's camp. You never see Man, but you cannot deny his responsibility in the events of the film because the film makes it clear he's responsible.

Also, while you never see man, nor his weapons, you do hear his weapons and they definitely are the cause of Bambi's mother's death.

True but you have to remember one big fact. Chernobog is Satan himself. What was happening in that scene was a Black Mass party, and he doesn't really need to go make someone's life miserable himself when he can command all the hordes of hell to do it for him. That being said I really never looked at Bambi in that way. It will definitely change the entire movie for me when I see it next.

Yeah but Satan never commands his hordes to do anymore than rock out to his sick jams. Chernabog and his host never do anything. And whatever evil they had been planning is promptly snuffed out by sunlight and Ave Maria.

There's no reason to believe, on the other hand, that Man won't be back for more at the end of Bambi. Bambi will live his entire life carrying Man's bullet in his flank until one day it slows him down enough that he can't fight those Hounds or run from that gun or escape those flames.
 
You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
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She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.
 

Sephzilla

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If we are talking most dangerous Disney villains, then Man in Bambi wins in a landslide. In terms of pure evil though, Man is actually a ways down the list.
 
Frollo was killing and persecuting for years before the hottest Disney babe ever, Esmerelda, showed up.

-> sense of duty (albeit twisted)
And add misguided faith too.

Don't get me wrong. Frollo was evil as shit. He obviously is a great villain, one of Disney's darkest, too. But he still has a motive. Lady Tremaine does not.
 

Sami+

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Dude that's one of the best OPs I've ever seen on here, up there with the TLoU symbolism analysis.

I was gonna say Scar but you changed my mind lol.
 

CorvoSol

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You make a damn good argument, OP, but you said Most Evil, not most comparably powerful. Man in that movie is more like a force of nature than truly evil.

Except the film makes a point of excluding Man from the Forces of Nature. During the April Showers scene Bambi's mom teaches him not to fear thunder and lightning cuz it's just nature. Man isn't included in nature. He's outside of it, bringing pain and devastation without being a part of the forest. I suppose you could say that he isn't explicitly evil, but he's certainly the most monstrous.
 

SalvaPot

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You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
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She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.

Wait wait wait wait... didn´t she do it out of jealousy and fear that Cinderella will outstage her daughters?
 

Allforce

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I vote for that guy with the horn-helmet in Avengers. Dude unleashes aliens on NYC that kill 100x the amount of people that died on 9/11
 
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