The Most Evil of All Disney Villains
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You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.
You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.
Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.
Eh yeah but what did she even really do
Like she's just really really fuckin mean but she didn't kill anyone, she's not really very threatening or even smart.
Palpatine was the hero of the prequel trilogy, yo. Bringing order and progress to a stagnant and corrupt galaxy.
But the villain of the only trilogy that matters. Your move Corvo.
Red Arremer
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Did she, though?
Cinderella was a child, and a very innocent and sweet one at that. She never intended to outstage Tremaine's daughters, and Tremaine never had any reason to be jealous of her, either. And even if Cinderella wouldn't have voluntarily stepped aside (which she would've), Tremaine could've easily just held her back without outright mistreating her.
There was no reason for Tremaine to act in the way she did.
Yes, she doesn't cast spells or has guns or an army or whatever. But she still does everything in her power to torment Cinderella. And as you say - she's so blinded by her hatred that she turns utterly stupid.
I'd call that really fucking evil.
that's just normal lion behavior - except for the fratricide part maybe
Uhm, well, before Canon was changed I could've argued it was all a plan to prepare Luke and the galaxy to fight The Yuuzhan Vong, but they're not canon now so IDK.
Palpatine was the best guy cuz he was secretly training Luke's future and awesome wife.
What if it was the same man all along
Everybody treated Scar like shit. If he'd turned out to be a competent King Simba's claim to the throne would've lost a lot of its fire. Like legit Mufasa had it coming.
Dr. Hans Reinhardt and Maximilian
Isn't this a boss from DKC3?
Red Arremer
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To be fair, though, he was able to rally the most vicious faction of the Pride Lands underneath his banner. If he can tame even the hyenas and turn them into the animal Wehrmacht, imagine what he could've done with the help of agreeable animals.
What's interesting about this is that I tend to find the "douche a-hole" villains to be more effective at making me despise them than the flat-out "evil" ones. I mean Maleficent is basically Disney's Satan, and Scar murdered his own brother/tried to murder his nephew, and yet I hate characters like Gaston and Hans so much more (in a good way, that's the point)
Maybe it's that they're such gigantic arrogant douchebags, oh and Hans betrayed little miss adorkable herself Anna (which makes it even worse), but I just want something to kick them in the balls whenever they show up onscreen. And the Stepmother from Cinderella works because she torments this completely innocent person, and there appears to be no good reason for it besides "I'm a *****."
Maybe it's that they're such gigantic arrogant douchebags, oh and Hans betrayed little miss adorkable herself Anna (which makes it even worse), but I just want something to kick them in the balls whenever they show up onscreen. And the Stepmother from Cinderella works because she torments this completely innocent person, and there appears to be no good reason for it besides "I'm a *****."
Didn't it have boxing gloves or something like that? similar.
Nostalgia Critic had a great reaction to that. "He turned group of cackling Hyenas into the freaking Third Reich." Scar is like Cersei Lannister on GOT in a way. They're both really good at scheming their way into power, but pretty incompetent at actually ruling anything.
kills an innocent woman , tries to drown her baby , locks baby up in a beltower , burns people alive , lusts over woman , offers their freedom in exchange for sex all the while claiming he is a good christian and doing gods work .
Yep i think we have a winner here .
Interesting analysis. In that case the Man is a Lovecraftian horror sort of creature, too grand and incomprehensible in his actions, with meaningless horror happening just because he happens to be around to do whatever he wants to do, with the animals involved too below his notice to care.
Speedydonut
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I don't know about most evil but if you put him in a bad mood he'll try to kill you. He even killed some of his own men. I remember reading there were parts taken out of him drowning other mice.
Also, remember. Doom went out of his way to create something to kill that which couldn't be killed. Something that existed in a positive manner that was thought invulnerable. He went out to find a way to kill it. Not to detain it. To kill it. To introduce something into the world that would make something immortal mortal.
That's like some Satan killing Angels shit. Toons in that universe will never be the same because someone found a way to kill them even after his death.
That's like some Satan killing Angels shit. Toons in that universe will never be the same because someone found a way to kill them even after his death.
I don't know about most evil but if you put him in a bad mood he'll try to kill you. He even killed some of his own men. I remember reading there were parts taken out of him drowning other mice.
Ah Vincent Price, you were clearly having SO MUCH FUN making that movie. From what I've heard, Ratigan was actually his favorite role, he loved it.
DeaconKnowledge
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You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.
You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.
Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.
Eh, she's riding for her kin over her step child. That happens every day.
manzoman96
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I dunno, I found her pretty threatening. She pretty much had total control over Cinderella's life, and she made sure to use that control.
Doom's a close second for me. I admit I haven't got a lot of reasons to put him down beyond the fact that Doom appears in what I'd call a more cynical movie, meaning that the audience watching it is better equipped to handle this snarling evil than Man, whose 'appearances' in Bambi take a movie from being the safest and most friendly looking Disney movie of all to one of literal animal terror. Just look at the difference in Flower and The Hounds. It's a really stark contrast in a movie that's aimed at little kids. When Man shows up the first time, the animals go from being sort of detailed cartoon animals to colorful blurs moving as fast as they can to get away from him.
Even the characters in Roger Rabbit are better at handling Doom than the animals in Bambi at handling Man. Like, Eddy hates and probably fears him, but he faces him with jokes and wit, while the animals are driven insane by the simple presence of Man. There are words to explain and communicate who and what Doom is, what his goals are, his motives, his personality. There isn't any of that for Man. Man is only ever explained in terms of fear. Bambi doesn't even ask who they ran from or what they ran from. He asks why they ran, and Bambi's mom doesn't explain that they ran from an apex predator who kills and eats everything it can, she says "Because Man was in the forest." and that's it.
Honestly I was just really captivated by the force of Disney's point with Man in the movie. It's more like a monster from a horror-thriller than your standard Disney villain. Man doesn't have a song. He doesn't give a speech while he strokes his beard. He doesn't gloat, pose, or do most anything that the standard Disney villain does. Yet he's infinitely more menacing than any of them. Comparatively he outclasses all of them. The damage he inflicts upon Bambi and his family and friends far outstrips anything that any other villain in any other movie does.
And the fact that Man might not care at all, and that all this pain and devastation might mean nothing to Man is a powerful message. The ease and leisure with which Man inflicts all of this upon the cast of the film is perhaps the main point. Other villains have to go out of their way to do bad things, but Man does bad things because he doesn't go out of his way to do good. Every other villain has some motive. Hell, even Chernabog's simple "I am evil embodied" is more motivation than you see Man having in the movie. To the animals he's an antagonist beyond the natural, and the source of much of their sadness and pain.
Add to it that, again, Bambi is otherwise an entirely innocent movie about growing up in the woods and it makes just how fucking terrifying Man is stand out that much more. Throw in the very specific fact that he kills Bambi's mom and that that is the moment everybody remembers about the movie and what that moment is famous for doing to children and Man-as-the-villain is really hard to resist because it's just so striking.
Like someone else said in the thread: we're used to Man vs Nature, but Bambi is actually Nature vs Man, with the decidedly heavy slant of "Man way outclasses Nature" and the movie takes on a whole new light to me.
Oh c'mon Corvo. Palpatine was a power hungry egocentric asshole who killed probably billions if not more of lives in his quest to rule everything. As awesome as Mara Jade is or rather was, shit ain't canon anymore. Sheev wins brah.
DeaconKnowledge
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I might second Judge Doom
Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.
Just going by my childhood memories of these cartoons this wins handily. This was horrifying to watch as a child.
The actual act itself itself is brutal too. This was the first time (and I think only) that a charcter in a movie was slowly lowered to his death successfully.
Calamari41
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I haven't seen the animated film since I was little, but the new live-action movie that just came out makes it pretty clear that she hates the fact that her husband still thinks about and loves his dead wife, and she sees the old wife every time she sees Cinderella and wants to crush her for that reason.
Red Arremer
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Ah, okay. They humanized her more in that film then. Because in the animated film, the history of Cinderella's father is barely established.
Eye for an Eye
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Man is also the only one to not have revenge taken upon him.
Cruella was defeated by the dogs.
Frollo was defeated by the gypsies.
Cinderella still won the prince's heart over the step sisters.
Scar is defeated by Simba.
Hook defeated by Peter Pan and the croc.
Pretty much every villian is defeated by the hero. There's no hero in Bambi, only the villian of man that is never defeated.
Cruella was defeated by the dogs.
Frollo was defeated by the gypsies.
Cinderella still won the prince's heart over the step sisters.
Scar is defeated by Simba.
Hook defeated by Peter Pan and the croc.
Pretty much every villian is defeated by the hero. There's no hero in Bambi, only the villian of man that is never defeated.
Nah man Palpatine just wanted to things to be nice and tidy. That's why Imperial stuff is all straight lines and monotone colors.
Dr. Hans Reinhardt and Maximilian
Im pretty damn sure that this movie was the inspiration for the movie "Event Horizon"
The ending was super fucked up.
That's a really nice write-up OP. It's been over two decades since I last saw bambi (I was 5) and I never thought about it like that. I should watch it again soon with the cognizance I now possess. My own vote for the most evil disney villain goes to Frollo. He also happens to be my favourite disney villain. Notre dame is by far my favourite disney movie of all time. Hellfire is also the best disney villain song IMO.
Lys Skygge
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Gov. Ratcliffe from Pocahontas. He sings a song about how Native Americans are savages and that they should be wiped out.
That would have been cool as the gargoyles were the one thing I really didn't care for in the movie.
NipplesAndToes23
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Judge Frollo killed a gypsy woman without a care, wasn't hesitant to drown a baby, was going to burn someone at the stake and not to mention genocide.
I was thinking that as well. Frollo does even comment on this when he finds Quasi talking to them.
I was thinking that as well. Frollo does even comment on this when he finds Quasi talking to them.
TheGreatDirector
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I don't know about most evil but if you put him in a bad mood he'll try to kill you. He even killed some of his own men. I remember reading there were parts taken out of him drowning other mice.
In the "World's Greatest Criminal Mind" Ratigan's men sing about how he drowned WIDOWS and ORPHANS. The dude's damn evil(and extremely entertaining).
UncleSporky
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Man suffered the worst fate of all: after a protracted period of being bedridden, infirm and delirious, he died of old age, facing an infinite darkness, ultimately going there alone, with no one to comfort him.
This thread is about the most evil Disney villains, not the most awesome ones
UncleSporky
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Well, let's be fair, her beastfriend.
I could take this post in all sorts of weird directions from here, but I'm knot going to.
Ganzlinger
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Great text as always, Corvo
I might second Judge Doom
Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.
Man, Doom was creepy as hell. Awesome, but creepy nonetheless.
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