The Most Evil of All Disney Villains

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Disney has always had a really weird hard-on for putting fucking evil villains in films that are otherwise cotton candy.

Also, killing them in very obviously violent ways.

It's really, really fucking weird.
 
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CorvoSol

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Disney has always had a really weird hard-on for putting fucking evil villains in films that are otherwise cotton candy.

Also, killing them in very obviously violent ways.

It's really, really fucking weird.

I actually feel the early acts of the movie are as saccharine as was legal at the time specifically to make the impact of Bambi's mom's death and the ensuing Hellfire that much more powerful for children. Like the movie begins as warm and loving as possible, but after Man appears on the Meadow things begin to speedily go downhill. Every time Man returns, stuff gets staggeringly worse.
 
Could a case be made for Captain Hook? I know he doesn't kill Peter Pan, but doesn't he kill other children? Hasn't he been killing children for years, for sport?

It's mentioned in the live action Hook, but I don't know about Peter Pan.

If he really has been killing children (and Indians I suppose) for years, I think he should be pretty high up on the list.

I put him as second on my list. Pretty sure it's been implied in all versions of Peter Pan that he's killed children.
2. Captain James Hook
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More than willing to torture and murder children.

Disney has always had a really weird hard-on for putting fucking evil villains in films that are otherwise cotton candy.

Also, killing them in very obviously violent ways.

It's really, really fucking weird.
Well a lot of the early stories they're all based on have way more horrific deaths, so the ones in the movies are really tame.
 

Turin

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That was very fun to read. It's been a LONG time since I watched that movie but I see the argument that Man is the most cancerous of the Disney villains.

Frollo is more disturbing on a human level.

CorvoSol, I really liked the write-up.

Every time I read your posts I imagine it in Johan's voice. o.o
 
I might second Judge Doom
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Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.

Judge Doom easily:
- Murdered Valiant's brother by dropping a piano on him
- Murdered Marvin Acme
- Murdered R. K. Maroon when he became a liability
- Murdered an innocent toon Shoe just to make a point and because he could
- Blackmailed Jessica through Maroon
- Framed Rodger Rabbit for the murder he committed
- Created "Dip" specifically to kill his own kind
- Intended to wipe out toontown (and the toons living there) with a mobile Dip-sprayer
- Bought out and started dismantling the trolley system to force people to use the freeway when it was built.

All (except the first and fourth) in hopes to make a fortune through setting up businesses along the freeway through his Cloverleaf company. Four murders, blackmail, falsifying evidence, creating a chemical weapon, terrorism, and planned genocide, not many could compare to his list of deeds.
 

AudioNoir

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Judge Doom easily:
- Murdered Valiant's brother by dropping a piano on him
- Murdered Marvin Acme
- Murdered R. K. Maroon when he became a liability
- Murdered an innocent toon Shoe just to make a point and because he could
- Blackmailed Jessica through Maroon
- Framed Rodger Rabbit for the murder he committed
- Created "Dip" specifically to kill his own kind
- Intended to wipe out toontown (and the toons living there) with a mobile Dip-sprayer
- Bought out and started dismantling the trolley system to force people to use the freeway when it was built.

All (except the first and fourth) in hopes to make a fortune through setting up businesses along the freeway through his Cloverleaf company. Four murders, blackmail, falsifying evidence, creating a chemical weapon, terrorism, and planned genocide, not many could compare to his list of deeds.

Yep, all of this. Judge Doom was the worst. Driven by money and hate for his own race, murderer, blackmailer, terrorist, attempted genocide, and no qualms about giving sweet little things a long, excruciating death as their bodies literally melted into steaming goo.

And it wasn't just because it was his "job". He was who he was, man.
 

Makai

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OP, I came in here ready to name some villain from a movie I really liked, but you made a damned compelling argument. I too will say Man from Bambi. Bravo.
Good job, OP. I would have picked some lame villain of no real consequence to a society.
 

Mr-Joker

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Doom, Captain Hook and Scar are pretty evil and cruel, but my vote will have to go to

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Hades is pure evil and clearly love doing it and the best part is unlike the other villains Hades isn't dead.

The Enchantress in Beauty and the Beast places a curse on a prince and a bunch of his completely innocent servants simply because the prince(a member of royalty) wouldn't let a stranger into his home.

That's the lesson of the movie.

No the Prince wouldn't let an ugly hag in but had no problem allowing a beautiful woman in, so he got cruse to teach him not to be obsessed with looks.
 

CorvoSol

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Do Roger Rabbit characters actually fall under the Disney bucket, come to think of it? I thought that whole movie was in some weird limbo of joint ownership.
 

Data West

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Do Roger Rabbit characters actually fall under the Disney bucket, come to think of it? I thought that whole movie was in some weird limbo of joint ownership.
Production company of Touchstone(Disney) and Amblin(independent)
Distributed by Buena Vista(of Disney)
Not to mention Disney owns the rights to Roger.
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TEJ

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I don't believe anybody here has mentioned Zira from the lion king 2.

She's just plain bloodthirsty and a grade A psychopath. She takes joy in the thought of killing simba, trained kovu most of his life to killing him, has a villain song that's about murder, and
commits suicide
instead of letting
kiara save her.

Also at the beginning of the movie she
offers cub kovu to simba, hoping he would kill him.
 

eso76

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I'm talking, of course, about Man's murder of Bambi's mother. Everybody knows it happens.

I am not sure.
When my 2y/o daughter saw the movie last year she had a different view on what happened.
Right after that Bambi meets his father and she was like: "now they go back and find mom, they'll bring her back and they'll find the man and tell him 'Not good, man, not good ! you don't shoot moms ! you were a bad man, now say you're sorry !".
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I don't believe anybody here has mentioned Zira from the lion king 2.

Aside from Lion King 2 being pretty bad, Zira was a grieving and overprotective mother gone insane, driven by the thought of revenge. Her actions are wrong and evil, but she herself is not inherently so, I'd argue.
 

wildfire

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Did she, though?
Cinderella was a child, and a very innocent and sweet one at that. She never intended to outstage Tremaine's daughters, and Tremaine never had any reason to be jealous of her, either. And even if Cinderella wouldn't have voluntarily stepped aside (which she would've), Tremaine could've easily just held her back without outright mistreating her.

There was no reason for Tremaine to act in the way she did.

She's the step mother. By default she didn't want to be left with the baggage of some other woman's child. That was the initial root of her jealousy. Eventually it extended to protection for her daughters who couldn't hold a candle to Cinderalla's respectability or beauty.
 

IISANDERII

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I recently rewatched Disney's Bambi, and while watching the movie I was struck upon by just how horrifying the film's villain is. Known only as Man, this character's evil has come to define the film in a way I don't think any other villain has for any other Disney movie. Oh certainly, other Disney villains are perhaps better known, but when you ask someone about what happened in Cinderella the wicked Step Mom probably isn't the first thing out of their mouths. When you ask someone what happened in Bambi, though, they will always, always remember what Man did.

I'm talking, of course, about Man's murder of Bambi's mother. Everybody knows it happens. It's the "Aerith dies" of Disney animated movies. What stuck with me, though, was how much presence and power Man commands aside from this action.

Jaffar? Scar? Ursula? Petty, small time nobodies compared to Man. Each of them is undone. Man isn't. I don't care if the villain turns into a dragon and breathes fire or if the villain is the Devil himself, none of them has shit on Man.

Lemme break it down for you.

Man is invisible. The entire movie you never see Man. His first "appearance" is simply the sudden fear he strikes in the hearts of the entire meadow that sends them screaming and running in sheer terror. Even Man's weapons are unseen. His bullets are just shrieks accompanied by explosions and death. Perhaps in an effort to show how little the animals can comprehend Man, his being and the means he uses to kill them are completely impossible to see. Even the forces of nature are seen in the movie, bolts of lightning and fire are understandable, but Man is a strange, absurd alien whose coming causes even the woodland's mighty king to run in fear.

What's more is that Man's power defines their society. The Woodland realm's Great Prince is chosen because he is the oldest of all stags in the forest, and he's the oldest because he is the best at running away from Man. The one function as Prince we see him fulfill is warning others that now is the time to run. Their very social structure is built around fearing and fleeing from Man.

Man is invincible. It follows that, if no one can ever even SEE Man, then no one can hope to fight him. There is no choice but to flee from him. When first Man appears his gunfire seems to cause the entire meadow to explode, almost at random. The implication is obvious: no one can so much as approach man, because Man is an absurdly good shot. At one point Bambi, fleeing from Man's servants, the Hounds, jumps out over a canyon, only to be shot dead on in the flank. He spends the remainder of the film shot. Man lands a fucking shot on Bambi's side in what is a brief moment of visibility on kinda long odds.

Man is not alone. He has an army, and they are legion.



You tell me if that boneless lump of sugar stands a chance against the soulless horde that Man unleashes to corner Bambi and his friends. Those dogs have sclera, at least, but some of them just have gaping holes of evil where their eyes and hearts should be. And even Bambi, who is many times larger and armed with sharp horns stands no chance against The Hounds. There are too many of them, and they're too fast, too angry, and fearless. The best Bambi ever manages to do is slow them down. The worst of all, though, is that The Hounds are loud. When they come for you, Man will know where you are, and sooner or later you'll have your back to a cliff as The Hounds nip at your heels and Man leisurely strolls up to you. That screaming, incomprehensible fiend from another world, with the shrieking death in his hands.

Man is insatiable. It doesn't matter if you're a chipmunk, deer or pheasant, Man will find you, Man will kill you, and Man will eat you. When Man arrives at the Meadow, the Pheasants are cowering as he draws nearer and nearer, never seen but ever felt, until one of them, overtaken by her fear, tries to fly. She dies almost instantly. And although we can assume Man's motives are to eat you, there's no circle of life to explain that. To the animals, there's no closure of knowing the shapeless evil that comes for them in the Meadow is doing it for sport and nourishment. Man just comes, kills, and takes you away. What becomes of you from that is completely unknown.

Consider that the film never actually shows Bambi's mother's death, nor even her dead body. Bambi runs home from the meadow, realizes mom didn't make it, and gets back to the Meadow. His craven father is standing there, and all he can say is that "your mother can't be with you anymore."



And of course, even after Man kills your mother or your neighbor or someone else you love, it doesn't matter, because Man can and will effortlessly destroy your world. At the film's climax, Man sets the forest ablaze without, really, any action. We never even see Man in his camp. He has no real interest in destroying the forest, yet his power to do so is shocking. Where Jaffar needed Godlike powers from the Lamp just to overturn a few towers in Agrabah, and where Ursula needed the Trident to oppose Triton, where Hades needed an army of Titans to fight Zeus and conquer Olympus, Man destroy's Bambi's world in a matter of moments without lifting a single finger.

Now sure, you might be saying "But Man's victims are tiny animals and not Gods!" but that's the point. Nobody in any other Disney movie is anywhere near as outmatched by the villain as the forest creatures in Bambi. The fact that Man is also unseen, seemingly unfeeling, unthinking and uncaring only serves to make the fact that he is also all-powerful that much more pointed.

He's not a God, not an Alien, not a Wizard or a Genie or a Witch or a Dragon. He's just a Man, with a gun, some dogs and a campfire. He doesn't need to surround himself with demons, scary catholic imagery or third reich callbacks to scare you. Without ever appearing on screen he drives home to small kids the chilling reality that their moms will some day die, and that they are tiny, powerless children in the face of a world that can burn to ash without ever giving two shits.

In short, Man in Bambi is scarier and more evil than any other Disney movie villain, and he does it without ever being on screen.
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Shit, that's a great little write up right there, well done.

1. I might venture to say that this villain is not only the most brutal in Disney, but in all of cinema!
2. We're the most horrid of villains and that's a sad realization, might make you feel powerless.
3. I'm imagining a remake/reimagining of this theme where humans are being slaughtered by an unseen alien race. A few films come to mind but I don't think the perspective on this scale has gotten justice.
 

Eidan

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It's amazing looking at Bambi videos on YouTube and seeing people defend hunters. It's a goddamn classic film told from the perspective of a deer, why would you feel the need to defend your hobby?
 

Cheerilee

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She's the step mother. By default she didn't want to be left with the baggage of some other woman's child. That was the initial root of her jealousy. Eventually it extended to protection for her daughters who couldn't hold a candle to Cinderalla's respectability or beauty.

Cinderella's father married Tremaine specifically because he wanted Cinderella to have a mother and a family who loved her, not merely some hired nanny. He didn't marry her for romantic love, it was a practical situation. "Take my daughter in, and you can have land, money, title, everything you want." If you enter into that sort of relationship, you don't have the right to get jealous and start thinking of your new family as "baggage", and you certainly can't squander your payment while you physically and mentally abuse the little orphaned girl.

Cinderella's father had the right idea, but he trusted the absolute wrong woman. Cinderella would have been better off raised by servants.
 
I might second Judge Doom
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Bambi's mom's death made me sad, but this shit scarred me. And it was done to a character of no real consequence. Judge Doom is one of the most terrifying villains in animated history.

I hate you. I hate you so much. I finally repressed that and then you bring it back. I loved that guy :(.

Most evil Disney I'd have to say Scar. Fuck you Scar, Mufasa's death was the saddest moment of my damn childhood </3
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
I don't know about most evil but if you put him in a bad mood he'll try to kill you. He even killed some of his own men. I remember reading there were parts taken out of him drowning other mice.
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Ratigan was fucking aces. Kingdom hearts 3 needs a mouse world kindgom. Also to see the mouse that helped benjamin franklin
 
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