The Most Evil of All Disney Villains

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RedSwirl

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zeemumu

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Chernabog is so evil he does 0 evil things to people and then runs away when the sun comes out.

Now, Man, on the other hand, walks out into that Meadow sun or snow and brings fear and death to those animals to satisfy a wordless, unending hunger for flesh and sport.

He's Satan. You could argue that he's working through every Disney villain through influence.
 
You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
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She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.
You should watch the new live action Cinderella that recently came out if you haven't already. It goes into her motives a little more and when you keep in mind of how women were treated back then rights wise you can understand where she is coming from. Yes, she should not have treated Ella like that and her situation was no excuse to treat her like that, but I actually felt some sympathy for her in the live action movie. While in the cartoon I didn't.
 

zeemumu

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You should watch the new live action Cinderella that recently came out if you haven't already. It goes into her motives a little more and when you keep in mind of how women were treated back then rights wise you can understand where she is coming from. Yes, she should not have treated Ella like that and her situation was no excuse to treat her like that, but I actually felt some sympathy for her in the live action movie. While in the cartoon I didn't.

The best villains can get sympathy and then prove you wrong for giving them sympathy, like
Cruella
in Once Upon a Time
 

Astral Dog

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Claude Frollo actually seems unfair because he has a human touch, he is an irredeemable man that kills out of reliigous prejudice, lusts after a gypsy that he is supposed to hate and is willing to burn a city to find her.

He is "evil", but its human, like the man on the OP, literally most evil would be Chernobog or Maleficent, maybe even Scar.
 
I rewatched Bambi for the first time since I was a wee nipper just the other week myself, felt like I spent half the movie bracing myself for the inevitable and it still stung when that killing shot was fired.
Great little writeup in the OP there, though I find myself agreeing with the idea others have mentioned where man is more like another force of nature in the grand scheme of things and not so much evil in a more standard sense, no doubt though that the actions of our mystery hunters have only a negative effect on the wood and its creatures that we see.

Since I was also watching a few Disney films for the first time in this same stretch of time I will also fay that Frollo left quite an impression, his sheer dickery practically made the film for me.
 

Thorgal

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Also speaking about The hunchback of notre Dame , the novel is so much more tragic and makes Frollo an even bigger asshole then in the Disney movie ( for obvious reasons ) :

The deformed Quasimodo is described as "hideous" and a "creation of the devil." He was born with a severe hunchback, and a giant wart that covers his left eye. He was born to a Gypsy tribe, but due to his monstrous appearance he was switched during infancy with a physically normal baby girl (the infant Esmeralda.) After being discovered, Quasimodo is exorcised and taken to Paris, where he is found abandoned in Notre Dame (on the foundlings' bed, where orphans and unwanted children are left to public charity) on Quasimodo Sunday, the first Sunday after Easter, by Claude Frollo, the Archdeacon of Notre Dame, who adopts the baby, names him after the day the baby was found, and brings him up to be the bell-ringer of the Cathedral. Due to the loud ringing of the bells, Quasimodo also becomes deaf. Although he is hated for his deformity, it is revealed that he is fairly kind at heart. Though Quasimodo commits acts of violence in the novel, these are only undertaken when he is instructed by others.


Esmeralda gives a drink to Quasimodo in one of Gustave Brion's illustrations
Looked upon by the general populace of Paris as a monster, he relies on his master Claude Frollo and frequently accompanies him when the Archdeacon walks out. He first encounters the beautiful Romani girl Esmeralda when he and Frollo attempt to kidnap her one night, though in this event Quasimodo did not wish personally to harm Esmeralda, but was complying with his master's demands. Captain Phoebus de Chateaupers arrives to stop the kidnapping and captures Quasimodo. Quasimodo later falls in love when she gives him water as he is being whipped in the pillory for punishment and jeered by a horrid rabble.

Esmeralda is later entangled in an attempted murder and sentenced to hang for both the attempted murder and witchcraft. As she is being forced to pray at the steps of Notre Dame just before being marched off to the gallows, Quasimodo, who has been watching the occasion from an upper balcony in Notre Dame, slides down with a rope, and rescues her by taking her up to the top of the cathedral, where he poignantly shouts "Sanctuary!" to the onlookers below.

However, Quasimodo is never loved by Esmeralda (the main theme of the book being the cruelty of social injustice); although she recognizes his kindness toward her, she is nonetheless repulsed by his ugliness and terrified of him, however unfairly. (In the 1982 television film version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, she kisses him goodbye at the end; something that does not occur in either the book, nor any other film version of the novel.) He continues to watch over her and protect her regardless, and at one point saves her from Frollo (and stops short of killing him) when the mad priest sexually assaults her in her room.

After an uneasy respite, a mob storms Notre Dame, and although Quasimodo tries to fend them off the mob continues attacking until Phoebus and his soldiers arrive to fight and drive off the assailants. Unbeknownst to Quasimodo, Esmeralda is lured outside by Frollo and subsequently seized and hanged. In despair, Quasimodo murders his former benefactor, Frollo, by throwing him from the cathedral when he realizes that he has sealed Esmeralda's doom in hopes of quelling his lust for her. He then leaves Notre Dame, never to return, and heads for the Gibbet of Montfaucon beyond the city walls, passing by the Convent of the Filles-Dieu, a home for 200 reformed prostitutes, and the leper colony of Saint-Lazare. After reaching the Gibbet, he lies next to Esmeralda's corpse, where it had been unceremoniously thrown after the execution. He stays at Montfaucon, and eventually dies of starvation, clutching Esmeralda's body. Years later, an excavation group exhumes both their skeletons which have become intertwined. When it tries to separate them, Quasimodo's bones crumble into dust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasimodo

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That being said ,most of the Grimm stories are so much more gruesome then Disney could convey ( again , for obvious reasons )

for example lady Tremaine
cuts the toes and part of the heel off one of her daughters feet with an axe trying to make it fit the glass shoe
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Astral Dog

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You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
lady-tremaine-o.gif


She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.
uh i though she married Cinderellas father for his money, then treated her badly and seeing her as a servant while favoring her own childs, of course she is not a fleshed out character but there are hints Tremaine is driven by greed and envy.
 

Bizazedo

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Hunchback of Notre Dame, Disney version, is on Netflix. Turned it on a few days ago to reminisce due to a thread here.

The hope and rejection Quasi goes through even in the Disney film is amazing, especially now that I'm older and grasp it better. Room got dusty as hell. That and the displayed and insinuated brutality of Frollo (his instructions on how to better torture someone is amazing in retrospect).

If you haven't seen this movie, watch it on Netflix. Disney will never do something like it again, imo.

The Jester (Clopan?) was awesome, as well.

It's also why I so firmly believe he and Judge Doom are top tier evil guys in the Disney library. Man from Bambi is just portrayed as the most powerful, but as some of us mentioned earlier, he's not really evil.
 
Cruella de Vil
She kidnaps dalmatians for their fur.

She came to mind first for me as well. She absolutely oozes villainy.

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One of the biggest plot holes ever, how the fuck is Anita friends with Cruella. They just don't match at all.
The live action version fixed it by making Cruella her boss, but in the cartoon they are childhood friends. I don't think so Disney.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
lady-tremaine-o.gif


She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.

In the Animated version, it's pretty clear it's done because Cinderella is better than her own daughters in every way and she's jealous.
In the recent live action version though, she's evil from the get go before the motivation comes in.
 

Xe4

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Man is good, but Frollo is forever the best (and most evil) Disney villain. Dude was just a psychopath, yet you simpithysed with him odley enoguh, which we had never seen in a Disney film before.
 

mclem

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How 'bout the guy who...

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...sentences a child to death by hanging in the name of 'business'?

(Cutler Beckett, Pirates of the Carribean)
 

zma1013

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All these examples are why I wonder how people still relate Disney's image with goofy kid cartoons. These movies are terrifying and twisted.
 

Cheerilee

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You guys are bringing up villains that had actual motives.
Frollo was evil out of passion, Cruella and Hook act out of greed, Maleficent because she got dissed by the royal family and also because of ambition, Scar wants power, the hunter and Judge Doom did it cause it's their jobs, etc.

You know who's doing everything just to be an asshole?
This bitch:
lady-tremaine-o.gif


She is tormenting Cinderella for no reason. She's doing it out of pure malice. None of the other Disney baddies do bad stuff for no reason. They all act with ambition, greed, love, or (in Doom's case a twisted) sense of duty.

Lady Tremaine just does it cause she can.

Cinderella and her father were bluebloods. Lady Tremaine was not. She was an ambitious ladder-climber. She married Cinderella's father for his title (Cinderella's father was looking for a mother to care for his daughter, but Tremaine didn't give a damn about Cinderella, she just wanted the title), but then she had to face the fact that her acquired title changed nothing about her blood. She knew how to pretend she was a lady, but her own offspring were low-class, made all the more obvious by standing next to Cinderella. She tried to turn her daughters into proper ladies and Cinderella into a low-class servant (to try and prove to herself that blood was irrelevant and the title was all that mattered), but her daughters remained trailer-trash while Cinderella did her chores with poise and grace. Cinderella's not-deliberate air of nobility was a passive and ever-present accusation against Tremaine's false nobility.

Note that this does not exactly say that royals and commoners are some sort of different species, but Tremaine was an aggressive and bitter ladder-climber hiding behind a mask, and she saw the world that way, and she played a major part in the raising of her kids. She ruined her own kids by spoiling them while at the same time trying to teach them her own art of feigning nobility.
 

Cromat

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Bambi was a really fucked up movie. I remember it being joyless and upsetting. In the Lion King Mufasa dies but the movie manages to still be optimistic. Bambi was just upsetting,
 

terrisus

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Bambi was a really fucked up movie. I remember it being joyless and upsetting. In the Lion King Mufasa dies but the movie manages to still be optimistic. Bambi was just upsetting,

Hey, you know, sometimes life is just joyless and upsetting.
 

sn00zer

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My real answer is Frolo but sense he's been said a lot, how about Shadowman?



He was going to sell the souls of an entire city to Satan, that's gotta be up there.

I will be a bit disappointed if he doesnt make it into KH3...perfect boss character
 

Curiocity

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I almost didn't come in here because I thought I'd pass on another favorite evil villains list thread. Found an incredibly thorough and insightful analysis. Thanks Corvo!

I'll echo the statement that Man is specifically excluded from the Forces of Nature as a factor in his character. Storms and lightning are indiscriminate, sure, but they exist as anomalous events that come and go. Powerful, but ambivalent and impartial.
Man is not as random. Man inserts himself on purpose, and once he finds quarry, he HUNTS. You will not wait out the storm; you will run, and you will lose.
And worse: he does not believe himself to be evil. You could say most disney villains don't, but the others usually own their vices, relishing how greedy or narcissistic they are. They're self-aware. They also all have something to fear. "Man" has no face and no screen time to suggest self-reflection, and no fear. Because in the story, he -is- Fear.
Man may not be dictionary n. Most Evil, but an embodied evil is a vulnerable evil. Man is invulnerable here.

my favorite villain is Scar
 
How 'bout the guy who...

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...sentences a child to death by hanging in the name of 'business'?

(Cutler Beckett, Pirates of the Carribean)

Man, it bothered me so much that they never went into his backstory with Jack in the movie. Granted, it's revealed in a deleted scene
Jack was supposed to deliver slaves, but didn't because humans aren't cargo. Beckett was pissed, which is how Jack got branded (and I think how Beckett got a scar? Can't remember if he had a scar)
, but still it would have been nice to actually find out in the film itself. Beckett always bugged me, since he seemed unnecessarily evil in his pursuits.
 
Cinderella and her father were bluebloods. Lady Tremaine was not. She was an ambitious ladder-climber. She married Cinderella's father for his title (Cinderella's father was looking for a mother to care for his daughter, but Tremaine didn't give a damn about Cinderella, she just wanted the title), but then she had to face the fact that her acquired title changed nothing about her blood. She knew how to pretend she was a lady, but her own offspring were low-class, made all the more obvious by standing next to Cinderella. She tried to turn her daughters into proper ladies and Cinderella into a low-class servant (to try and prove to herself that blood was irrelevant and the title was all that mattered), but her daughters remained trailer-trash while Cinderella did her chores with poise and grace. Cinderella's not-deliberate air of nobility was a passive and ever-present accusation against Tremaine's false nobility.

Note that this does not exactly say that royals and commoners are some sort of different species, but Tremaine was an aggressive and bitter ladder-climber hiding behind a mask, and she saw the world that way, and she played a major part in the raising of her kids. She ruined her own kids by spoiling them while at the same time trying to teach them her own art of feigning nobility.

I never knew Tremaine wasn't nobility.

Guess I just got ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT

Doesn't change, though, that Lady Tremaine is an evil bitch.
 
Could a case be made for Captain Hook? I know he doesn't kill Peter Pan, but doesn't he kill other children? Hasn't he been killing children for years, for sport?

It's mentioned in the live action Hook, but I don't know about Peter Pan.

If he really has been killing children (and Indians I suppose) for years, I think he should be pretty high up on the list.
 
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