RadioHammer500
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im not suprised by the criticism of the movie
i think alot of it just has to do with the marvel formula getting tiresome to people
i think alot of it just has to do with the marvel formula getting tiresome to people
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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This
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unempLLOYD
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"I'm always angry"
Based on this scene alone, they really nerfed the hulk when he came face to face with the hulkbuster.
Matt_
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Watched it today and have a couple thoughts
-Marvel continuing the trend of shtity villains. Ultron had the potential to be amazing but their insistence on giving him a humour rating wrecked that. I know they don't like the films to be too dark but the comic relief should come from the good sides not the baddies
-scarlet witch is fucking awesome and I look forward to seeing more of her
-vision is great although I was expecting him to completely wreck shit with that mind gem, but he didnt seem to do too much
-Killing off quicksilver is bullshit, they spend all that time giving hawkeye a back story only to have him have two near misses and have another new (and infinitely more interesting) character die off instead. Terrible mistake
-cgi was very spotty in places, the opening scene in particular looked pretty shit
-even though it was a fairly long film, it still felt rushed. The whole vibranium thing came out of nowhere and suddenly there is enough for suits and building giant machines
-Marvel continuing the trend of shtity villains. Ultron had the potential to be amazing but their insistence on giving him a humour rating wrecked that. I know they don't like the films to be too dark but the comic relief should come from the good sides not the baddies
-scarlet witch is fucking awesome and I look forward to seeing more of her
-vision is great although I was expecting him to completely wreck shit with that mind gem, but he didnt seem to do too much
-Killing off quicksilver is bullshit, they spend all that time giving hawkeye a back story only to have him have two near misses and have another new (and infinitely more interesting) character die off instead. Terrible mistake
-cgi was very spotty in places, the opening scene in particular looked pretty shit
-even though it was a fairly long film, it still felt rushed. The whole vibranium thing came out of nowhere and suddenly there is enough for suits and building giant machines
peanutbutterlatte
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The Vision, Scarlett Witch, and Not-A-Bitch-Hawkeye were probably my favourite parts of the film.
That transition from Thor fighting a few soldiers to Captain America riding in on his bike during that opening scene... horrendous looking.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Oh man, I'm so fucking glad they didn't kill Hawkeye and had all that family goodbye/build up as a misdirect, because otherwise it would have played as the most telegraphed thing ever.
This Quicksilver was okay, but will not be missed.
SliChillax
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Ummm there was.
It's exactly how I feel about this movie. I enjoyed it but I felt tired at the end.
SuperEpicMan
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I kept hoping that Ultron's head would go full on gaping maw. Once he upgrades to his ultimate form, I was thinking at some point his eyes and mouth would light up completely.
There was a lot of set up for future movies in this:
Also, the movie seems to have confirmed the tesseract is just a container.
There was a lot of set up for future movies in this:
- Obvious Civil War groundwork.
- Black Panther (Klaw getting his arm cut off)
- Thor (weird shit going down in asgard)
- Plus other stuff I maybe didn't notice
Also, the movie seems to have confirmed the tesseract is just a container.
Gentle Rodriguez
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But now it just feels like he gets to live because they realized it would have been too obvious to let him die, I feel like Hawkeye doesn't have much to offer anymore.
Then again, it's not like Quicksilver offers that much more(though I like his personality).
Killing off Scarlet Witch would have truly gotten me mad.
Just came back from watching the film. I fucking loved it. Ultron was a laugh but I did expect more intimidation and fear factor from him. He was a bit too cartoonish. Enjoyable to watch still.
In some ways I prefer this to the first one because we jump straight in to the action and the fight scenes are entertaining. The first is better structured though for sure but both are fantastic comic book films so who cares.
Lot of jumping to and from side stories and groundwork to future stuff but overall it was a fun film. That's all I wanted and I'd still easily rate it as one of the best Marvel films.
Love Vision and Scarlet Witch too. The Avengers Academy stuff was cool as well. Great to see Thanos get off his ass and actually start doing shit himself. Quicksilver was bleh outside one or two action scenes. Needed more spectacle from him though I think.
Yeah Thanos appeared in Thor's vision. I liked the teasers for the no doubt inevitable smanging Thanos will give Asgard in Thor: Ragnarok.
In some ways I prefer this to the first one because we jump straight in to the action and the fight scenes are entertaining. The first is better structured though for sure but both are fantastic comic book films so who cares.
Lot of jumping to and from side stories and groundwork to future stuff but overall it was a fun film. That's all I wanted and I'd still easily rate it as one of the best Marvel films.
Love Vision and Scarlet Witch too. The Avengers Academy stuff was cool as well. Great to see Thanos get off his ass and actually start doing shit himself. Quicksilver was bleh outside one or two action scenes. Needed more spectacle from him though I think.
Yeah Thanos appeared in Thor's vision. I liked the teasers for the no doubt inevitable smanging Thanos will give Asgard in Thor: Ragnarok.
Or he gets to live because he's actually a developed character now that much of the audience will like, instead of the side character he was in the first film.
That Brown Guy
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They left out the woman in the cave who was shown in the trailers.
mgarnica89
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Ultron was created by a part of the Avengers. They were just cleaning up their mistake.
Imagine this, a person accidentally trips someone on to train tracks. A train is coming and you jump down and save them. Would you call that person a hero? Even if they caused it?
A lot of the recent Superhero films have a problem/villain caused by the heroes themselves . Its getting kinda old and formulaic. I personally think Age of Ultron would have worked better if it was left with a more of a downer ending.
Imagine this, a person accidentally trips someone on to train tracks. A train is coming and you jump down and save them. Would you call that person a hero? Even if they caused it?
A lot of the recent Superhero films have a problem/villain caused by the heroes themselves . Its getting kinda old and formulaic. I personally think Age of Ultron would have worked better if it was left with a more of a downer ending.
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I would have ended the film with Hulk maniacally tearing apart Ultron while the avengers look on terrified of this thing.
Urghhh...thank god for that. That line felt out of place in TIH.
Anyone remembers what Hill said about the twins when she was talking to Steve? QS especially. Maybe QS has super healing like the The Flash.
IIRC correctly the Hulkbuster fight had some differences compared to the MTV Movie Awards clip.
Did we only see 4 stones in Thor's vision?
I thought therer would be more.
According to an interview with Whedon much of the stuff that feels like a setup for Civil War wasn't meant that way.
- Some minor extra shots
- Tony asking the Veronika device for help, before the parts of the replacement arm come down.
- The part where he tries to reason with him felt different, by I am not sure
- In the German dub of the clip Tony says "puny Banner", but in the final movie it was "weak Banner". What was said in the final English version?
Did we only see 4 stones in Thor's vision?
I thought therer would be more.
According to an interview with Whedon much of the stuff that feels like a setup for Civil War wasn't meant that way.
puny afair.
Shuggananas
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they constantly have to nerf hulk, he's just way too strong
catashtrophe
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Really enjoyed the 1st film but Avengers 2 was a massive let down
Ultron was trash and he was weak, cracked jokes, and was hardly a threat
Hulk could have ended the film within 10 minutes so no wonder Ultron and Hulk never fought, and what was the point of Vision?
Quicksilver was dry and did nothing memorable, why the hell do people hate Fox so much when marvel aint exactly perfecf with these films
Ultron was trash and he was weak, cracked jokes, and was hardly a threat
Hulk could have ended the film within 10 minutes so no wonder Ultron and Hulk never fought, and what was the point of Vision?
Quicksilver was dry and did nothing memorable, why the hell do people hate Fox so much when marvel aint exactly perfecf with these films
They left out plenty of stuff;
-the woman in the cave's spring.
-banner having green eyes in the lab.
-Cap kicking a door down.
- melting metal enveloping ultron's hand.
RadioHammer500
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so they pretty much Nerf the Hulk and Thor in this....sigh
pel1300
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why does this bother people? those two are already way overpowered as it is.
I hope to god they nerf Thanos because his power level is just ridiculous.
Nightengale
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- Introducing new Avengers
- plot device to wipe-out Ultron from teh internetz
- plot device for Ultron to act the way he is throughout the entire movie
Gun Animal
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That's really just Tony Stark. Iron Monger, Whiplash, the Mandarin/Extremis and now Ultron were all at least partially his fault, even all the terrorists in Iron Man 1 were using his weapons. Iron Man is barely a superhero in the MCU, more like a neutral party with a strong sense of accountability.
Thor wasn't responsible for Loki or the Dark Elves in any way, Cap wasn't responsible for Hydra and the Guardians weren't responsible for... whats-his-name, so I don't think you can say its a recurring theme in the MCU as a whole.
ideally he doesn't get the all the stones until they very end of Infinity War part 1 and infinity war part 2 is a big psychological chess match between Thanos and Warlock, as it should be.
BronsonLee
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I haven't seen the movie, but I believe they still have no idea he's alive. They may never address it in the movies, to be honest.
Atraveller
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Just got out of the theater, can't believe they
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killed off Quicksilver
Mass apparently does not = inertia here lol... But the hulkbuster armor was specially designed...so its not like having typical armor... anyone know anymore info about how the armor can survive blows from the hulk?
Thanks =D
So hyped for this movie.
Don't worry, it's the spoiler thread. We are totally free to say here that Quicksilver died (and that we felt no emotional attachment to him at all!)
Atraveller
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Seeing Wanda sad makes me sad, I do hope Marvel brings him back.
No!
Whedon said in an interveiw, that Coulson is dead in the movies.
I think it is because he wants to keep the movies self contained.
So other writers and directors may hopefully use the connections.
What Fury did to Coulson, and that he did it in secret, would be a good argument for one side in Civil War for example.
Would only need a few lines of dialog after an reveal.
Since I haven't seen any mentions of emotional attachment, I wanna ask:
How emotionally involved werer you in the movie?
When they were above the clouds and Natasha is musing about it being a place to die, I got teary in my eye. After Hawkeye had taken the dead Quicksilver to a shuttle, and lay donw next to him, I was really down. Have rarely been this down in cinemas.
That too. I can totally see Whedon say something like that in the audio commentary.
Movie is decidedly so-so. I mean, on the scale of popcorn summer comic book movies, it's still good. I was entertained. I like these characters, and I loved Ultron. And the action is coherent and fun, unlike trash like Transformers. And Ultron's evil plan was pretty innovative.
But still... if I were to rank the MCU movies, Age of Ultron would probably be somewhere in the middle. Above IM2, Hulk, etc., but well well below the top tier.
- Way too much MCU baggage. Wasting time explaining where people like Pepper are, which does ZERO for this movie itself, and only serves as a distraction.
- Way too much future MCU setup. I didn't mind the Wakanda section since it at least fits this story, but Thor literally just bounces for a while, and it is never explained. He just spins up his hammer and leaves. It's insane.
- I know this is a "comic book movie" but shit like introducing a "nexus" where "all bits of the internet flow through" is distractingly silly and stupid. Then having Tony waltz in and hack nuclear codes? ugh. It's just... stupid. The MCU movies have been many things, but they've rarely, if ever, been that dumb.
- Speaking of which, this lures out Jarvis because... reasons. And then Jarvis is healed/fixed because... reasons. And Jarvis was able to help thwart Ultron but wasn't able to communicate with the team because... reasons. It's confusing, and stupid at the same time. Which is a tough combination to pull off.
- Thor's Hammer is able to bring Vision to life because... reasons. And Vision's powers are... what, exactly? I know comic book readers know, but movie watchers have 0 clue why he can float through the air, why he can reach inside robot bodies, etc. He's a very cool character and I love his design, but his origin and limits are very poorly explained.
- The Iron Man/Hulk fight felt a little gross. I feel like Marvel knew they couldn't set it in America, but they were determined to have them fight. So they said "fuck it - set it in some third world country instead." I'm sure there'll be big consequences in Civil War, not unlike Batman v Superman... but still. I get that the point was that Thor WAS out of control. But they'd still never set a scene like that in say Chicago. And you KNOW 100s of people were killed in that fight. It felt weird. It felt wrong for any of the consequences to be ignored in this movie - tabled for the next.
- Perhaps the movie's greatest sin is that it's a direct sequel to not just Avengers, but also Winter Soldier. If you didn't see that movie, you're completely hosed, here. Where's SHIELD? Why is Fury a hobo? You'll find no explanations here.
- Does very little to change up the status quo. Yes we got strong hints of future conflict, but at the end of the movie the team is intact, everyone is alive (sorry Quicksilver), etc. It felt like treading water, from a meta-story standpoint.
- Does anyone really give a shit about a New Avengers line-up made up of War Machine. Falcon, and other B-teamers? What a weird, deflating note to end on. Completely wrong, tonally. We just spent over 2 hours (and 6+ movies) with this crew we love. Let's close not on them, but some JV squad instead. This final scene really worries me, in fact. It's one thing to seed little MCU references around your films, to connect them. It's another to make a movie's final scene, it's closing moment, service that MCU instead of servicing the story you just got done telling.
TL;DR:
Avengers & Guardians >>> Avengers 2 > Iron Man 2 & Incredible Hulk
But still... if I were to rank the MCU movies, Age of Ultron would probably be somewhere in the middle. Above IM2, Hulk, etc., but well well below the top tier.
- Way too much MCU baggage. Wasting time explaining where people like Pepper are, which does ZERO for this movie itself, and only serves as a distraction.
- Way too much future MCU setup. I didn't mind the Wakanda section since it at least fits this story, but Thor literally just bounces for a while, and it is never explained. He just spins up his hammer and leaves. It's insane.
- I know this is a "comic book movie" but shit like introducing a "nexus" where "all bits of the internet flow through" is distractingly silly and stupid. Then having Tony waltz in and hack nuclear codes? ugh. It's just... stupid. The MCU movies have been many things, but they've rarely, if ever, been that dumb.
- Speaking of which, this lures out Jarvis because... reasons. And then Jarvis is healed/fixed because... reasons. And Jarvis was able to help thwart Ultron but wasn't able to communicate with the team because... reasons. It's confusing, and stupid at the same time. Which is a tough combination to pull off.
- Thor's Hammer is able to bring Vision to life because... reasons. And Vision's powers are... what, exactly? I know comic book readers know, but movie watchers have 0 clue why he can float through the air, why he can reach inside robot bodies, etc. He's a very cool character and I love his design, but his origin and limits are very poorly explained.
- The Iron Man/Hulk fight felt a little gross. I feel like Marvel knew they couldn't set it in America, but they were determined to have them fight. So they said "fuck it - set it in some third world country instead." I'm sure there'll be big consequences in Civil War, not unlike Batman v Superman... but still. I get that the point was that Thor WAS out of control. But they'd still never set a scene like that in say Chicago. And you KNOW 100s of people were killed in that fight. It felt weird. It felt wrong for any of the consequences to be ignored in this movie - tabled for the next.
- Perhaps the movie's greatest sin is that it's a direct sequel to not just Avengers, but also Winter Soldier. If you didn't see that movie, you're completely hosed, here. Where's SHIELD? Why is Fury a hobo? You'll find no explanations here.
- Does very little to change up the status quo. Yes we got strong hints of future conflict, but at the end of the movie the team is intact, everyone is alive (sorry Quicksilver), etc. It felt like treading water, from a meta-story standpoint.
- Does anyone really give a shit about a New Avengers line-up made up of War Machine. Falcon, and other B-teamers? What a weird, deflating note to end on. Completely wrong, tonally. We just spent over 2 hours (and 6+ movies) with this crew we love. Let's close not on them, but some JV squad instead. This final scene really worries me, in fact. It's one thing to seed little MCU references around your films, to connect them. It's another to make a movie's final scene, it's closing moment, service that MCU instead of servicing the story you just got done telling.
TL;DR:
Avengers & Guardians >>> Avengers 2 > Iron Man 2 & Incredible Hulk
I hope the Korean tech saved him offscreen.
RadioHammer500
Banned
and that's my issue with what the MCU has become honestly..I know alot of people appreciate the MCU and having a shared universe...but i feel like as we go on and on more films..they will just start being too bloated, and logical inconsistencies will happen, and then they will just become movies to set up future events
krameriffic
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But even that doesn't make sense because it doesn't contextualize the team coming back together. Avengers 1 (and the solo movies) reinforce the point that the Avengers only assemble when shit is going really bad. Regular viewers aren't going to have a clue who Strucker is or why he's bad enough to bring everyone together (especially if Malekith trying to literally destroy the entire universe was insufficient cause for the Avengers to assemble). It doesn't explain how or why the characters came back together in the wake of SHIELD's fall and there's no indication of why in any of the ancillary media.
It also bothered me when Nick Fury showed back up with a helicarrier for no reason, and they just kind of laugh it off as a joke. I'm watching it like "no really, where did he get a helicarrier and why is he revealing the fact to the world that he's not really dead?" And if he's no longer in charge of SHIELD, why, other than the fact that Samuel L. Jackson is a much bigger actor than Clark Gregg, is he the one acting like the director of SHIELD?
I feel like the inevitable cracks are starting to show when you try to pack all this stuff together in a single universe with live actors and a BOATLOAD of money involved. The mainstream movies with the really important characters are unable to tell the story properly with only 2 hours of runtime twice per year and the TV shows aren't big enough to be worth the time of the RDJ's and Chris Hemsworth's of the world to show up and properly explain the story in a long-form TV show. But then when I really stop to think about it, a lot of that has been present for a while in the MCU, it just seems to be coming together in a more obviously bad and annoying way now.
Nightengale
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This is the main reason for why I said the movie feels like Uncharted 3 for me.
No offense, but the 'vibe' that I got from Avengers 2 was that it felt like a movie that was written around set-pieces (and MCU set-up), rather than the other way round.
And even despite that, the moments always feel like they're a little unwilling to take that leap forward.
Atraveller
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Yeah, some twin team-ups are pretty cool. Would like to see more in future movies.
krameriffic
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Everything with Tony rang incredibly hollow to me in the entire movie. I feel like they've been almost constantly misstepping with the portrayal of his character ever since the first Iron Man. They end IM3 with him hanging up his suit, getting rid of the arc reactor in his chest, and essentially saying he's done. Then at the start of this movie he's an Avenger again with absolutely no explanation of why. Then they end the movie with him leaving the Avengers again for absolutely no reason.
He fixed his errors and was on good terms with the entire team at that point. Why is he leaving? And do they expect anyone to buy it after they pulled the same stunt with the end of IM3? Plus everyone knows that Civil War is going to prominently feature Captain America vs. Iron Man on some level, so why even bother with this stupid bullshit? If they had set up Cap and IM being pissed at each other still at the end of the movie like they were in the middle, then it would have made some sense. But it just didn't.
Black_Stride
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Yeah he definitely has phasing powers, he rips one of the ultron drones apart by phasing his arms through its torso.
Vision is supposed to be Ultrons Final Form....but instead you get the Ultron Prime from the trailers with Vibranium armor on top, the Vibranium armor looks closer to comic Ultron.
- Hulk and/or Thor should have wasted every version of Ultron with ease.
- I dont remember if Vision has actually lifted it in the comics, but he is an android so it wouldnt be surprising if he can Lift it, because the Hammer doesnt register that he is alive....tis why the Helicarrier, shelfs, desks you name it can hold up the Hammer.
- If he was truly worthy, the moment he lifted the hammer he would have inherited the powers of Thor, but it did nothing to him, it didnt register him as a living being.
- Hes a superman, he can survive a shit-load more punishment than a regular human being.
- MCU Scarlett Witch has Telekinesis, Psychic Blasts, Telepathy and Jedi Mind tricks. Thats probably not the limit of MCU Witch so for now lets assume she has the power to hack the universe.
As a comic fan it is a fantastic treat, seeing Whedon incorporate the signature fluid membership of the team. Vision and Witch are more Avengers than Widow or Hulk.
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