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[neorej]

Just saw this, loved it.

- Ultron fulfilling what he and Tony started in the past; we all create the thing we dread, awesome coming full circle with vision like that.
- Ultron as a villain works better than any other MCU villain. People complain about his lightheartedness, but I felt like that came from a sense of invincibility, superiority. He can afford to joke, because he's already won
- the Maximoffs were well done, really enjoyed both
- the opening scene was nothing short of spectacular, opening with arguably the best of the first movie
- the sense of character development was well done, especially for those without a solo film, these aren't the same people who fought loki in new York


Even though I loved the film, marvel needs to up it's game in the enemies department. First of all, it would be nice to have some survive, so they can grow s well. Second, I would like to see something else than avengers vs an army. I know Thanos is a perfect candidate for this, but I feel like a slightly powerful Ultron would compel the team to come together and fight as one to defeat one single enemy.

 

[Ithil]

Do note that I have never read the comics and I have no intention to and thus I have no knowledge beyond what I have seen in the movies, but I don't really understand what is specifically Scarlet Witch's power. Mind-reading/altering? But she can also create shields. And apparenly she can also make stuff disintegrate with her smokey red stuff or something?

What is exactly her main power? It seems like her power is very diverse/flexible.

Also, I think they killed that Quicksilver guy because it may conflict with the X-Men movie, I dunno, hahaha. Such an incredibly trope-ish way to get rid of him though, very lame, uncreative, and seemed so forced "oh you need to die now so bye."

I like the whole Romanoff-Banner romance though, although this too seems so sudden since I don't remember there was ANY indication of this whatsoever in the first Avenger or Captain America Winter Soldier.... seemed so, I dunno, kind of forced to make the single attractive Avenger female member gets a love story or something. I like it though.

She has telekinesis and mind manipulation. In the comics it's a little more screwy, since she more or less has actual magic.

 

[NotLiquid]

Do note that I have never read the comics and I have no intention to and thus I have no knowledge beyond what I have seen in the movies, but I don't really understand what is specifically Scarlet Witch's power. Mind-reading/altering? But she can also create shields. And apparenly she can also make stuff disintegrate with her smokey red stuff or something?

What is exactly her main power? It seems like her power is very diverse/flexible.

Technically speaking in the comics, her ability is being able to manipulate probability, but sometime after her creation it was generally changed to the ability to wield and control reality-warping magic. Her skill set has always been a bit unspecified, but she has physical limits. In the movies it seems more like telekinesis.

 

[Boem]

Just saw this, didn't really care for it - but then again Avengers 1 wasn't for me either. I think I'm kind of done with these movies honestly. Maybe one of the new heroes coming up will have something special going for them, but eh. It's all a bit of the same.

 

[Hex]

Maybe he meant this one;

This , though there are supposed to be a bit of cut scenes on the blu release

 

[NotLiquid]

Speaking of Scarlet Witch, Olsen has confirmed that she'll reprise her role in Civil War.

 

[Laughing Banana]

She has telekinesis and mind manipulation. In the comics it's a little more screwy, since she more or less has actual magic.

Technically speaking in the comics, her ability is being able to manipulate probability, but sometime after her creation it was generally changed to the ability to wield and control reality-warping magic. Her skill set has always been a bit unspecified, but she has physical limits. In the movies it seems more like telekinesis.

When her brother died she literally disintegrates all those robots by screaming really loud, I mean, WTF? Telekinesis don't do that (I think.)

Also, is Romanoff and Banner's romantic involvement a real thing in the comic or is it movie only? Also, I don't really understand what is Thor's doing with that pond... that he went there with the professor seemed so random, I don't remember seeing it in any of his previous movies.....

 

[hamchan]

Speaking of Scarlet Witch, Olsen has confirmed that she'll reprise her role in Civil War.

More confirmation Civil War is Avengers 2.5.

 

[Tacitus_]

When her brother died she literally disintegrates all those robots by screaming really loud, I mean, WTF? Telekinesis don't do that (I think.)

Telekinetic blastwave?

 

[Ithil]

When her brother died she literally disintegrates all those robots by screaming really loud, I mean, WTF? Telekinesis don't do that (I think.)

Also, is Romanoff and Banner's romantic involvement a real thing in the comic or is it movie only? Also, I don't really understand what is Thor's doing with that pond... that he went there with the professor seemed so random, I don't remember seeing it in any of his previous movies.....

She unleashed an extra strong wave of telekinesis that blew them into pieces. It was meant to be a glimpse of how strong she really is.

 

[Bishop89]

Just saw it. Loved it, much much much better than the first. Then again, I wasn't a fan of the first one.

Humour was great throughout and disagree completely with ppl who said Tony's humour is getting stale.

James spader did a FANTASTIC job, and ultron was the best villain in the MCU thus far. Glad he was funny.

Still confused what vision is supposed to be, and sort of confused why ultron was creating vision in the first place

 

[NotLiquid]

When her brother died she literally disintegrates all those robots by screaming really loud, I mean, WTF? Telekinesis don't do that (I think.)

The idea of Telekinesis, or more generally Psychokinesis, generally just has to do with influencing physical mass with your mind. Emitting a shockwave using your mind technically counts.

 

[The Cowboy]

Just got back, i liked it, its a bit disjointed and kinda all over the place but all in all it was very good and will happily go into my collection upon BR release.

My favourite scene in the movie by far was Banners little chat with Scarlet Witch, "I could choke the life out of you and never change a shade" - what a line.

 

[More_Badass]

When her brother died she literally disintegrates all those robots by screaming really loud, I mean, WTF? Telekinesis don't do that (I think.)

Also, is Romanoff and Banner's romantic involvement a real thing in the comic or is it movie only? Also, I don't really understand what is Thor's doing with that pond... that he went there with the professor seemed so random, I don't remember seeing it in any of his previous movies.....

I think I read she manipulates matter, so she can manipulate neurons (thus mind-control) or can disintegrate metal at a molecular level. So yeah, crazy OP

 

[Laughing Banana]

Telekinetic blastwave?

She unleashed an extra strong wave of telekinesis that blew them into pieces. It was meant to be a glimpse of how strong she really is.

The idea of Telekinesis, or more generally Psychokinesis, generally just has to do with influencing physical mass with your mind. Emitting a shockwave using your mind technically counts.

I think I read she manipulates matter, so she can manipulate neurons (thus mind-control) or can disintegrate metal at a molecular level. So yeah, crazy OP

Ah well, I'll just chalk it up to "Powers of Convenience." I admit, that scene caught me by surprise.

In terms of power levels, how does she rank with all the heroes involved so far?

Also, can you guys or anyone here explain that pond scene with Thor? I don't really understand that. Him and the professor suddenly appeared on this magic well that... gives him vision or something? I thought when he said something to the effect of he couldn't find an answer here in the farm house he's going back to Asgard but apparently it's a random place on Earth? (since the professor tagged along for the ride... what IS his role there anyways?)

Speaking of vision, I don't really quite get what Vision also about. What is his power? Random lasers and the power to... hack the Internet?

 

[kurahador]

Still confused what vision is supposed to be, and sort of confused why ultron was creating vision in the first place

Ultron helps Dr. Cho create the body for himself. Technically it was Tony, Banner and Thor who created Vision.

 

[duckroll]

The entire Thor subplot was really poorly handled. Judging from the previous trailers there was possibly a lot more going on there which got cut from the film. We'll have to wait for deleted scenes to see how much more there was.

Regarding the Vision's powers, just think of him as Marvel's robotic Superman, while Black Panther is Marvel's African Batman.

 

[Ithil]

Ah well, I'll just chalk it up to "Powers of Convenience." I admit, that scene caught me by surprise.

In terms of power levels, how does she rank with all the heroes involved so far?

Can you guys or anyone here explain that pond scene with Thor? I don't really understand that. Him and the professor suddenly appeared on this magic well that... gives him vision or something? I thought when he said something to the effect of he couldn't find an answer here in the farm house he's going back to Asgard but apparently it's a random place on Earth? (since the professor tagged along for the ride... what IS his role there anyways?)

Speaking of vision, I don't really quite get what Vision also about. What is his power? Random lasers and the power to... hack the Internet?

Scarlet Witch, when she's able to control all her powers at full, is one of the strongest on the planet. She's only a rookie in AoU, but even at the end of the film you can see she's learned to fly with her power.

Vision can fly, phase through solid matter, and alter his density (I don't know if he can do this in the films) and interface with tech.

Just saw it. Loved it, much much much better than the first. Then again, I wasn't a fan of the first one.

Humour was great throughout and disagree completely with ppl who said Tony's humour is getting stale.

James spader did a FANTASTIC job, and ultron was the best villain in the MCU thus far. Glad he was funny.

Still confused what vision is supposed to be, and sort of confused why ultron was creating vision in the first place

Vision was meant to be Ultron's ultimate body. His "becoming a real boy" as such.

 

[Atraveller]

The entire Thor subplot was really poorly handled. Judging from the previous trailers there was possibly a lot more going on there which got cut from the film. We'll have to wait for deleted scenes to see how much more there was.

I know it probably won't happen, but it would be great if we could play the movie(DVD/BD whatever) with deleted scenes reattached.

 

[Renekton]

In terms of power levels, how does she rank with all the heroes involved so far?

She is the most powerful member in the team, but also physically fragile and unstable.

 

[kurahador]

She is the most powerful member in the team, but also physically fragile and unstable.

Whoa...so she's basically Hulk.

 

[Laughing Banana]

The entire Thor subplot was really poorly handled. Judging from the previous trailers there was possibly a lot more going on there which got cut from the film. We'll have to wait for deleted scenes to see how much more there was.

Regarding the Vision's powers, just think of him as Marvel's robotic Superman, while Black Panther is Marvel's African Batman.

Scarlet Witch, when she's able to control all her powers at full, is one of the strongest on the planet. She's only a rookie in AoU, but even at the end of the film you can see she's learned to fly with her power.

Vision can fly, phase through solid matter, and alter his density (I don't know if he can do this in the films) and interface with tech.



Vision was meant to be Ultron's ultimate body. His "becoming a real boy" as such.

She is the most powerful member in the team, but also physically fragile and unstable.

I actually legit thought that Vision was at first Ultron that has reached his final, ultimate form. I was actually kind of surprised that he's actually yet another Superhero.

Ah, so SW is really that powerful? That is a good thing, to actually have some other Female than Romanoff that can really hold her weight against the real powerful guys (I mean, Romanoff kicks ass but she can't do jack against the likes of Ultron or anything like him. Hell I doubt she can even fight an even ground one on one against Loki... I might be wrong though)

So anyone up explaining what's up with Thor and that magic pond? I don't quite understand that, to be honest.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

She is the most powerful member in the team, but also physically fragile and unstable.

As in most powerful in the new team or even more powerful than Hulk and Thor?

 

[Ithil]

As in most powerful in the new team or even more powerful than Hulk and Thor?

Well when at full power she removed 90% of the world's mutant's powers by speaking three words, so yeah.

 

[Replicant]

This was okay. For me there was too much subplots for what essentially are supposed to be teaser/hints of things to come. I could do without Hawkeye's family or Thor's mask party or Black Panther's set up. Keep them minimal or don't include them at all. But nope, they just have to include every.thing. The result is a film with too much subplots and no time to develop the 3 new main leads (SW, QS, and Vision) or Ultron's personality.

I'm also pretty disappointed at how blunt and obvious the whole thing seem to be because Joss usually just do vague things (ie. "It's always dark before dawn" line to hint at Dawn's arrival). But it seems like the head at Marvel went "No, no Joss, we need to be more obvious with this".

I actually enjoyed the film the most when the heroes just kicking ass together and saving civilians. They could have made the film better just by focusing on Ultron's shenanigans and the Maximoff's actions. Speaking of, I enjoy this QS more than Evan Peters acting like....well, Evan Peters in almost every film/tv series he's in. So it annoys me that they just killed him like that. That's the other thing about this film. They dispose many characters too easily. Quicksilver, Kretschmann' character, and even Ultron.

 

[Tacitus_]

So anyone up explaining what's up with Thor and that magic pond? I don't quite understand that, to be honest.

Thor wanted to go to a vision pond to revisit the vision Scarlet gave him. How the rest fit in I have no idea, probably cut, since the black chick from the trailers isn't in the movie.

 

[ArtHands]

Vision is basically a vessel which ultron wants to tranfer his conscious and mind into, because this body is an upgrade over his current form.

But he only did it half way, while the rest are Jarvis.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Thor wanted to go to a vision pond to revisit the vision Scarlet gave him. How the rest fit in I have no idea, probably cut, since the black chick from the trailers isn't in the movie.

No I get that. What I don't get is how random the magic pond seemed to be. I mean, at one cut you saw Thor went to London to meet with the professor and he entered the Prof's car and the next shot of them they suddenly just............ there? Is it on Earth? Asgard? Why did he need the professor's help to go there in the first place....? Why is the "answer" Thor looking for is in there? And he said he saw Vision doing something in his magic-pond powered visions.... doing what?

*Scratches head*

 

[Ithil]

No I get that. What I don't get is how random the magic pond seemed to be. I mean, at one cut you saw Thor went to London to meet with the professor and he entered the Prof's car and the next shot of them they suddenly just............ there? Is it on Earth? Asgard? Why is the "answer" Thor looking for is in there? And he said he saw Vision doing something in his magic-pond powered visions.... doing what?

*Scratches head*

Thor said all the nine realms have a pond like that.

 

[Tacitus_]

No I get that. What I don't get is how random the magic pond seemed to be. I mean, at one cut you saw Thor went to London to meet with the professor and he entered the Prof's car and the next shot of them they suddenly just............ there? Is it on Earth? Asgard? Why is the "answer" Thor looking for is in there? And he said he saw Vision doing something in his magic-pond powered visions.... doing what?

*Scratches head*

I'm with you there >_>

There's some issues in the movie that would've benefited from a bit of explanation.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Thor said all the nine realms have a pond like that.

He did? I must have missed it. I don't think it's ever mentioned in any of his stand-alone movies, yeah? So weird that it's being conjured up so suddenly and so randomly like this.

I am still quite confused about other things to be honest.

 

[Tacitus_]

This movie needs a directors cut IMO. Some continuity from IM3 -> AoU would be nice since Thor and Cap both got it, expand the pond bit and recut the final battle. I much preferred the final battle from the first movie with all the swooping camera motions going from hero to hero and being able to see what they were doing.

 

[Laughing Banana]

One more thing: at the end of the 1st movie Banner seemed to have gained full control of his Hulk power, what's with his "I am always Angry" comment and his ability to transform into Hulk all on his own. And even in Hulk form the green guy seemed to be in very friendly, non-threatening terms with the rest of the Avenger teams, what's with him sneering at Captain America's "Smash" order and him saving Iron Man from his fall and his yell at him, and none of the Avengers looked wary even just a little bit with his presence there. I mean, he looked like he's in full control at the end of the first movie.

And yet, in this one his unstable Hulk form is one of the main conflicts of the movie, and that is even before he get mindfucked by the witch lady, with scenes of Natasha doing a lullaby or some sort to him to call him down. It seems like after the end of the 1st movie, the green guy suddenly became unstable and dangerous again that the heroes even require a specific trick to calm him down...........? I don't get it.

Well, no, actually I do get it in that they need a conflict for his character and his Hulk instability is an easy, good source for that; it's just that it seems in conflict with how Hulk was presented at the end of the 1st movie.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I know it probably won't happen, but it would be great if we could play the movie(DVD/BD whatever) with deleted scenes reattached.

I got an email from Amazon trying to make me pre-order the film and it says it includes an extended cut of the film and alternate ending so I think you may get your wish.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

I don't think it was ever easy in the first movie to calm down Hulk, and in the second movie he was also able to cooperate very well with the team, except when Scarlet Witch got to him which is of course a different story alltogether. The only problem is getting him out of Hulk form, which I don't think is inconsistent with Avengers 1.

 

[NotLiquid]

One more thing: at the end of the 1st movie Banner seemed to have gained full control of his Hulk power, what's with his "I am always Angry" comment and his ability to transform into Hulk all on his own. And even in Hulk form the green guy seemed to be in very friendly, non-threatening terms with the rest of the Avenger teams, what's with him sneering at Captain America's "Smash" order and him saving Iron Man from his fall and his yell at him, and none of the Avengers looked wary even just a little bit with his presence there. I mean, he looked like he's in full control at the end of the first movie.

And yet, in this one his unstable Hulk form is one of the main conflicts of the movie, and that is even before he get mindfucked by the witch lady, with scenes of Natasha doing a lullaby or some sort to him to call him down. It seems like after the end of the 1st movie, the green guy suddenly became unstable and dangerous again that the heroes even require a specific trick to calm him down...........? I don't get it.

Well, no, actually I do get it in that they need a conflict for his character and his Hulk instability is an easy, good source for that; it's just that it seems in conflict with how Hulk was presented at the end of the 1st movie.

I think the whole gimmick regarding the Hulk generally stems from Bruce having to balance fear and irrational anger. He talks about it in the first movie how he was scared of the idea of handling "the other guy", to the point that he tried suicide only to fail. There's a general cyclical nature with both Bruce and Hulk, as they generally "fear" each other in a way, but Bruce managed to learn to control that to some extent. If he willingly turns into the Hulk, he still maintains many of his conscious instincts, but the Hulk is still impulsive and technically it's own being so he still needs some way of calming down and restraint. It's his struggle of managing to meld two different personalities into one (notice how quite a few times in Avengers 2 he's pretty wary about a "code green" situation).

There's a bit of a story behind that original line in The Avengers actually. It's a kind of funny read.

 

[Zaptruder]

Well when at full power she removed 90% of the world's mutant's powers by speaking three words, so yeah.

So she's an omega class mutant in the marvel comic universe...

So she's probably on par with Thor/Ironman/Vision in the cinematic universe when developed.

Was actually expecting her to help blast Ultron in the scene where the other three come out and melt his face.

 

[Joel Was Right]

The emphasis on collateral damage made me think back to the criticisms of MoS. I wonder if it was a response by Marvel to highlight that the Avengers are more heroic.

 

[TimFL]

Maybe he meant this one;

Kevin Feige confirmed that she is just a random woman marketing picked from the material they had to add to the trailer. They cut her before the trailer showcasing her even hit.

 

[Joel Was Right]

There is no post credit scene, well at least that's what Joss and other people who stayed till the end say.

Are there mid and post credit scenes?

Yeah there wasn't one. There were audible sighs at the end of the credits in my screening of the movie.

There absolutely is a post-credit scene. It involves Thanos.

 

[FeD.nL]

The entire Thor subplot was really poorly handled. Judging from the previous trailers there was possibly a lot more going on there which got cut from the film. We'll have to wait for deleted scenes to see how much more there was.

Regarding the Vision's powers, just think of him as Marvel's robotic Superman, while Black Panther is Marvel's African Batman.

I really hoped we get a quick peek at Surtur. But as the Thor storyline is now i´d rather see they cut it entirely from the film.

 

[Altairre]

The emphasis on collateral damage made me think back to the criticisms of MoS. I wonder if it was a response by Marvel to highlight that the Avengers are more heroic.

I think that is absolutely the case. It stood out to me as well how much they emphasized that point, much more than in the battle for New York even though they tried getting people to safety there as well.

On a sidenote I really like the final suit Scarlet Witch is wearing at the end. Hope we see her kicking some more ass in Civil War.

 

[Betty]

There absolutely is a post-credit scene. It involves Thanos.

That's the mid credits one after the statue display.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

More confirmation Civil War is Avengers 2.5.

*New Avengers

Just needs that sweet, sweet Vision confirmation now...

Actually, can I just say that I really, really love the New Avengers lineup as a whole? SW and Vision were some of the best bits in AoU, and War Machine ended up being one of the better parts of Iron Man 3. Love Falcon too, was annoyed we didn't see him in action this time around.

 

[Pachimari]

What does JV line-up stand for? Jarvis?

I just saw the movie today, and I laughed a lot and I really liked it - yet I feel empty. The stakes didn't feel high, Ultron were underdeveloped and kind of a joke, and Thor being gone for a moment; Fury having a Hellicarrier and such were never explained.

It's actually weird, how Nick Fury almost act as a Shield director and have access to all of that. I wonder how Agents of Shield will tie into the movie. It's probably just the von Strucker connection.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Also where the fuck did the Irish lady Jarvis come from?

 

[NotLiquid]

Also where the fuck did the Irish lady Jarvis come from?

Tony had a bunch of stock AI programs he'd developed through time. He replaced Jarvis with another one called Friday after Jarvis' program is uploaded to Vision. It's a short segment when they suit up but you can see Tony inject a computer chip labeled "Friday" into a mainframe.

 

[Altairre]

Also where the fuck did the Irish lady Jarvis come from?

That was the most random thing. I saw that he changed the program but when she started speaking with an Irish accent I was like "What the fuck is going on?" and I wasn't the only one in the cinema. Cracked me up.

 

[Tacitus_]

http://screencrush.com/avengers-2-dvd-blu-ray/ extended edition on disk!

And now the waiting starts T_T

 

[Miles Quaritch]

http://screencrush.com/avengers-2-dvd-blu-ray/ extended edition on disk!

And now the waiting starts T_T

Alternate ending is interesting.

Wonder what it could be?