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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This

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I didn't really like Quicksilver in this. I thought his DOFP incarnation was better.
DoFP Quicksilver did a Flash timestop and then disappeared before his DC Speed Force became a giant plothole.

AoU Quicksilver is more definitive for the character:
- Difficult childhood shared with sister in Europe (not some That 70s Show kid)
- Angry, initially misguided, but has heart of gold
- Fast but not attosecond fast, gets winded and hurt from fighting
 
I get the feeling that the extended version will play out a bit better. An hour in and it feels pretty rushed. Suddenly there's Vision and we're told his name 2-3 times. Vision confronts Ultron and grabs his face and looks to be doing some damage. Then we cut away and have no idea what the fuck happened to Vision.

This becomes a cluster fuck of there being too many characters. Still good but flawed. And the more I think about it the more I've come the conclusion that while Ultron was cool, he didn't really feel like he had a real purpose. He's just a bad guy concocted to be a temporary threat who dies at the end. That's it. It leaves me with the same feeling after watching the first Avengers, this feels like an extended trailer for when they fight Thanos.

Vision needed much more screen time.

DoFP Quicksilver did a Flash timestop and then disappeared before his DC Speed Force became a giant plothole.

AoU Quicksilver is more definitive for the character:
- Difficult childhood shared with sister in Europe (not some That 70s Show kid)
- Angry, initially misguided, but has heart of gold
- Fast but not attosecond fast, gets winded and hurt from fighting

I agree that he was a plot hole but I liked that depiction of the character more than in this. In this, he just felt pretty generic. I didn't care at all when he died. And the depiction of his powers in DOFP was leagues better then this.

Marvel Movie ranking:

Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man Trilogy
Avengers 2
Avengers 1
Captain America 2
 
I agree that he was a plot hole but I liked that depiction of the character more than in this. In this, he just felt pretty generic. I didn't care at all when he died. And the depiction of his powers in DOFP was leagues better then this.
Just because it's overpowered, basically everything stands still so he can casually rearrange every object to slapstick comedic effect.

Meanwhile his personality is That's 70s Show American carefree kid. That is even more generic, and very far off from the spirit of the original character.
 
Quite liked Hawkeye quipping away and he seems to be embracing the 'well, I'm low on the tier so well have fun folks' style. Gold.

Movie itself was entertaining enough but it is a middle episode so the stakes felt even less than the first movie. C'est la vie, on to Infinity War.
 
Just because it's overpowered, basically everything stands still so he can casually rearrange every object to slapstick comedic effect.

Meanwhile his personality is That's 70s Show American carefree kid. That is even more generic, and very far off from the spirit of the original character.

A guy who can stop time at will is far more interesting than a guy who can just run super fast. DC had to do the same thing to The Flash in the comics to make him interesting.

And I thought he was fun in DOFP. He actually had a personality. What personality did he have in AOU? I didn't see that much. And I did not care whatsoever when he died.
 
- Does very little to change up the status quo. Yes we got strong hints of future conflict, but at the end of the movie the team is intact, everyone is alive (sorry Quicksilver), etc. It felt like treading water, from a meta-story standpoint.
TL;DR:

Avengers at start of movie:
Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye

Avengers at end of movie:
Captain America, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, War Machine, Vision, Falcon.

That's not changing the status quo? Especially given you ask "if anyone gives a shit about the new Avengers" right after that? The status quo does not consist solely of "living and dead" you know.

- Way too much MCU baggage. Wasting time explaining where people like Pepper are, which does ZERO for this movie itself, and only serves as a distraction.

- Perhaps the movie's greatest sin is that it's a direct sequel to not just Avengers, but also Winter Soldier. If you didn't see that movie, you're completely hosed, here. Where's SHIELD? Why is Fury a hobo? You'll find no explanations here.

So you're annoyed that they spent time explaining where absent people are, but are also annoyed that they didn't explain where Fury was? Do you want an explanation or not? The Avengers were at a party, and Iron Man/Thor's respective girlfriends were absent. 15 seconds explaining why they aren't there is hardly a problem.
 
Avengers at start of movie:
Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye

Avengers at end of movie:
Captain America, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, War Machine, Vision, Falcon.

That's not changing the status quo? Especially given you ask "if anyone gives a shit about the new Avengers" right after that? The status quo does not consist solely of "living and dead" you know.



So you're annoyed that they spent time explaining where absent people are, but are also annoyed that they didn't explain where Fury was? Do you want an explanation or not? The Avengers were at a party, and Iron Man/Thor's respective girlfriends were absent. 15 seconds explaining why they aren't there is hardly a problem.
I don't expect any consistency in that, definitely expecting the old Avengers in the third to play a large role
 
I don't expect any consistency in that, definitely expecting the old Avengers in the third to play a large role

Well all the new Avengers will be in Civil War, while Hulk and Thor won't be, so that is the team for the future. . Iron Man obviously will be in Civil War, but will be against Cap, so his complaint of "status quo" makes even less sense.

Status quo would be ending the film on the same team as the start. Basically everyone ever is going to be in Infinity War, so that doesn't really count./
 
A guy who can stop time at will is far more interesting than a guy who can just run super fast. DC had to do the same thing to The Flash in the comics to make him interesting.

And I thought he was fun in DOFP. He actually had a personality. What personality did he have in AOU? I didn't see that much. And I did not care whatsoever when he died.
AoU personality: bitter and angry from war-torn childhood, fiercely protective of sister, cares about homeland, wishes to do good in the end.

DoFP personality: carefree American kid

Time stop is not interesting, it's an instant-win button to every situation. If DoFP QS tagged along to the Sentinel ceremony, he just stops time, casually finds Mystique, drops her off in jail, grabs all incriminating documents from Trask, plants a custard pie on president's face, and shaves everyone's head.
 
The whole vibranium thing came out of nowhere and suddenly there is enough for suits and building giant machines

Vibranium isn't rare, Wakanda has a shit ton of it, Black Panther just has a complete monopoly on it.
Cap's shield is rare because it isn't just vibranium, it's an alloy of 3 metals, one of which is still a mystery. Which is also why it's unbreakable, unlike vibranium.

- Thor's Hammer is able to bring Vision to life because... reasons.

I think you didn't pay attention, the crade needed to stay powered, Quicksilver disconnected it. Thor just zapped it with electricity, you could even see the power meter recharge when he does it.
He basically uses mjolnir as the most awesome defibrillator ever.

It's not "reasons".
 
But still... if I were to rank the MCU movies, Age of Ultron would probably be somewhere in the middle. Above IM2, Hulk, etc., but well well below the top tier.

- Way too much MCU baggage. Wasting time explaining where people like Pepper are, which does ZERO for this movie itself, and only serves as a distraction.

- Perhaps the movie's greatest sin is that it's a direct sequel to not just Avengers, but also Winter Soldier. If you didn't see that movie, you're completely hosed, here. Where's SHIELD? Why is Fury a hobo? You'll find no explanations here.

What?
 
I wouldn't *exactly* call it egotistical but not giving us an "Avengers Assemble" at the end WAS a dick move.

personally I don't care...but it just seems stupid to me. What's the fkn point of holding back on the "assemble"? It's not like you're wasting anything too soon...
 
They're saving it for Infinity War, I'm fine with it.

casual fans couldn't care less, and nerds only get frustrated.

It's not even that cool of a line...when they say it in IW, I doubt it's gonna be a "holy sh***" moment.

again, I personally don't care. Hearing Cap say assemble wouldn't get me excited, it just seems like such an odd thing to tease about.
 
The more I think about it, the more I agree. I enjoyed some of them, but they were constant throughout the movie. When Ultron started being funny, it kinda killed the threat for me. Though I did laugh every time someone mentioned Cap after there was a swear word.

Hawkeye easily had the best dialogue, quips and not-quips.

When Hulk boarded the quinjet and Ultron went "oh gods sake" was worth it tho. Almost killed the whole theater I was in.
 
AoU personality: bitter and angry from war-torn childhood, fiercely protective of sister, cares about homeland, wishes to do good in the end.

DoFP personality: carefree American kid

Time stop is not interesting, it's an instant-win button to every situation. If DoFP QS tagged along to the Sentinel ceremony, he just stops time, casually finds Mystique, drops her off in jail, grabs all incriminating documents from Trask, plants a custard pie on president's face, and shaves everyone's head.

Yeah, I mean I can understand if you like his personality in DoFP more but it's not like he has a lot of it there either. It's kind of worth it to have him for the one scene but it's also hilarious how fast they had to write him out after it so that he doesn't kill the plot entirely.
 
When Hulk boarded the quinjet and Ultron went "oh gods sake" was worth it tho. Almost killed the whole theater I was in.

I felt like that was another attempt at Whedon's part for another meta gag. Ultron knows everything there is about the heroes so I'm going to assume he'd also know about how Hulk royally fucked up Loki, but beside that point alone it was amazing how they chose to not even center the camera on the action during that moment. It's like a good way on the director's part to acknowledge what went down as one of the most memorable moments for the audience in the previous movie without actually having to relinquish that moment away from the audience and using it as a crutch, especially when you consider how short that entire exchange was. Most of the audience would likely know what Hulk did in the last movie to "get the joke", and most casual viewers are treated still to a generally hilarious scene.

Honestly, it almost reminded me of how Lord and Miller treated callback comedy in 22 Jump Street, and that's a tricky thing to get right.
 
I am really disappointed that there are no nods to ANYTHING in this.
Doctor Strange, Black Panther (well other than Claw), Spidey, Guardians, Ant-Man, any of the Netflix stuff.
 
is anyone getting mcu fatigue, i see alot of negative reviews on here

Nope, if Civil War is good then we can rest assured Infinity War will be amazing.

I though Age of Ultron was pretty good, definitely better than the first Avengers with a stronger start and middle.

I am really disappointed that there are no nods to ANYTHING in this.
Doctor Strange, Black Panther (well other than Claw), Spidey, Guardians, Ant-Man, any of the Netflix stuff.

Wakanda was mentioned and the seeds of distrust sown between Cap and Iron Man had me itching for a face off in Civil War.
 
I am really disappointed that there are no nods to ANYTHING in this.
Doctor Strange, Black Panther (well other than Claw), Spidey, Guardians, Ant-Man, any of the Netflix stuff.

So there were no nods to Black Panther apart from the nod to Black Panther?
 
I felt like that was another attempt at Whedon's part for another meta gag. Ultron knows everything there is about the heroes so I'm going to assume he'd also know about how Hulk royally fucked up Loki, but beside that point alone it was amazing how they chose to not even center the camera on the action during that moment. It's like a good way on the director's part to acknowledge what went down as one of the most memorable moments for the audience in the previous movie without actually having to relinquish that moment away from the audience and using it as a crutch, especially when you consider how short that entire exchange was. Most of the audience would likely know what Hulk did in the last movie to "get the joke", and most casual viewers are treated still to a generally hilarious scene.

Honestly, it almost reminded me of how Lord and Miller treated callback comedy in 22 Jump Street, and that's a tricky thing to get right.

I think you're thinking too hard about it. Ultron just knew how royally fucked he was when Hulk hopped in.
 
One of the things I really dig about the New Avengers line up is how perfectly it sets up team #GoCap or #FuckyouTony depending on how you look at it.

Falcon and Widow: Both are pretty much established as Cap's ride or die homies since Winter Soldier and when the time comes to it WILL have Caps back.

Wanda: Has hated Tony's guts since the beginning of the movie and not much has changed since to sway her opinion.

Rhodey: Granted he IS Tony's boy but this is, in my eyes, an awesome setup to an "Et tu, Rhodey" moment in the future when Rhodey sides with fellow military man Cap against Tony whom he KNOWS is capable of leading the world into hell on a road paved with good intentions.

The only wildcard I see here is Vision since we really don't know which way he'd land in the toss up but whatever happens I'm sure it will be entertaining to watch.
 
So there were no nods to Black Panther apart from the nod to Black Panther?

Maybe he meant this one;
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Maybe he meant this one;
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Well I mean they had one of Panther's biggest enemies in the film, mentioned Wakanda and explained it was isolationist and the source of vibranium. I don't know how much more "nodding" you can give without having Panther himself appear.

Shouting out to something like GOTG, wouldn't make sense given GOTG and the Earth based MCU are meant to be kept separate for the forseeable future.
 
Maybe he meant this one;
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I completely forgot about this.

There's no way they would name-drop Wakanda without showing T'Challa or his father, with his first appearance set to be in the following film (although I assume that's now changed to Spider-Man). It's just weird.

I imagine that this was going to set-up Black Panther pretty hard and it no longer makes sense given the delay and partial Spider-Man acquisition.
 
- Does anyone really give a shit about a New Avengers line-up made up of War Machine. Falcon, and other B-teamers? What a weird, deflating note to end on. Completely wrong, tonally. We just spent over 2 hours (and 6+ movies) with this crew we love. Let's close not on them, but some JV squad instead. This final scene really worries me, in fact. It's one thing to seed little MCU references around your films, to connect them. It's another to make a movie's final scene, it's closing moment, service that MCU instead of servicing the story you just got done telling.

I don't mind that they are adding new people to the team, but something just doesn't sit right with me about Tony's departure. He's the money, he's the technology for the jets and the bases and the armor. SHIELD isn't behind all of that anymore. We already know he's not done in the universe... I don't know, something about the way it was done gave it a false sense of finality that just really bothered me.

Thor's departure bothered me less, and as far as I'm concerned he wasn't leaving the team. He did this before as well--leave the earth to go back and do his thing on Asgard.
 
I completely forgot about this.

There's no way they would name-drop Wakanda without showing T'Challa or his father, with his first appearance set to be in the following film (although I assume that's now changed to Spider-Man). It's just weird.

I imagine that this was going to set-up Black Panther pretty hard and it no longer makes sense given the delay and partial Spider-Man acquisition.

I don't really think that's necessarily the case. The movie is already filled to the brim with multiple plot threads and the only real problem with the movie is that there's already too much in it. I think leaving whatever this was at the cutting room floor was less about Black Panther being delayed and more about not wanting to raise up any more needless plot threads. Thor's whole vision stuff is already not given enough time to be defined as is, no point in stuffing more x factors in.

Wakanda was already used in a suitable enough capacity as the source of Vibranium, which is the more important key point to take from the whole thing and that's how the source material constituted it. It's always been the source of the stuff. When they mention it, the movie makes a much bigger deal about Vibranium originating there.
 
Do note that I have never read the comics and I have no intention to and thus I have no knowledge beyond what I have seen in the movies, but I don't really understand what is specifically Scarlet Witch's power. Mind-reading/altering? But she can also create shields. And apparenly she can also make stuff disintegrate with her smokey red stuff or something?

What is exactly her main power? It seems like her power is very diverse/flexible.

Also, I think they killed that Quicksilver guy because it may conflict with the X-Men movie, I dunno, hahaha. Such an incredibly trope-ish way to get rid of him though, very lame, uncreative, and seemed so forced "oh you need to die now so bye."

I like the whole Romanoff-Banner romance though, although this too seems so sudden since I don't remember there was ANY indication of this whatsoever in the first Avenger or Captain America Winter Soldier.... seemed so, I dunno, kind of forced to make the single attractive Avenger female member gets a love story or something. I like it though.
 
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