Manmademan
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no, I think the old lady was just from K'un Lun, where Iron Fist gains his powers. she indicates she's from "much farther away than china" so that sort of makes sense, given the hints.
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no, I think the old lady was just from K'un Lun, where Iron Fist gains his powers. she indicates she's from "much farther away than china" so that sort of makes sense, given the hints.
super-famicom
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It's possible she is Crane Mother, ruler of K'un-Zi, one of the Legendary Cities of Heaven, or most likely (since this is MCU), at least someone from there. Iron Fist is the Immortal Weapon of another legendary city, K'un-Lun. The drugs she were selling were also referred to as "Steel Serpent," which in Marvel 616 was her city's Immortal Weapon.
The logo stamped onto the drug packaging is also similar to the symbol on the Steel Serpent's chest:
Ok cool. I'm not comic book savvy and only know from movies and AoS. Is it some kind of ancient martial arts knowledge?
Ignatz Mouse
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Have you described comic book Kingpin pretty much, and what I wish we got.
It's possible she is Crane Mother, ruler of K'un-Zi, one of the Legendary Cities of Heaven, or most likely (since this is MCU), at least someone from there. Iron Fist is the Immortal Weapon of another legendary city, K'un-Lun. The drugs she were selling were also referred to as "Steel Serpent," which in Marvel 616 was her city's Immortal Weapon.
The logo stamped onto the drug packaging is also similar to the symbol on the Steel Serpent's chest:
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plasmawave
Banned
The red suit needs to go.
It's too goofy and doesn't really match the tone of the show,
They should have just upgraded the ninja suit and kept the overall look.
It's too goofy and doesn't really match the tone of the show,
They should have just upgraded the ninja suit and kept the overall look.
Well it was an unfinished work in progress. I'm sure season 2's suit will be better.
Nah, what needs to go are the black parts of the suit, and the "armored" nature of it. There should be more fabric, pure red, and a Kevlar layer underneath for protection. My biggest issue with the costume is that it seems to go against Daredevil's skill set. He's very agile and mobile, does flips and shit all over, and is more of an evasive combatant than one who would prepare to just take a ton of damage upfront. Every time he allows himself to get hit, he gets hurt bad and is at a disadvantage. Instead of just mitigating that damage, the suit should allow him remain just as mobile. The armored design isn't convincing in that sense, and it definitely looks like it limits his movements and agility in a fight.
Zomba13
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Yeah. As much as it's all well and good to laugh and joke with spandex, he needs a spandex suit. He should be like Spider-Man, a tight suit that allows him to move and do flips and shit. And they've even got the perfect in universe logic because the kevlar fabric in Fisk's suits was made form the stuff and they were plenty flexible. The armoured/kevlar bits on the suit look too bulky for a guy who is basically a ninja. With a spandex like suit made from the kevlar fabric he can dodge and be cool and if he gets hit it won't cut him up like the last time. And it'll probably look better and less clumpy.
super-famicom
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The mask is very similar to Iron Fist's, minus eyeholes.
Vampirolol
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Priest was the best character and actor in the series. Anyway this is miles better than any other superhero show, Flash was such a disappointment.
We were meant to be fed up with it, though. The point was Wilson repeatedly telling himself a lie to justify who he was. Then he realises he's the monster, and from herein we'll see The Kingpin from the comic-books. It was his origin story.
eastx
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What a weird thing to say.
I really liked him too. Also Leland and Fisk's friend/assistant (can't remember the name right now).
Manmademan
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spider man heals faster than normal due to his power set though (this was made explicit in ASM2 for what its worth) but daredevil doesn't have this excuse. if he's going to be running around getting the shit beat out of him, he's going to need SOME kind of protection with that suit. the spider man route isn't going to work.
brianjones
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show reminds me of Angel but not as good so far
Just finished watching this show, it was so amazing. I loved all the characters, even the secondary ones like Senor Foggy. Can't wait for season 2. But they killed way too many people! I was so taken aback by Wesley's death - was NOT expecting Karen to react the way she did. It was an awesome ending to the episode, but I really wanted to learn more about Wesley, Fisk's only friend. And Ben was such a good guy, RIP 
. Leland was awesome too, what a sarcastic old man.
I think I agree with others about the final Daredevil costume. It did feel a bit jarring. I preferred the 'bandit' look.
. Leland was awesome too, what a sarcastic old man.I think I agree with others about the final Daredevil costume. It did feel a bit jarring. I preferred the 'bandit' look.
Christopher
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The only thing I hated about the show was the chick from True Blood...I couldn't stand her on that show and thought I was rid of her once it ended, but nope...
Finished watching this a few days ago. Overall very impressed, I loved this spin on the Kingpin and his 'I am the ill intent...' realization at the end. Came across as vulnerable and tragic despite his power and rage. I'm ready for something closer to comic book Kingpin now that he has abandoned the pretense of good now though.
Bit of a shame they killed off Urich and Wesley though. Wesley's death seemed poorly done to boot, I struggle to believe he would be so reckless. Both were great characters and it's a shame we won't see any more of them.
Bit of a shame they killed off Urich and Wesley though. Wesley's death seemed poorly done to boot, I struggle to believe he would be so reckless. Both were great characters and it's a shame we won't see any more of them.
Finished it day before.
Great show, I honestly didn't have high hopes for it - pleasantly surprised.
Great characters with good onscreen chemistry.
Liked the vulnerability of Kingpin.
Loved the black costume.
LOL at the red costume, looks very tryhard. They should've at least gone with the look they had in the damn opening sequence (which was also great, btw)!
Can't wait for season 2.
Great show, I honestly didn't have high hopes for it - pleasantly surprised.
Great characters with good onscreen chemistry.
Liked the vulnerability of Kingpin.
Loved the black costume.
LOL at the red costume, looks very tryhard. They should've at least gone with the look they had in the damn opening sequence (which was also great, btw)!
Can't wait for season 2.
Christopher
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I keep telling myself Wesleys death is set up
timetokill
Banned
Just blitzed through the show over the past few days.
I thought it was good overall, but got worse towards the end. the battle at the end was seriously anticlimactic. I don't buy this Fisk holding his own against DD for a second. Made sense after the ninja fight since he was nearly dead anyway, but in the alley it was just a poorly done fight scene.
I'm hoping Vanessa gets iced in S2.
Also, more Rosario, please.
I thought it was good overall, but got worse towards the end. the battle at the end was seriously anticlimactic. I don't buy this Fisk holding his own against DD for a second. Made sense after the ninja fight since he was nearly dead anyway, but in the alley it was just a poorly done fight scene.
I'm hoping Vanessa gets iced in S2.
Also, more Rosario, please.
Shuggananas
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Watched it too, pretty good overall, I'm glad Foggy and Karen didn't date, would have been so cliché
Septimus Prime
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It kind of makes sense the way it is, though. Fisk's suit is not form-fitting, so it can be pretty thick, with the kevlar mesh sandwiched between cotton layers, and while it's pliable, it might not be flexible enough to handle Daredevil's agility. Having it as light armor instead, though, would allow him to move around without the suit flying all over the place.
Just watched episode 7, Stick, so I am not yet reading the whole thread for fear of spoilers.
But I'd like some comic info: Any guesses who the guy is Stick talks to at the end? Someone from The Hand?
Anyway, I think Daredevil might just be my favourite MCU property (together with Winter Soldier).
But I'd like some comic info: Any guesses who the guy is Stick talks to at the end? Someone from The Hand?
Anyway, I think Daredevil might just be my favourite MCU property (together with Winter Soldier).
McBradders
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Agreed that the finale was kinda weak at the end. I loved the slow mo crashing of the empire, though. They could have just run credits there and I would have been super satisifed with it. Overall I thought it was great, never been a fan of Daredevil, always seemed kinda meh to me but... well, count me as a fan now. I hope they can let him out to play for Civil War at the very least, would be great to see Foggy and Murdoch show up to flex their legal powers on the big screen.
Also; totall gutted about Urich biting it... good lord why?
Also; totall gutted about Urich biting it... good lord why?
Think the guy who he talks to is Stone. In the comics they're both members of the Chaste, a secretive group of master martial artists (if I remember right anyway). Guess it's a setup for season 2 or Defenders.
Finished it over the weekend. Definitely enjoyed it overall, but I felt that the rest of the season could not reach the height of first two episodes. Wonder if Drew Goddard's departure had anything to do with drop in quality.
And talk about body count among supporting characters... It's a miracle that Foggy & Karen survived in the end.
And talk about body count among supporting characters... It's a miracle that Foggy & Karen survived in the end.
dark_inferno
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A few things i liked :
The first 2 episodes are nearly perfect. With top notch action and right focus on characters.
Kingpin. He had a few awkward moments but overall he was good.
Priest
The main duos bond (Foggy and Matt)
Avogados at Law
Best supportive characters in the history of marvel cinema.
Negative:
And now they are dead.
The Costume is a bit meh.
"MUH CITY"
The Action scenes in the last half of the season are just a god damn drag.
Overall i liked it alot. I just hope they improve on those levels to make it even better.
The first 2 episodes are nearly perfect. With top notch action and right focus on characters.
Kingpin. He had a few awkward moments but overall he was good.
Priest
The main duos bond (Foggy and Matt)
Avogados at Law
Best supportive characters in the history of marvel cinema.
Negative:
And now they are dead.
The Costume is a bit meh.
"MUH CITY"
The Action scenes in the last half of the season are just a god damn drag.
Overall i liked it alot. I just hope they improve on those levels to make it even better.
KenzinFive
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I enjoyed most of the series, even knowing that Ben was going to die (got spoiled; thanks Internet). What I DIDN'T know was that Wesley would die, how he went out was probably the biggest shock of the series. He was a great character, and it sucked to see Karen get even more fucked up.
The ending episode though....one of the things I really liked about the series was how utterly hopeless it seemed. Kingpin had half the city in his pocket, he was viewed as this city savior by the public, Nelson and Murdock were split up, everyone was paranoid, no one was talking to anyone, and Ben was killed. The episode where Foggy and Matt argue was depressing and a highlight, especially since I really liked their chemistry.
Then, in the last episode, the good guys come back together, Kingpin's entire operation is shut down by one informant, he goes to jail, and the good guys win. It was incredibly rushed and it felt like I was watching a broadcast show being suddenly canceled and forced to tie up all of its plot lines halfway into the season. Compared to the beginning of the series, it felt like it became a CW show with how matter-of-fact the Kingpin/Daredevil fight was.
The ending episode though....one of the things I really liked about the series was how utterly hopeless it seemed. Kingpin had half the city in his pocket, he was viewed as this city savior by the public, Nelson and Murdock were split up, everyone was paranoid, no one was talking to anyone, and Ben was killed. The episode where Foggy and Matt argue was depressing and a highlight, especially since I really liked their chemistry.
Then, in the last episode, the good guys come back together, Kingpin's entire operation is shut down by one informant, he goes to jail, and the good guys win. It was incredibly rushed and it felt like I was watching a broadcast show being suddenly canceled and forced to tie up all of its plot lines halfway into the season. Compared to the beginning of the series, it felt like it became a CW show with how matter-of-fact the Kingpin/Daredevil fight was.
Auron_Kale
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Finally finished this over the weekend with my friends (we did it over a stretch of 3 weekends).
There were points when the show dragged - particularly with either the Union Allied story or even Fisk/Vanessa - but I really enjoyed S1. I like that they basically combined Night Nurse with Claire Temple, as it's definitely bridging both Daredevil and Luke Cage, so hopefully we'll be seeing more of Rosario around.
The suit itself is definitely in-progress, but I'm looking forward to the next evolution of it hopefully in S2. Even during the fight, it seemed a bit to hinder Matt's movements.
Finally, should Hawkeye ever appear... They both need to meet in a dumpster.
There were points when the show dragged - particularly with either the Union Allied story or even Fisk/Vanessa - but I really enjoyed S1. I like that they basically combined Night Nurse with Claire Temple, as it's definitely bridging both Daredevil and Luke Cage, so hopefully we'll be seeing more of Rosario around.
The suit itself is definitely in-progress, but I'm looking forward to the next evolution of it hopefully in S2. Even during the fight, it seemed a bit to hinder Matt's movements.
Finally, should Hawkeye ever appear... They both need to meet in a dumpster.
before this came along Flash had the best season 1 of any super-hero series ever.
wut? Flash is easily the best superhero show atm. DD is tied w/ Arrow s2 for me.
Jean Valjean
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Yeah, I agree with everything you just said.
Also, Karen has to pay for Wesley's death. Hope Kingpin gets his hands on her next season.
Yeah, I became a Wilson Fisk fan.
Joe Prodigy
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Just finished the show. Really enjoyed it. It was great to finally see him put on the suit at the end. Reading the comments here, I guess I'm in a small group that likes his costume? Weird.
I'm psyched for Jessica Jones.
I'm psyched for Jessica Jones.
timetokill
Banned
For how much they talk about THIS CITY, they did a pretty poor job making the audience care about it. It seems like pretty much everyone is corrupt and bought-off.
They really could have used more lawyerin' stories to help flesh out the "common man" and why it was worth helping anyone. All we really got was the "one good cop" and the surly bartender.
They really could have used more lawyerin' stories to help flesh out the "common man" and why it was worth helping anyone. All we really got was the "one good cop" and the surly bartender.
BrightLightLava
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Very true, also every time they said that I would think "Hell's Kitchen is a neighborhood, not a city".
But yeah, more lawyer stuff will help and even just seeing more people like Mrs. Cardenas that aren't gang bangers or corrupt cops.
Pay? She doesnt have to pay for anything, her life was in danger, she reaponded rationally
BrightLightLava
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A lot of people don't seem to notice that Wesley had just kidnapped and pointed a gun at her. Karen didn't grow to like him over a number of episodes, he was just another guy that wanted to do her harm. She saw her shot, and she took it (zing).
I can't really blame her for that, even though I did like Wesley.
Ditto. it would've been nice to see him live, but in that situation, Karen was abducted by a stranger who was threatening to ruin her own life, as well as the lives of her loved ones (And by this point, she was well-aware that this was a credible threat). To us, we lost a beloved villain, but from her perspective, he was just another thug. It's sort of like in Pulp Fiction, where
Vince dies unceremoniously during Butch's story
As for the other 2 deaths this season, they were definitely trying to set up Leland's son, Lee; seeing how his father can't be the Owl anymore, I'm thinking Lee'll show up and become the Owl somewhere in this Defenders mini-series, seeing how Fisk was the only witness to Leland's death, he might tell Lee that Daredevil did it by accident or something. I don't think they were expecting the Spider-Man deal when they were writing Ben's death, so they might try to find some lame-but-somewhat-justified excuse to bring him back, too (We never see his body after he's strangled, IIRC).
Also, anyone else thinking/hoping the Stilt-Man reference was merely that, and not any sort of foreshadowing?
SliceSabre
Banned
Saw the first two episodes so far. Gotta say I'm loving it more than I was expecting. Thought it was being over-hyped but I was wrong. A lot more brutal than I was expecting too.
I'm also enjoying the fact that besides the times he uses his super hearing and such during fights, he just seems like an ordinary guy who is particularly skilled in fighting. This compared to someone like say Batman who does in fact seem superhuman when he fights despite not having any actual powers.
I'm also enjoying the fact that besides the times he uses his super hearing and such during fights, he just seems like an ordinary guy who is particularly skilled in fighting. This compared to someone like say Batman who does in fact seem superhuman when he fights despite not having any actual powers.
Chuckie
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Lolwat? He threatened to kill everyone she holds dear and then kill her too.
Of course she shot the cunt.
Joss plz
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