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[Lionel Richie]

Klitschko is considered to be boring even though he KO's most folks. His style is very defensive and risk adverse (for good reason with the relative weak chin that he has). Nobody talks about the Heavyweights but hardcore fans like myself.

You're right about Klitschko, but I feel his style of defense has more presence and he can get up and hit dudes when he feels like it. Plus, aside from the Victor Ortiz shit show, Mayweather doesn't have a non technical KO in this millenium.

And Heavyweights is where boxing is at for me. Maybe I'm spoiled from growing up watching pre-Buster Douglas Mike Tyson flat out killing dudes.

 

[Onemic]

You're out of touch. Plain and straight up. Pettis was and is wildly more popular than Hendo and I say that as Hendo fan. You've also clearly missed a ton of LW fights that have been insane.. including Cerrone who won 8 out of 10 fights in 2 years. The losses? To current champ Anjos and former champ Pettis. Then there's a number of other great talent in the division. But at this point we're way off topic. Though I can post a list if you absolutely assist.

yup, I very well could be. I just havent seen any LW fights that have wowed me in a very long time, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Yes, like I say, most fight fans don't really understand what they are watching.

Typical "boring fight" reactions to Mayweather cleaning up another one. The guy is just too good at his craft.

People are paying $100 see entertainment not clinching and jabbing for 36 minutes.

 

[BadAss2961]

After the weigh-in, I'm even more confident in Mayweather losing tomorrow night. Some people may see a serious and focused Mayweather, I see nervous as fuck. He knows what's coming.

Can't wait to hear his excuses tomorrow. "My hand broke in the 2nd round" lol

lol... I love how Manny and his camp turned out to be the ones using injuries as an excuse -- his hand being one of them.

You lost BIG here. Lots of material to quote.

 

[Lebron]

People are paying $100 see entertainment not clinching and jabbing for 36 minutes.

lol casual boxing fans.

 

[CountAntonius]

lol casual boxing fans.

Mayweather fans also fans of Kiltchko I'm guessing?

 

[lupinko]

Floyd was nervous alright, nervous at how he's going to spend all that money and build up his even bigger payday come September.

 

[hwalker84]

The chick on the right was looking at Floyd like "I'll have your babies" when he started talking about all the money he made tonight.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

seems like a good strategy

Undoubtedly. It has served him very well. He will likely retire unbeaten and absurdly rich.

But 5, 10, 20 years from now when I'm sitting at my computer with a sudden urge to watch some great classic boxing fights, Mayweather will never be one of the names that comes up for consideration. I — and many others — will remember him as a superbly talented boxer whose style was devoid of any lasting entertainment value.

 

[Le_Samourai]

People are paying $100 see entertainment not clinching and jabbing for 36 minutes.

And they were expecting all the sudden that Floyd was gonna fight like this? I dont get it.

 

[Froli]

Explain Ronald Reagan the actor.

I don't see why being an actor is silly to run for office.

Ronald Reagan at least finished his education. And his accomplishment speaks for itself.

Estrada? LOL and Fernando poe jr. Almost winning?
This shows a LOT of pinoys will vote for people who are famous, and not for their skills and capabilities.

 

[ISOM]

People criticizing Floyd should be really criticizing Pac since he's the one who didn't bring the fight to Floyd and instead got baited into his game. Pac Stans all said that this wouldn't happen yet it did. If anyone should be blamed for a boring fight it's him not Floyd. You should know what you're getting from Floyd at this point.

 

[harSon]

Undoubtedly. It has served him very well. He will likely retire unbeaten and absurdly rich.

But 5, 10, 20 years from now when I'm sitting at my computer with a sudden urge to watch some great classic boxing fights, Mayweather will never be one of the names that comes up for consideration. I — and many others — will remember him as a superbly talented boxer whose style was devoid of any lasting entertainment value.

I always bring up videos of him dodging punches though. His reaction speed and ability to dissect what a fighter is doing and going to do is ridiculous.

I could watch shit like this all day:

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Mayweather fans also fans of Kiltchko I'm guessing?

If Klitscko was black, he'd have a lot more fans.

 

[MidBoss]

Boxing needs more stability updates. Just my $100 bucks.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

People criticizing Floyd should be really criticizing Pac since he's the one who didn't bring the fight to Floyd and instead got baited into his game. Pac Stans all said that this wouldn't happen yet it did. If anyone should be blamed for a boring fight it's him not Floyd. You should know what you're getting from Floyd at this point.

Yes. Because the majority of people who bought into this fight were avid boxing fans.

Instead of trying to defend how boring boxing is, why not acknowledge the layman don't find it entertaining and find ways to make it entertaining.

Y'all acting like every one's a Manny fan and are crying their eyes out like they just got dumped. No. They're saying the fight was physically boring and every one seems to blame Mayweather with his hugging and just running around the skirts of the ring. Just accept people don't find that particular way of fighting entertaining.

 

[Le_Samourai]

I always bring up videos of him dodging punches though. His reaction speed and ability to dissect what a fighter is doing and going to do is ridiculous.

I could watch shit like this all day:

Floyd highlights are awesome

 

[lupinko]

Ronald Reagan at least finished his education. And his accomplishment speaks for itself.

Estrada? LOL and Fernando poe jr. Almost winning?
This shows a LOT of pinoys will vote for people who are famous, and not for their skills and capabilities.

Eh you got me there.

Anyway for whatever reason I'm really bored, I planned this morning (and now it's the afternoon) around this fight. It was what I expected (obviously not what I had hoped), now I guess I can do my laundry or something.

 

[perineumlick]

I have to admit, I am swimming in the salt from the rabid Pac fans I know. They are coming up with all kinds of crazy reasons why Pac couldn't stop Floyd from out boxing him. I can just imagine the garbage I would read in here if I skimmed the last few pages lol.

 

[ISOM]

Yes. Because the majority of people who bought into this fight were avid boxing fans.

Instead of trying to defend how boring boxing is, why not acknowledge the layman don't find it entertaining and find ways to make it entertaining.

Y'all acting like every one's a Manny fan and are crying their eyes out like they just got dumped. No. They're saying the fight was physically boring and every one seems to blame Mayweather with his hugging and just running around the skirts of the ring.

If Manny couldn't find a way to takedown Floyd's game than that's on him. There were plenty of opportunities where Floyd was standing square and Manny did nothing. I'm sorry but Pac has just as much to blame about it being a boring fight if not more.

 

[Froli]

Yes. Because the majority of people who bought into this fight were avid boxing fans.

Instead of trying to defend how boring boxing is, why not acknowledge the layman don't find it entertaining and find ways to make it entertaining.

Y'all acting like every one's a Manny fan and are crying their eyes out like they just got dumped. No. They're saying the fight was physically boring and every one seems to blame Mayweather with his hugging and just running around the skirts of the ring.

Agreed.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

If Manny couldn't find a way to takedown Floyd's game than that's on him. There were plenty of opportunities where Floyd was standing square and Manny did nothing. I'm sorry but Pac has just as much to blame about it being a boring fight if not more.

And people would call it a boring match if Pac won the point game. Y'all act as if people are only saying this because Mayweather won. The match was boring. People really are trying to find reasons to not accept that.

 

[lupinko]

Anyway this fight was basically what Oscar said could happen, and it did just that.

I dunno I guess Amir Khan and call it a career?

 

[Syphon Filter]

And people would call it a boring match if Pac won the point game. Y'all act as if people are only saying this because Mayweather won. The match was boring. People really are trying to find reasons to not accept that.

crying wont change the outcome.no one invited people who know nothing to watch.

 

[ISOM]

And people would call it a boring match if Pac won the point game. Y'all act as if people are only saying this because Mayweather won. The match was boring. People really are trying to find reasons to not accept that.

You seem to be missing my point. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a boring fight. I'm saying that Pac is a huge reason why it was a boring fight to many people. Whether it's because he's not good enough of a fighter compared to Floyd or that he was too cautious. But he himself played right into Floyd's game and he should be having a lot more blame for how the fight turned out.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

crying wont change the outcome.no one invited people who know nothing to watch.

Yes. High levels of marketing and billing it as "The Fight of the Century" didn't increase the hype. Nope. They weren't targeting non-boxing fans at all with their marketing. When you think to yourself, "Why don't people follow boxing anymore?" you can cite this thread as one of many reasons why.

You seem to be missing my point. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a boring fight. I'm saying that Pac is a huge reason why it was a boring fight to many people. Whether it's because he's not good enough of a fighter compared to Floyd or that he was too cautious. But he himself played right into Floyd's game and he should be having a lot more blame for how the fight turned out.

I do see what you're saying but instead of just saying the fight was boring you had to get a way to get a jab at Pac like it actually matters.

 

[Jest Chillin]

crying wont change the outcome.no one invited people who know nothing to watch.

This is seriously one of the silliest comments tonight.

Where exactly do you think the lionshare of the money earned by this fight came from? Where do you think the lionshare of Mayweathers income in every fight comes from?

Stop with this nonsense.

 

[Froli]

If Manny couldn't find a way to takedown Floyd's game than that's on him. There were plenty of opportunities where Floyd was standing square and Manny did nothing. I'm sorry but Pac has just as much to blame about it being a boring fight if not more.

Nah, I'm convinced Floyd's style is unbeatable. Counter punch, Speed/evasion, Shoulder roll defense, Combo breaker via tactical Hugging lol.

How the fuck do you break that. It looks very boring as hell, but it's the ultimate defense.

 

[BadAss2961]

People criticizing Floyd should be really criticizing Pac since he's the one who didn't bring the fight to Floyd and instead got baited into his game. Pac Stans all said that this wouldn't happen yet it did. If anyone should be blamed for a boring fight it's him not Floyd. You should know what you're getting from Floyd at this point.

Exactly.

Manny was completely neutralized by Floyd, which was an outcome I expected to an extent. But what really surprised me was how Floyd actually took the fight out of him by the late rounds. Pac didn't go all out the way he was expected to. He just looked happy to be there, and happy to collect that paycheck. The fact that he wasn't devastated by the loss at all speaks volumes.

He's the action fighter, yet somehow he managed to be outworked by Mayweather.

 

[perineumlick]

Yes. Because the majority of people who bought into this fight were avid boxing fans.

Instead of trying to defend how boring boxing is, why not acknowledge the layman don't find it entertaining and find ways to make it entertaining.

Y'all acting like every one's a Manny fan and are crying their eyes out like they just got dumped. No. They're saying the fight was physically boring and every one seems to blame Mayweather with his hugging and just running around the skirts of the ring. Just accept people don't find that particular way of fighting entertaining.

You make a blanket statement about how boxing is boring; it's like Matthysse/Provodnikov didn't just recently happen.

 

[SkoomaSuckinSwit]

The fight I saw, Pac was bringing it, actually fighting. Man looked like a ferocious relentless little ankle biter most of the time.
His opponent was sitting back, hugging, fleeing, throwing what seemed like half as many punches (which were mostly gauging jabs.) Thought May was saving his gas, feeling out Pac until later in the fight when he would unload on him. Never happened.

How May won, I have no idea.
Maybe because this was "boxing" and not fighting.

 

[Syphon Filter]

This is seriously one of the silliest comments tonight.

Where exactly do you think the lionshare of the money earned by this fight came from? Where do you think the lionshare of Mayweathers income in every fight comes from?

Stop with this nonsense.

by now people should know what to expect from a floyd fight.

 

[ISOM]

Yes. High levels of marketing and billing it as "The Fight of the Century" didn't increase the hype. Nope. They weren't targeting non-boxing fans at all with their marketing. When you think to yourself, "Why don't people follow boxing anymore?" you can cite this thread as one of many reasons why.



I do see what you're saying but instead of just saying the fight was boring you had to get a way to get a jab at Pac like it actually matters.

This is nothing about throwing a jab at Pac. I just see a lot of people blaming Floyd when in reality Pac deserves more of the blame imo.

 

[Phat Michael]

i love those floyd highlights. He seems to see time slower than regular people and reacts accordingly.

 

[Chichikov]

I always bring up videos of him dodging punches though. His reaction speed and ability to dissect what a fighter is doing and going to do is ridiculous.

I could watch shit like this all day:

You know, I had all this condescending sweet science post written up and I decided to delete it.
Like, I get it, and let's be honest here, if I need to recommend a great fight, I'll put a Hagler Hearns above this (like, duh) but fuck me, PBF, a 38 years old man put some defensive clinic tonight.
That's some Remo Williams bullshit right there.

 

[perineumlick]

The fight I saw, Pac was bringing it, actually fighting. Man looked like a ferocious relentless little ankle biter most of the time.
His opponent was sitting back, hugging, fleeing, throwing what seemed like half as many punches (which were mostly gauging jabs.) Thought May was saving his gas, feeling out Pac until later in the fight when he would unload on him. Never happened.

How May won, I have no idea.
Maybe because this was "boxing" and not fighting.

I am truly convinced that most people see what they want to see. This is a laughable statement, especially with Pac landing only 81 punches in the fight to Floyd's 148.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

This is nothing about throwing a jab at Pac. I just see a lot of people blaming Floyd when in reality Pac deserves more of the blame imo.

"In reality"? We have boxing experts in this thread making snarky comments like, "What were you expecting with a Floyd Mayweather fight?" Quite polarizing from what the layman are saying, "That was boring."

Most of the snark directed at Floyd is because he is a big asshole outside the ring so people viewed him as the enemy. Why do you think there's been domestic violence jokes here? On Twitter? And asked about in interviews?

Just how it is. Public perception sells. Celebrities even found it boring.

Both made bank and left winners in the end. The real losers are the ones who fell for it (me included).

 

[Lazyslob]

you can post all the floyd dodging highlights all you want. it doesnt make him an exciting fighter

 

[Jest Chillin]

by now people should know what to expect from a floyd fight.



you rea

A good portion of the people who buy Floyd's fights don't know what to expect. That's the whole reason they buy the fights. Floyd sells his image to them more than anyone else. There's a reason why he's the only fighter who gets this astronomical buys in boxing.

So to say "no one invited people who no nothing to watch" is honestly a ridiculous statement to make. Fighters DREAM of getting this amount of "people who nothing" to watch them let alone buy a PPV they headline.

 

[BlackClouds]

If Klitscko was black, he'd have a lot more fans.

Correction, if Klitschko was American, he'd be on the cover of Time.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

It's such an odd thought process to reconcile the notion that a fighter who boxes to not get hit and land enough hits to win rounds is this all time great fighter. I mean, we need to really look at his career.

He is a guy that carefully selected who he fought, when he fought them, and the exact conditions the fight took place in. He played mind games with guys. He would use cheap tactics, or gamesmanship like not approving Pacq's gloves until midnight before the fight. He dodged the biggest competitor whenever he was at his best, and instead made excuses until said fighter was older, not nearly as interested in boxing, and so on.

He started the fight grabbing constantly, anytime he was even slightly at risk of maybe being touched. He straight up ran a good portion of the first 6-7 rounds.

That to me isn't one of the all time great boxers. But still, he is a genius fighter. Exceptional defense. He hasn't lost. He probably won't.

When Ali fought George Foremen, he knew he was taking a crazy risk (something Floyd has never done). So he was smart, like Floyd. He trained in Africa for two months, getting acclimated to the weather. He focused on strengthening his midsection. He danced around the ring. He let George tire himself out by punching Ali's midsection. He did a lot of things Floyd did - the difference was stepping into the ring was already a big risk, and after he tired George out e actually attacked. He finished the fight.

That's the fundamental difference between Floyd and any other boxer I've seen. Great defensive fights and elusive fighters might dance and duck and dodge; but eventually they look for an opening. Floyd doesn't really look for an opening.

Floyd dodges and punches enough to win rounds. His skill, boxing intelligence and quickness allow him to execute that gameplay flawlessly. I understand that.

But I just can't consider him an all time great. He didn't have the true rivals like other greats. He didn't take risks like other greats.

I understand the technical skill he has. But it just doesn't feel right saying he is one of the best ever. I dunno. It's strange.

 

[perineumlick]

you can post all the floyd dodging highlights all you want. it doesnt make him an exciting fighter

Okay.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Correction, if Klitschko was American, he'd be on the cover of Time.

That too.

 

[VARIA]

I have been spoiled by Mexican boxers.

My favorite fight is probably Barrera vs, Morales I.

Just a balls out slug fest that was super entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sDjJMsalPM

 

[Lazyslob]

Okay.

nice input

 

[IrishNinja]

i dont think that will happen. mayweather will never go down as a legend. he wants to but his chickenshit style wont let it happen

casuals out in force tonight eh

Yes. Because the majority of people who bought into this fight were avid boxing fans.

Instead of trying to defend how boring boxing is, why not acknowledge the layman don't find it entertaining and find ways to make it entertaining.

Y'all acting like every one's a Manny fan and are crying their eyes out like they just got dumped. No. They're saying the fight was physically boring and every one seems to blame Mayweather with his hugging and just running around the skirts of the ring. Just accept people don't find that particular way of fighting entertaining.

already covered this:

Why doesn't Mayweather take unnecessary head trauma for my entertainment

some of ya'll wanted Rocky IV...go watch Rocky IV

 

[BadAss2961]

It's such an odd thought process to reconcile the notion that a fighter who boxes to not get hit and land enough hits to win rounds is this all time great fighter. I mean, we need to really look at his career.

He is a guy that carefully selected who he fought, when he fought them, and the exact conditions the fight took place in. He played mind games with guys. He would use cheap tactics, or gamesmanship like not approving Pacq's gloves until midnight before the fight. He dodged the biggest competitor whenever he was at his best, and instead made excuses until said fighter was older, not nearly as interested in boxing, and so on.

He started the fight grabbing constantly, anytime he was even slightly at risk of maybe being touched. He straight up ran a good portion of the first 6-7 rounds.

That to me isn't one of the all time great boxers. But still, he is a genius fighter. Exceptional defense. He hasn't lost. He probably won't.

When Ali fought George Foremen, he knew he was taking a crazy risk (something Floyd has never done). So he was smart, like Floyd. He trained in Africa for two months, getting acclimated to the weather. He focused on strengthening his midsection. He danced around the ring. He let George tire himself out by punching Ali's midsection. He did a lot of things Floyd did - the difference was stepping into the ring was already a big risk, and after he tired George out e actually attacked. He finished the fight.

That's the fundamental difference between Floyd and any other boxer I've seen. Great defensive fights and elusive fighters might dance and duck and dodge; but eventually they look for an opening. Floyd doesn't really look for an opening.

Floyd dodges and punches enough to win rounds. His skill, boxing intelligence and quickness allow him to execute that gameplay flawlessly. I understand that.

But I just can't consider him an all time great. He didn't have the true rivals like other greats. He didn't take risks like other greats.

I understand the technical skill he has. But it just doesn't feel right saying he is one of the best ever. I dunno. It's strange.

Do you know what boxing is?

Floyd doesn't have any rivals because he's beaten everyone he's ever been in the ring with... Convincingly.

I also like how Manny Pacquiao went from being the guy that was gonna destroy Floyd to "not even a risk." lol

 

[Lebron]

you can post all the floyd dodging highlights all you want. it doesnt make him an exciting fighter

I applaud you throwing out all the troll attempts. They at least seem to be connecting more than Manny's punches.

 

[Lazyslob]

casuals out in force tonight eh

try a better angle than this tired casual stuff. ive been doing jiu jitsu for a while and i dont like watching JJ tournaments because i think they are boring as shit. i hate watching most grappling matches in mma because i think they are boring. it doesnt take an expert of boxing to realize mayweather is a boring fighter

 

[illmatic22]

I have to admit, I am swimming in the salt from the rabid Pac fans I know. They are coming up with all kinds of crazy reasons why Pac couldn't stop Floyd from out boxing him. I can just imagine the garbage I would read in here if I skimmed the last few pages lol.

It is a goldmine, this kind of salt can't even be delivered on the gaming side, as Lisa Simpson once remarked,

Nm num, good salt lick