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[Tripolygon]

It is beautiful when masterfully done

 

[Ether_Snake]

Not as pathetic as people who feel the need to stick up for someone like Mayweather because he's good at boxing.

I don't know anything about boxing, but this fight taught me that a LOT of people are able to support an awful person and completely ignore reality. Bummer.

No, what's pathetic is how people who don't like a sport will watch it to see the guy lose, because they don't like him, and then complain about people saying he was the better player in the game by saying they shouldn't like him.

It is beautiful when masterfully done

Posted before, but Floyd does this every match.

 

[NervousXtian]

Because they made the mistake of thinking that Boxing is not a strategy-based sport that requires finesse and critical thinking, and that it's just supposed to be two fighters bludgeoning each other over the head for 12 rounds or until a knockout.

Because they think this shit is Rocky or hajime no ippo or something.

Floyd also knows how to throw hard punches, did it a plenty in his career, he just doesn't have to anymore at the level of boxing he reached. Why take unnecessary risks when you're winning? It's not charity.

Part of it is that he has bad hands, he broke them multiple times when he was younger and they don't hold up well in fights now.. he's fought that way for awhile now.. non-committal to land hard shots with his right for fear of breaking it again.. he only really commits when he knows it's gonna be clean or gonna hurt the other guy.

He never was truly a power puncher, but he has considerably more power than he shows as of late.. he just doesn't commit to it from fear of hurting those fragile hands.

It is what it is.

 

[Dr.Acula]

I remember people complaining all the time about Tyson, that no one could make it past the 2nd round, and that it was a waste of money watching quick knockouts. Tyson is fucking awesome watching a 10 minute montage on youtube, but in the late 80s PPV era, people complained about Tyson a lot.

 

[17 Seconds]

No, what's pathetic is how people who don't like a sport will watch it to see the guy lose, because they don't like him, and then complain that people say he was the better player in the game by saying they shouldn't like him.

It's not about "liking" him, it's about realizing he's a legitimate monster, and people who watch this shit support him.

Couldn't have cared less who won, I'm just kind of shocked to skim through this thread and see how many people actually are still willing to root for this guy.

So yeah, I'm confident saying that people who root for him are way worse than "casuals" who say stupid things about the sport.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I mean this is what mayweather does. He turtles for 90 seconds then wins the Street Fighter match on chip damage.

It's smart boxing, absolutely. But it's boring and not entertaining.

But once again...this is mayweather. He's extremely good at forcing fighters to fight his way.

There's a reason he waited years to fight Pac...

 

[RandyBobandy]

It's not about "liking" him, it's about realizing he's a legitimate monster, and people who watch this shit support him.

Couldn't have cared less who won, I'm just kind of shocked to skim through this thread and see how many people actually are still willing to root for this guy.

So yeah, I'm confident saying that people who root for him are way worse than "casuals" who say stupid things about the sport.

If you don't care who won or the fight it sounds like you're in the wrong thread

 

[Can Crusher]

Mayweather fights like a shrewd businessman, people want to see gamblers in the ring.

 

[nib95]

He never was truly a power puncher, but he has considerably more power than he shows as of late.. he just doesn't commit to it from fear of hurting those fragile hands.

It is what it is.

I don't think that's what it is at all. I think he knows that if he goes for too many of those big power punches and lunges, he leaves himself open for some big counters himself. Manny was actually trying to goad May in to doing exactly that, and some of the biggest hits May took were counter punches. It's just much less risky for him to play slippery and tepid. Easy points, less risk.

 

[royalan]

It's not about "liking" him, it's about realizing he's a legitimate monster, and people who watch this shit support him.

Couldn't have cared less who won, I'm just kind of shocked to skim through this thread and see how many people actually are still willing to root for this guy.

So yeah, I'm confident saying that people who root for him are way worse than "casuals" who say stupid things about the sport.

Nobody is rooting for Mayweather's personal life. We're talking about his skills as a boxer in the context of a boxing match. I don't see how this is confusing.

And if you tuned in to that match, then you're just as guilty as the rest of us in "supporting" him.

 

[_illmatic_]

Not as pathetic as people who feel the need to stick up for someone like Mayweather because he's good at boxing.

I don't know anything about boxing, but this fight taught me that a LOT of people are able to support an awful person and completely ignore reality. Bummer.

What the fuck does this even mean? LMAO
Boohoo the bad man won. People also been supporting him for his last 10 fights from when the charges were filed. Oh that's right, you didn't care about his personal history until the super fight hype peaked your interest. Please take your soap box and go home. Nobody fucking cares.

If thats true then Freddie screwed his fighter over. Manny was never going to beat Floyd via decision. He's not a jabber, he's a power puncher and has always been an aggressive fighter. He used to destroy guys with his power. Maidana forced Floyd to have to actually WORK for that win. Imagine what a younger, stronger Pacquiao would've done.

I highly doubt the plan was to try to beat him via UD. Now we see all that talk about having the blueprint to beat Mayweather was bullshit. You can watch videos and think you can time him but its different in the ring. I just think Mayweather was too smart for him. Styles make fights and 5 years ago Mayweather would've been faster, stronger and STILL more accurate. But hey, we can all dream can't we?

 

[stn]

I can't stand Floyd, there's not a single more self-absorbed celebrity out there. I assume he's going to upload another 200 videos of him counting, depositing, and throwing money around, lol. Money May do what it do, baby.

Ugh.

 

[Zips]

Outcome seemed obvious from round 1, and even just from the little info given about both boxers before the fight started in those fluff padding videos. And I don't watch boxing at all.

 

[Shamrock7r]

Floyd Mayweather's Punch Out!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCVhyrgWSBY

 

[Kill3r7]

If thats true then Freddie screwed his fighter over. Manny was never going to beat Floyd via decision. He's not a jabber, he's a power puncher and has always been an aggressive fighter. He used to destroy guys with his power. Maidana forced Floyd to have to actually WORK for that win. Imagine what a younger, stronger Pacquiao would've done.

Roach abandoned that strategy after the Marquez fight/knockout. IMO, the plan was to be aggressive while not being sloppy and leaving yourself open. Floyd is just too damn fast to hit him with power without exposing your self to a counter. Plus that jab kept MP at bay all night long. Anytime MP got inside he either whiffed or was hugged. He nailed Floyd in round 4 but that was it.

 

[harSon]

He's fucking old as shit now, and he lost his power. He's at the crafty old veteran phase of his career right now, but is talented enough where there's still a big enough gulf between that and the competition to work. People obviously never watched Floyd in his prime, because he used to effortlessly switch between defensive counter punching and offensive flurries. Watch some of his old matches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04...d=kK9en6g9JTQ&annotation_id=annotation_765180

 

[Tripolygon]

Posted before, but Floyd does this every match.

Dude is good. There is nothing more soul crushing than your opponent "effortlessly" dodging your best shots. Makes you try harder and therefore opening you up for some serious mistakes and counters that would drop you to the ground. It is a masterful strategy that not many boxers can do.

 

[Crisco]

Like, Floyd's a dickbag but i don't understand people getting mad at him for figuring out a way to win boxing matches without getting his face bashed in. Isn't that sort of the point? It's the parameters of the competition itself that makes it boring, not the competitor.

 

[notworksafe]

Mayweather fights like a shrewd businessman, people want to see gamblers in the ring.

Basically. Millenials who know nothing about boxing other than clips of Tyson on Youtube expected this fight to be like those clips. After it wasn't they declared boxing dead and said they weren't ever going to watch again, when they probably never paid a cent into the PPV anyway.

 

[Heel]

Holy shit, you're delusional. Even I can make a fight look "professional" by your standards.

Dodging back and ducking is not some "artistry", it's safety fighting. And anyone can do that.

Boxing is about outsmarting your opponent and putting the hurt on them.

People idolizing Mayweather for his overprotective turtle style have made the sport a fucking bore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkodTydUR0E

 

[rambis]

I mean this is what mayweather does. He turtles for 90 seconds then wins the Street Fighter match on chip damage.

It's smart boxing, absolutely. But it's boring and not entertaining.

But once again...this is mayweather. He's extremely good at forcing fighters to fight his way.

There's a reason he waited years to fight Pac...

Yep, Floyd had to wait till PAC was old and shriveled to finally fight em.

Mayweather- born February 24, 1977

Pacquiao - born December 17, 1978

 

[GeordieMark]

That was Freddie's game plan. NOT to do what he typically does. NOT to just rush in and get counter with a powerful right straight. If the fight would've happened years ago, it would've been the same outcome, Floyd style of fight dictactes the fight and he hits without being hit. Plan and simple.

I think Tyson made a very good point when he said that everyone has a game plan. Until he punched them in the face.

People need to understand that Floyd might not be a KO machine, but he hits hard enough, and more importantly accurately and often enough, that anyone who tries to impose themselves on him gets a swift and painful reply. He makes fighters much more wary about throwing punches, because of what comes back when they do.

 

[harSon]

People seem to forget that Floyd is 38 fucking years old. Floyd used to stand toe to toe with boxers and fuck them up, all the while never being touched. But he's fucking old now, and had to adapt to the realities of an aging body. All the greats in the sport succumbed to Father Time, and declined, long before the age of 38 for most. The fact that there's still this big a gulf between Mayweather and the competition, despite the fact that he's closing in on 40, is a testament to his hard work, physical gifts and boxing knowledge.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Floyd "MONEY" mayweather

 

[HiResDes]

People seem to forget that Floyd is 38 fucking years old. Floyd used to stand toe to toe with boxers and fuck them up, all the while never being touched. But he's fucking old now, and had to adapt to the realities of an aging body. All the greats in the sport succumbed to Father Time, and declined, long before the age of 38 for most. The fact that there's still this big a gulf between Mayweather and the competition, despite the fact that he's closing in on 40, is a testament to his hard work, physical gifts and boxing knowledge.

Well said, still can't believe the poll was actually in favor of Pac...LOL

 

[NervousXtian]

I don't think that's what it is at all. I think he knows that if he goes for too many of those big power punches and lunges, he leaves himself open for some big counters himself. Manny was actually trying to goad May in to doing exactly that, and some of the biggest hits May took were counter punches. It's just much less risky for him to play slippery and tepid. Easy points, less risk.

Well, if you haven't followed his career, then maybe you'd think that.. but it's a fact that he has bad hands.. that he protects them.

There's some truth to his not wanting to be set-up for counters, but there's also a lack of risk on his punches.. he's scared of hitting elbows or foreheads.. his hands are fragile.

 

[_illmatic_]

Well said, still can't believe the poll was actually in favor of Pac...LOL

Anybody with a Twitter account could vote. Lol. My homie said 68% of the people watching this fight don't know shit about boxing lol

 

[Wynnebeck]

Watching the Marquez fight and then this fight actually has me impressed that Mayweather can still lands those counters at his age. He bopped Pac several times with he right as he approached. I'm shocked his corner didn't tel him to throw some punches at angles and not head on.

 

[Heel]

Mayweather adapted to saving his hands more so than his age. They're notoriously brittle.

 

[Chamber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkodTydUR0E

Pull back, friend. Don't go too hard in the paint.

 

[nib95]

Basically. Millenials who know nothing about boxing other than clips of Tyson on Youtube expected this fight to be like those clips. After it wasn't they declared boxing dead and said they weren't ever going to watch again, when they probably never paid a cent into the PPV anyway.

As a huge boxing fan, and someone who used to take up boxing in my younger days, I have to say, some of you sound unbelievably condescending and arrogant, ironic that you should be Mayweather fans. It's not about people not understanding boxing, or being millennials, casuals or whatever other slighted insults you can come up with. It's not about them expecting the fight to be like those clips either, it's about them wanting a more exciting fight, two very different things.

As I said before, I predicted a 12 round fight won by May in points, and you could argue it was all a predictable outcome, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be miffed at getting a less entertaining match. At the end of the day, all it really exemplifies is that at this weight class, less exciting, defensive, evasive, turtling tactics, can be used to more successful effect than other strategy's, and that says more about the parameters and rules of the sport than it does anything else.

It's a bit like in F1 when certain manufacturers have engine dominance. Yes the result is to be expected, doesn't people aren't within their rights to complain about the lack of entertainment factor either way.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

I think Tyson made a very good point when he said that everyone has a game plan. Until he punched them in the face.

People need to understand that Floyd might not be a KO machine, but he hits hard enough, and more importantly accurately and often enough, that anyone who tries to impose themselves on him gets a swift and painful reply. He makes fighters much more wary about throwing punches, because of what comes back when they do.

Exactly.

People assume that he fights like a scared wuss because he isn't strong.

Floyd is frigging strong. Mentally and physically. He grew up in the boxing ring. He grew up punching and getting punched.

He isn't aggressive, but that doesn't mean he's weak. He's strong enough that not a single opponent he's faced has been able to have their way up close. His upper body strength leans down on and holds down his opponents arms when they get close and they can't do a thing. It tires them out.

Along with that, when his opponents feel the weight and consistency of his returns, it as a whole reduces inside fighters to outside boxers fighting a losing fight against a guy they NNEED to be fighting on the inside against.... but cant.....

 

[jmood88]

If it's that easy, why is Mayweather undefeated?

I mean, somebody should have been able to counter his style by now if it's that cheap and simple anyone could do it.

Seriously. It's not like this is his first handful of fights, he is 48 fights in and no one has been able to figure out how to beat him.

 

[Ether_Snake]

As a huge boxing fan, and someone who used to take up boxing in my younger days, I have to say, some of you sound unbelievably condescending and arrogant, ironic that you should be Mayweather fans. It's not about people not understanding boxing, or being millennials, casuals or whatever other slighted insults you can come up with. It's not about them expecting the fight to be like those clips either, it's about them wanting a more exciting fight, two very different things.

As I said before, I predicted a 12 round fight won by May in points, and you could argue it was all a predictable outcome, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be miffed at getting a less entertaining match. At the end of the day, all it really exemplifies is that at this weight class, less exciting, defensive, evasive, turtling tactics, can be used to more successful effect than other strategy's, and that says more about the parameters and rules of the sport than it does anything else.

It's a bit like in F1 when certain manufacturers have engine dominance. Yes the result is to be expected, doesn't people aren't within their rights to complain about the lack of entertainment factor either way.

People can say it was a disappointing match, but they can only blame Pac, not Floyd, which is why this is really a lot of misplaced anger and the comments are right. People watched to see Floyd lose, and they don't understand boxing. There's nothing to blame Floyd about, at all really.

 

[Days like these...]

I've been watching boxing since I was a kid. I remember (Roberto Duran, JCC, etc.) I honestly thought Manny would win. I'll have my crow now but let's not pretend there weren't Floyd fans claiming he'd 'destroy' Manny. The only thing destroyed were our hopes for a non boring mayweather bout.

 

[charsace]

For the last damn time.

Floyd fights like a scared bitch who cant punch hard enough for the KO but the truth is many a time he is the stronger man in the fight. That's the biggest deception he always pulls off that gets people actually believing he's going to accept a fight against someone he thinks can knock him out.

Its all well and good saying Pacquiao needs to rush him and pressure him, but when Pacquiao gets close enough to punch and feels floyds weight pushing him downwards, pushing him backwards, spinning him around and theres nothing he can about it because he is WEAKER, what can he do?

When he fires off combos and he doesn't even have enough power to break Floyd guard via accumulation of punches, but Floyd punches really hurt him and he realizes he can't actually rough house Floyd at all, what does he do?

Try to box, because that's his only option. And obviously Floyd will use his height and reach to win that fight too.

Floyd was just way too big for Pacquiao. Just looking at PACs upper body, there was nothing there.

Its like asking a fast skinny quarterback to rough up a big defensive line man who can just grapple you and maneuver you exactly where he wants to because he has the size and strength advantage...... how is he supposed to do that exactly?

What you're saying makes no sense. He fought Canelo who is younger, bigger, stronger, and hits like a fucking truck.

 

[params7]

All those complaining about how the match was not entertaining should stick with WWE and other forms of scripted entertainment. I'd like boxing to remain real.

 

[rambis]

As a huge boxing fan, and someone who used to take up boxing in my younger days, I have to say, some of you sound unbelievably condescending and arrogant, ironic that you should be Mayweather fans. It's not about people not understanding boxing, or being millennials, casuals or whatever other slighted insults you can come up with. It's not about them expecting the fight to be like those clips either, it's about them wanting a more exciting fight, two very different things.

As I said before, I predicted a 12 round fight won by May in points, and you could argue it was all a predictable outcome, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be miffed at getting a less entertaining match. At the end of the day, all it really exemplifies is that at this weight class, less exciting, defensive, evasive, turtling tactics, can be used to more successful effect than other strategy's, and that says more about the parameters and rules of the sport than it does anything else.

It's a bit like in F1 when certain manufacturers have engine dominance. Yes the result is to be expected, doesn't people aren't within their rights to complain about the lack of entertainment factor either way.

I think the point is; if you know what to expect from an entertainment event and you choose to partake anyway, you are the one to blame that you were disappointed by something you could have knowingly avoided.


Its like somebody complaining about being paralyzed after they decided to jump off a cliff.

 

[notworksafe]

As a huge boxing fan, and someone who used to take up boxing in my younger days, I have to say, some of you sound unbelievably condescending and arrogant, ironic that you should be Mayweather fans. It's not about people not understanding boxing, or being millennials, casuals or whatever other slighted insults you can come up with. It's not about them expecting the fight to be like those clips either, it's about them wanting a more exciting fight, two very different things.

As I said before, I predicted a 12 round fight won by May in points, and you could argue it was all a predictable outcome, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be miffed at getting a less entertaining match. At the end of the day, all it really exemplifies is that at this weight class, less exciting, defensive, evasive, turtling tactics, can be used to more successful effect than other strategy's, and that says more about the parameters and rules of the sport than it does anything else.

It's a bit like in F1 when certain manufacturers have engine dominance. Yes the result is to be expected, doesn't people aren't within their rights to complain about the lack of entertainment factor either way.

People can be miffed at whatever they want, I don't care.

But you don't go into a fight at this class where everyone is predicting a Mayweather win by points and complain you didn't get a Heavyweight style match with a big KO at the end. They went in expecting something that was never going to happen and then complained when they didn't get it.

 

[NervousXtian]

I've been watching boxing since I was a kid. I remember (Roberto Duran, JCC, etc.) I honestly thought Manny would win. I'll have my crow now but let's not pretend there weren't Floyd fans claiming he'd 'destroy' Manny. The only thing destroyed were our hopes for a non boring mayweather bout.

There's been plenty of those through the years though.

Cotto, Ortiz, Marquez, Hatton, Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, Corley, Castillo 1&2, Chavez, Hernandez, Corrales, Augustus, Manfredy.. and many more.

Unless your criteria is Mayweather loss = not boring.. then you're full of it.

 

[Days like these...]

All those complaining about how the match was not entertaining should stick with WWE and other forms of scripted entertainment. I'd like boxing to remain real.

So I guess all those old school boxers Hearns, Hagler, Duran, JCC weren't 'real'?

Boring fighter remains boring news at 11.

 

[_illmatic_]

As a huge boxing fan, and someone who used to take up boxing in my younger days, I have to say, some of you sound unbelievably condescending and arrogant, ironic that you should be Mayweather fans. It's not about people not understanding boxing, or being millennials, casuals or whatever other slighted insults you can come up with. It's not about them expecting the fight to be like those clips either, it's about them wanting a more exciting fight, two very different things.

As I said before, I predicted a 12 round fight won by May in points, and you could argue it was all a predictable outcome, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to be miffed at getting a less entertaining match. At the end of the day, all it really exemplifies is that at this weight class, less exciting, defensive, evasive, turtling tactics, can be used to more successful effect than other strategy's, and that says more about the parameters and rules of the sport than it does anything else.

It's a bit like in F1 when certain manufacturers have engine dominance. Yes the result is to be expected, doesn't people aren't within their rights to complain about the lack of entertainment factor either way.

It kinda goes both ways. I too enjoy boxing and I used to boxing growing up. Most people stinking up this thread about boring, he's an evil person etc. don't even really watch boxing as a whole. There are plenty of championship boxing matches on CBS that are amazing, eventful filled fights. So just once or twice a year when Manny and Money fight you have all these experts with a voice on social media claiming that it sucks, boxing dead, or a million excuses/reasons as to why something happened in the ring and none of that shit makes sense.

Just gets kinda old......

 

[freenudemacusers]

Seriously. It's not like this is his first handful of fights, he is 48 fights in and no one has been able to figure out how to beat him.

probably because other high-level practitioners of the art fight with honor, humility and integrity, and simply refuse to engage in floyd's underhanded thug tactics and want to keep the sport pure of his influence, not only for future generations, but for the fans as well.

 

[Lebron]

I think the point is; if you know what to expect from an entertainment event and you choose to partake anyway, you are the one to blame that you were disappointed by something you could have knowingly avoided.


Its like somebody complaining about being paralyzed after they decided to jump off a cliff.

It's literally the definition of insanity.

 

[Heel]

For the last damn time.

Floyd fights like a scared bitch who cant punch hard enough for the KO but the truth is many a time he is the stronger man in the fight. That's the biggest deception he always pulls off that gets people actually believing he's going to accept a fight against someone he thinks can knock him out.

Its all well and good saying Pacquiao needs to rush him and pressure him, but when Pacquiao gets close enough to punch and feels floyds weight pushing him downwards, pushing him backwards, spinning him around and theres nothing he can about it because he is WEAKER, what can he do?

When he fires off combos and he doesn't even have enough power to break Floyd guard via accumulation of punches, but Floyd punches really hurt him and he realizes he can't actually rough house Floyd at all, what does he do?

Try to box, because that's his only option. And obviously Floyd will use his height and reach to win that fight too.

Floyd was just way too big for Pacquiao. Just looking at PACs upper body, there was nothing there.

Its like asking a fast skinny quarterback to rough up a big defensive line man who can just grapple you and maneuver you exactly where he wants to because he has the size and strength advantage...... how is he supposed to do that exactly?

Pacquiao made a career on beating bigger guys. It doesn't get to be the convenient excuse now that he got outboxed and is holding that L to his chest.

 

[params7]

So I guess all those old school boxers Hearns, Hagler, Duran, JCC weren't 'real'?

Boring fighter remains boring news at 11.

Not everybody has to play aggressively. Mayweather boxes to win matches in the end not to put up a show or play for drama value. He's as real as any other boxer.

 

[_illmatic_]

What you're saying makes no sense. He fought Canelo who is younger, bigger, stronger, and hits like a fucking truck.

Now Pacquiao is too small......

probably because other high-level practitioners of the art fight with honor, humility and integrity, and simply refuse to engage in floyd's underhanded thug tactics and want to keep the sport pure of his influence, not only for future generations, but for the fans as well.

 

[thequestion]

Mayweather owned this fight and made Manny look like a small child. First time I've seen Mayweather fight and I was quite impressed with his skill. It's unfortunate he uses this same skill to beat up on woman.

Mayweather IS the face of the sport of boxing. He'll get his 49 - 0, and will go down in history as one of the greatest fighters this world has ever seen.

Congratulations Floyd, you played the game of life successfully - You won!

 

[juliushandle]

Glad people are giving Max Kellerman shit. He acted like Pac was the first fighter ever to believe he had won a fight when he actually lost.

 

[Laconic]

Pacquiao made a career on beating bigger guys. It doesn't get to be the convenient excuse now that he got outboxed and is holding that L to his chest.

I do not see it as an excuse.

I see it as a logical explanation of an inevitable outcome.