MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd

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Battersea Power Station said:
That's not correct at all. For an aggressive volume puncher like him to restrain himself and use so much caution took tremendous discipline. Unfortunately it was absolutely the wrong approach for fighting Mayweather; Manny couldn't feel he was losing the fight because he doesn't have the experience utilizing the low output style. Floyd was fantastic in his execution.
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lol
 
Anfang said:
Let me take you away to a magical land called japan and lets visit something called PFC

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dapfW9AkfsQ
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1:36 - 1:41: Holy shit...this guy's face got destroyed in the fight.
 
flkraven said:
Lol at the people complaining.

A) the decision was clear. Any boxing fan with half a brain knows Mayweather dominated this fight.

B) Manny knew exactly who he was fighting. He didn't follow through on the correct game plan.

C) this was a decent fight for fans of boxing. No knock out, no blood, but the technical side was a marvel to watch and Floyd put on a fucking clinic

D) lol at the people saying fuck boxing and that the rules need to change. Lol @ reduced purse sizes for no knockout. Get the fuck out of here with that. This is entertainment. Do you watch any other sport with this mentality? In a defensive, low scoring hockey game do you complain that there shouldn't be offsides, the net should be 4 feet bigger, and players shouldn't be paid if there isn't atleast 1 fight?

Also, just read some news. Apparently Manny was injured before fight?
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I agree with this post. Great performance by Floyd.
 
Fbh said:
I guess it's like that tiki taka thing in football/soccer.
Effective but just boring to watch.

I don't know. Again, I know nothing about boxing and I don't really care about it. But for something called "the fight of the century" I was imagining something cooler than the winner to run around the whole time
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oh tiki taka lol

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harSon said:
Money is almost 40 years old - just saying. And all you're doing is proving that you don't know a thing about boxing. This post is the equivalent of saying that defense first football team is a disgrace to the sport. There's technical offensive boxers. Defensive counter punchers. Formless brawlers. Etc. It's a diverse sport and to say that Mayweather is a disgrace to boxing, simply because he's perfected his style to such a degree that he makes boxing look easy, is absolute horse shit.
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Bumhead said:
Given the amount of times that "low scoring games = boring" crops up in threads about football/soccer on NeoGAF, from a mostly American audience, this comment is pretty interesting.
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my analog: Neuer is the best player in the world imo, certainly by far the best of his position. Messi, who many argue is the GOAT, has failed to score against Neuer in their last three meetings and Messi's teams (Barca/Argentina) lost those matches by an aggregate score of 0-8. Neuer's teams went on to win the Champs Lge and World Cup. Yet nobody pays to see Neuer, everybody is there to see Messi. If you're introducing a newbie to football you would take him to and exhibition match and tell him to watch Messi not Neuer.

Mayweather is the equivalent of Neuer; technically brilliant but not who you want as the exhibition of your sport.

Obliterator said:
Also because the world of boxing has put so much damn emphasis on losses. Unless your 30 and 0 with at least 20 of those wins being against straight cans you suck.

Guys aren't better now really than they were in the 80s, in fact as a whole I think a lot of quality has dropped. Defense has improved maybe but offensive boxing is diving hard. Because people are so afraid of losing.

Go out there and try to fuck up your opponent. Tyson would go in there and try to tear through people and it was amazing.
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Loco4Coco said:
Boxing is not all about the KOs.
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Boxing should be about the KOs or at least knockdowns, that's what newbies fans want and pay to see. Nobody really gives a fuck about losses. Mayweather has a 48-0 record but only 26 KOs and he hasn't delivered one in years (Pac has 36 KOs but has also slacked off recently). Mayweather is an amazing technical defensive boxer for hardcore fans but as an entertainment value he should be in undercard fights at best at this age. No way should boxing fans have hyped this MayPac matchup as fight of the century.

Boxing world either needs to find a way to hype matches between fighters with recent strings of KOs or set up an official organization with regular tournaments with guaranteed matchups so the drama of the 'world baseball boxing series final' event covers up for the lack of entertainment of defensive boxers

malfcn said:
DLH ripping on Twitter.
Oscar De La Hoya @OscarDeLaHoya · 2m 2 minutes ago

Can't wait for some real action next week @Canelo vs @KOKirkland @HBOboxing
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Oscar De La Hoya @OscarDeLaHoya · 14m 14 minutes ago

Sorry boxing fans.
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Tom Penny said:
The casual consumer will never pay for a fight again after watching that fight. There was nothing exciting about it and that's not how you draw in a new audience and grow the sport. That did nothing to help boxing except for the people who got their pockets lined with big money.
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Was this your first Mayweather fight?
 
Tom Penny said:
The casual consumer will never pay for a fight again after watching that fight. There was nothing exciting about it and that's not how you draw in a new audience and grow the sport. That did nothing to help boxing except for the people who got their pockets lined with big money.
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The casual fan says this every time. Every. Single. Time.

Let me ask you. How do you think Mayweather became as rich as he has?

Also, you completely ignored all my points :-P
 
Tom Penny said:
The casual consumer will never pay for a fight again after watching that fight. There was nothing exciting about it and that's not how you draw in a new audience and grow the sport. That did nothing to help boxing except for the people who got their pockets lined with big money.
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People will buy in the next time there is any sort of compelling storyline and/or boxers involved. They always come back. Boxing is an acceptable spectacle for fulfilling their desire for violence and bloodlust, something that MMA has made strides in, but still does not capture as much mainstream interest.

As long as their is there is a chance for someone to get fucked up, and there is a story behind it, people will watch. Sure, they won't be able to charge the exorbitant prices they did this time, but it will still be worth it.
 
kinggroin said:
The casual fan says this every time. Every. Single. Time.

Let me ask you. How do you think Mayweather became as rich as he has?

Also, you completely ignored all my points :-P
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He has a point though.

If you tell the whole world that THIS is the pinnacle of boxing, casuals WILL be disappointed, because that isnt what casuals like to see.
 
Ether_Snake said:
For those who want to understand why Floyd wins all the time, watch this:

Master of Defense

10 Floyd Mayweather Boxing Tricks

Also, people who say Floyd is boring and just dodging and hugging, the guy got 26 KOs out of 48 fights, so stop with that.
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While I do praise Floyd for an excellent fight, it's worth noting that he's only had one legit KO since 2005, and that was vs Hatton in 07 when he dropped him into the corner post of the ring.

He's not a KO artist anymore... Nowhere near it. Still a beautiful artist in full flow, though.
 
entrement said:
I watch boxing and I can why see Floyd is boring to casual fans. It is what it is.
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I don't see any other spot where people keep talking about "casual fans" like it matters. If you're casual, you probably don't like the sport, so who cares? Too many people watch boxing just to see someone they don't like lose, not to watch the sport itself. But whatever, I still get my game and get to enjoy it.

Tenebrous said:
While I do praise Floyd for an excellent fight, it's worth noting that he's only had one legit KO since 2005, and that was vs Hatton in 07 when he dropped him into the corner post of the ring.

He's not a KO artist anymore... Nowhere near it. Still a beautiful artist in full flow, though.
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Cause he doesn't need to KO anyone, he got better and better, now it's a walk in the park. Blame the other fighters for not being up to par.
 
GrizzleBoy said:
He has a point though.

If you tell the whole world that THIS is the pinnacle of boxing, casuals WILL be disappointed, because that isnt what casuals like to see.
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I know what his point is. Read what I said.


No one is arguing about casual fans being disappointed. It happens nearly every Mayweather fight. MY counter point, was that its the same song and dance, but they come right back for each one of his fights. So shame on them for not catching on after 48 fights.


48.
20 years.


He isn't new to the scene.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I don't see any other spot where people keep talking about "casual fans" like it matters. If you're casual, you probably don't like the sport, so who cares? Too many people watch boxing just to see someone they don't like lose, not to watch the sport itself. But whatever, I still get my game and get to enjoy it.



Cause he doesn't need to KO anyone, he got better and better, now it's a walk in the park. Blame the other fighters for not being up to par.
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I do agree.

He's just another boxer who's ATG ranking might be hindered somewhat by his lack of legitimate competition, I agree. Kinda similar to Wlad - Although Wlad is nowhere near Floyd P4P, he's dominant reign is often seen as a joke because he's had no-one to really test him.

Still, Floyd is top 20 for me. Manny isn't too far behind, despite the loss.
 
The "casual fans don't find Floyd fun to watch" argument that's going on on ESPN and other outlet is really the oddest thing I've ever seen. Why should that matter when he's 48-0?


The Spurs are considered "boring" by casuals but they have won 5 titles and 15 years and I never hear anyone say they shouldn't be considered to have an all time great run because casuals don't like them


it's all really odd to see
 
Frank Serpico said:
The "casual fans don't find Floyd fun to watch" argument that's going on on ESPN and other outlet is really the oddest thing I've ever seen. Why should that matter when he's 48-0?


The Spurs are considered "boring" by casuals but they have won 5 titles and 15 years and I never hear anyone say they should be considered to have an all time great run because casuals don't like them


it's all really odd to see
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When you don't like someone or something, you create arguments to diminish that person's or thing's accomplishments. ESPN is in full narrative distribution and damage control mode.
 
BadAss2961 said:
It's very unlikely that Floyd made it that far unbeaten by not taking his opponents seriously. He got caught a couple times by Shane, a hall of famer. It happens... He had some tough moments against an awkward fighter that fights very ugly and unorthodox. It happens.

I'm not looking at stats on paper. I'm looking at the matchup, having seen both these guys fight dozens of times. What happened tonight was just a confirmation of what many who picked Floyd have been saying about this matchup for years.
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This is right on
 
http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-is-a-coward-1701842801

To watch Floyd Mayweather box is to witness an elaborate exercise in self-preservation. There’s not much passion. There’s certainly not much flair. There’s just Floyd moving around, doing his best to preserve a rote decision, and preserve the potential rematch, and preserve an unbeaten record that holds more historic value to him that it does anyone else. And yes, his style works, if only in the most cynical sense. Really, it’s the perfect boxing strategy for a man who is a documented wife-beater and shitbag: always doing just enough to get away with it.

The bedrock principle of this little site is that sports and morality have no connection at all. And I believe in that. But Floyd Mayweather is a near universally agreed-upon villain, and so it was hard to watch him dick around in the ring last night—turning what should have been a big fight into an extended sparring exercise—and not think, “Hey, that guy beats up women and fights like a fucking coward.” The art, in this case, is nearly impossible to separate from its creator. I know Floyd is a coward, and so I can’t help but thinking he fights the same way. Always ducking. Always running. The man will never pick a fight he knows he might lose.
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Frank Serpico said:
The "casual fans don't find Floyd fun to watch" argument that's going on on ESPN and other outlet is really the oddest thing I've ever seen. Why should that matter when he's 48-0?


The Spurs are considered "boring" by casuals but they have won 5 titles and 15 years and I never hear anyone say they shouldn't be considered to have an all time great run because casuals don't like them


it's all really odd to see
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The problem is that their weight class you're not gonna get a lot of power. Some speed but minimal power.

This is why the heavyweight division has historically been the marquee division in boxing.

It's also why Tyson was so exciting.

Personally, I'm bit tired of this weight class as well.
 
The salt in this thread is insane. Floyd dominated the majority of the fight. He threw more punches and landed more punches than Pac so how does it make any sense that Floyd doesn't deserve to win? Pac just didn't have a counter to what Floyd was doing and got beat because of it. I'll agree that Floyd's style is a bit boring, but this fight is an example of why Floyd is going to go down as one of the best fighters ever. His technique is just near flawless and as a boxing fan, I enjoyed watching him methodically take Pac out of the fight.
 
Don't know if this was posted, but Deadspin put out a great article today on Mayweather.

I should have known better. I should have known that the fight would suck. I have lived long enough to know that the whole point of spending $100 on a pay-per-view boxing match is so you can complain about spending $100 on a pay-per-view boxing match. There were people back in the day who used to bitch about Mike Tyson knocking out people too quickly, which seems like a groundless complaint now after watching Mayweather bore the world to death. Mike Tyson either knocked you out, or got knocked out trying. Floyd Mayweather is his diametric opposite.

Yes, he won the fight. He threw more punches and he landed more of them and he was the superior boxer, I guess. He won in the same way some neutral zone trap hockey team bleeds out another team. He clearly built his fighting style around with a calculated strategy of gaming the compubox system so that he gets credit for even the most cursory of punches. And he gets away with it because he always looks as if he can do more. It always feels like there’s some grand fusillade of punches in him that he never ends up having to deploy. He looks like he could unload if he ever felt like it, and so he gets an awful lot of credit for all the things he could do but is too shrewd to risk doing. The only time he ever goes on the offensive is when he’s fighting a woman.

To watch Floyd Mayweather box is to witness an elaborate exercise in self-preservation. There’s not much passion. There’s certainly not much flair. There’s just Floyd moving around, doing his best to preserve a rote decision, and preserve the potential rematch, and preserve an unbeaten record that holds more historic value to him that it does anyone else. And yes, his style works, if only in the most cynical sense. Really, it’s the perfect boxing strategy for a man who is a documented wife-beater and shitbag: always doing just enough to get away with it.

The bedrock principle of this little site is that sports and morality have no connection at all. And I believe in that. But Floyd Mayweather is a near universally agreed-upon villain, and so it was hard to watch him dick around in the ring last night—turning what should have been a big fight into an extended sparring exercise—and not think, “Hey, that guy beats up women and fights like a fucking coward.” The art, in this case, is nearly impossible to separate from its creator. I know Floyd is a coward, and so I can’t help but thinking he fights the same way. Always ducking. Always running. The man will never pick a fight he knows he might lose.
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http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-is-a-coward-1701842801

Edit: I replied without even reading the last page, this got posted right before I posted it, but it's worth keeping because its worth a read.
 
Ya'll had it wrong yesterday, it wasn't Mayweather who was legit shook - it was all these salty ass people. People acting like Floyd's abusing some glitch in a video game to get to 48-0 lmao. If it were as easy as holding and dancing, then he wouldn't be the only guy successfully doing it.
 
He literally just copied that from his wordpress site right?

Another person that wishes that boxers nowadays were more like Tyson, brainless animals set loose to destroy each other.
 
i like how everyone always gets mad at Floyd for the fights "sucking"

You know guys get 12 rounds with dude right? they don't have to get jabbed and countered all night. they can actually, I don't know, just keep rushing dude and gamble on either knocking out floyd or getting knocked out in the pursuit of that

but no, they just play the game, get outboxed, act tentative--etc.

get mad at the guys who know floyds strategy and aren't willing to take shots to break through that defense
 
Manny threw less punches than Floyd and landed a dramatically lower number.

For all the sucking that Mayweather apparently caused, Manny damn sure contributed as well.

People just seem to overlook that because his few flurries that did nothing looked cool.
 
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Dead spin Espn and many others come off kind of unprofessional imo. Very salty and fanboyish

You don't have to like him, but he did what any boxer should do. Hit and not get hit.

Just a difference in opinions. When I see someone throw a no hitter, I'm impressed. Some people would say it was boring because no one hit the ball.

And people need to stop with the he hit his wife crap. He did. If you think Manny is any better, do a google on him.
 
This panned out in basically the same way as every Mayweather fight in history. Pacquiao's offense made to look as ordinary as all the others who have had a go. Personally I don't particularly enjoy watching Mayweather fights but he has deserved to win all of them. Pacquiao-Marquez will be the rivalry that I remember most fondly from this era.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
He literally just copied that from his wordpress site right?

Another person that wishes that boxers nowadays were more like Tyson, brainless animals set loose to destroy each other.
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There is some middle ground between brainless(which Tyson wasn't) animals and fencing with gloves...
It's hard for me to get excited for welterweight fights anyways and this surely didn't help.


edit: The decision was clear and deserved but from an entertainment point of view it was underwhelming. Pacquiao really had no chance and didn't go for broke when he had to
 
GeordieMark said:
This is the dumbest analysis of a sporting event that I have ever read.

Floyd was class last night. Personally, I think his style is fascinating to watch.
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Same, the only disappointment in this fight was Pac. Most other Mayweather fights were better than this one, like the Maidana fight because at least that guy even if he was dirty tried to beat him. The Cotto fight, the Mosley fight, the Ortiz fight, they were all more fun. Yesterday, Pac looked like someone who quickly lost his confidence after two or three rounds.

Anyway, I don't care about all the arguing, I look forward to Floyd's next fight (hopefully against Khan), and other boxing matches. I prefer heavier weight classes personally, but I love watching Floyd fight.
 
Boring fighter has boring fight. It was the most predictable outcome. I spent hard earned dough on the Mayweather vs. De la Hoya fight years ago and vowed to never again. The hype to buy a Mayweather ppv is never real.
 
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