now you're just bashing Money fans.
Besides that "if everyone did x" argument is ridiculous in any context and you know it.
MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd
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now you're just bashing Money fans.
Besides that "if everyone did x" argument is ridiculous in any context and you know it.
Vicetrailia
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Then just be happy that Mayweather is unique.
At any given time there are appx. 150,000 members on Gaf and appx. 3 billions people in the world with internet. Can't fit the world in a stadium. It's NeoGaf.
They can't play Floyd's game though because Mayweather is the best.
Yeap. The points system rewards you for landing random nuisance jabs and sniping pot shots, but not for attempting lots of combos and flurries, unless the blows hit (which is tricky against evasive players). But more frustrating is how often grabs are allowed. Literally any time Mayweather is under pressure and can't back away, he'll immediately grab and hold, or push players down, and although this is to some extents allowed, it's a bit of a cheap tactic from a viewers and entertainment perspective.
_illmatic_
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Mayweather beats the best in his era, still not considered the best in his era. Logic.
Phat Michael
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My god I'd love to show Floyd this thread and just have him count out his $100+ million and mop up the tears.
The amount of salty Facebook posts I've seen are also hilarious. If it was a close fight I could see people being upset but it was absolute domination.
The amount of salty Facebook posts I've seen are also hilarious. If it was a close fight I could see people being upset but it was absolute domination.
Subpar Spatula
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No doubt it was a domination but this fight hasn't improved people's perception of boxing but most likely damaged it even more. Floyd may be counting stacks of cash but now he's the butt of Internet memes about hugging, hug his wife instead, "fight in the ring and not at home", etc. Being militant about defending boxing techniques or technical wins won't gain the sport any support either.
It's like people expected an entertaining fight when it was billed as "The Fight of the Century" by a man who declares himself "The Best Ever". Every one was played and Mayweather and Pacqiuo made off like bandits, now they're jokes memes and they showed many people what a boring sport boxing is when it's played at a technical level.
I think you're confusing "the best ever" with "my favorite ever". I view boxing as Sports Entertainment, but that doesn't cloud my view of pure talent like some people in this thread ("anyone can do that, even me!"). If your theoretical entertaining guy gets beat by Floyd, he's not as good at boxing. You don't have to like that, but that's a reality.
Can I understand why people who did zero legwork into what a Floyd Mayweather fight entails being frustrated that it wasn't Rocky 6? Sure, but just like S.A.S. in that video, I don't sympathize either. I knew what I was getting into.
I invite you to take the next step and find something you'd actually enjoy instead of taking this blanket "See, this is why I watch UFC and boxing is dead!" approach that's permeating the thread. A good example: You could've watched Matthysse/Provodnikov last week in which a dude peed black afterward. No one was expecting different.
Or just bask in ignorance and consider yourself an expert after watching one fight? That's your call.
FallingEdge
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Mayweather is "The Best Ever" because he wins. He doesn't have to be entertaining.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What about the part where you win.
I didn't read the comments, the thread is far too big by now, but I just want to give my opinion.
I'm by no means a boxing connoisseur, at all, but in my humble opinion the win should have gone to Manny. I don't blame him at all for the comments he made in the interview, he wasn't a dick or anything, he just expressed his view of the score. Also, the interviewer was a major douchebag. Did he really think Manny was worried about being smaller? Or was he just adding fuel to the fire? I know how I felt with his questions (angry) and they weren't even directed at me. Luckily Pacquiao is a pretty chill guy.
Let me tell you this: this "undefeated" slogan is going to put a lot of money in a lot of pockets long after Mayweather's retirement. But that's just how the world works.
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I'm by no means a boxing connoisseur, at all, but in my humble opinion the win should have gone to Manny. I don't blame him at all for the comments he made in the interview, he wasn't a dick or anything, he just expressed his view of the score. Also, the interviewer was a major douchebag. Did he really think Manny was worried about being smaller? Or was he just adding fuel to the fire? I know how I felt with his questions (angry) and they weren't even directed at me. Luckily Pacquiao is a pretty chill guy.
Let me tell you this: this "undefeated" slogan is going to put a lot of money in a lot of pockets long after Mayweather's retirement. But that's just how the world works.
Rant over
Subpar Spatula
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Not denying Floyd has talent. His talent isn't entertaining.
People not every one is a boxing enthusiast and when a fight is hyped as "The Fight of the Century" people will undoubtedly follow if the marketing is there. This match wouldn't have been popular if it was targeted solely at boxing fans (like most boxing matches are). People wanted an entertaining fight--blood, a knock out or something. Technical jabs and fancy footwork isn't entertaining. The people have spoken. You can call them out for not doing their homework but then you're willfully ignoring how far down the drain boxing is in American sports, so a more entertaining fight would have been a bonus for boxing's reputation.
Other boxers aren't marketed as heavily as this fight. You know this. Those fights are directed are marketed to boxing fans which is why they don't get that much attendance or recognition from the general public. While this fight--even if entertaining--wouldn't have produced millions of new enthusiasts it at least would have made boxing more cool to the general public. Instead this most likely made boxing a bigger joke.
Not an expert. Just explaining why a fight billed as "The Fight of the Century" was boring to people. The person in that video was doing that and the other person was doing what you're doing. You can either accept the general public found this boring or you can stay stubborn and make excuses as to why people found it boring. It's up to you, most people won't care about your response (that's something you should take from this) because outside of memes of hugging this fight won't be talked about by the general public after a month.
Winning is important but winning and entertaining at the same time is equally important. It's why poker matches that end in Heads Up and one has a stack majority and wins by slowly accumulating the other's small pile are boring. People call those game's boring as well. We get it, they're technically great because the chip leader didn't let his guard down and made the right calls but it's just boring and a bad way to end a show. Entertainment matters in sports as well. It's a factor. Like the EPT High Rollars finals yesterday: Spiedal has low chip count and accumulates Ur'banovich's stack slowly and ends with an all-in by Urbanovich, that's entertaining because the stakes were up. Being technical is fine but most of the time it's not entertaining.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Uhhhh.....
"My argument makes no sense but stop before you point it out! It's irrelevant!"
If you look at some of the sportsman who are considered among the greatest of all time, people like Ayrton Senna, Pele, Muhammad Ali, Maradona, Bolt, Jordan etc, often they're not even stars with the best records, or flawless records, but more so an amazing degree of talent and skill, coupled with passion, immense showmanship and pure entertainment spectacle. The latter is what Mayweather lacks. Whilst personally I'd still regard him as one of the better boxers in history, I can see why some are reluctant to give him the sort of adoration other greats amass.
Delta Assault
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That would be great if this was warfare, where the only goal is to win. But uh, boxing isn't warfare. It's an entertainment sport. The only reason it exists is to provide entertainment.
Syphon Filter
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yet you guys keep coming...
DanteGhost
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Mayweather will never be remembered as a top fighter, and the way he fought last night is one of the reasons. Yes he dominated Pacquio, and that precisely is the reason he should have gone for the KO instead of running away from his opponent. Such a shit fighter. He will probably finish his career undefeated, but people will talk more about other fighters of his era, like Pacquio in his prime.
I was expecting way more of Mayweather, so yes I'm really salty.
I was expecting way more of Mayweather, so yes I'm really salty.
It's his job job to win. Everything else is icing.
Nah, the only reason I watched the fight was because of Pac. Had it been anyone else I wouldn't have cared. I guess I learned my lesson though because not even Pac could make the fight exciting against Mehweather.
GeordieMark
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You have to remember that he is at the end of his career now. When he was younger he produced plenty of show stopping combos, and some pretty dazzling footwork, which added up to some pretty spectacular performances.
Saw more clinch work/hugging/stalling in this fight than in any MMA bout.
I don't get why "casuals" thought it was gonna go down any different. I'm actually glad Mayweather didn't flip the script on his style due to the magnitude of this bout. People needed to be exposed to the reality of what "the best boxer in the world" brings as far as entertainment value is concerned.
That "Ghost" Guerrero vs Thurman bout from not too long ago was free and shitted on this main event.
I don't get why "casuals" thought it was gonna go down any different. I'm actually glad Mayweather didn't flip the script on his style due to the magnitude of this bout. People needed to be exposed to the reality of what "the best boxer in the world" brings as far as entertainment value is concerned.
That "Ghost" Guerrero vs Thurman bout from not too long ago was free and shitted on this main event.
RandyBobandy
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He will remembered as one of the best :lol
He's beat everyone and will retire undefeated
Syphon Filter
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Maidana did better because he was more aggressive than pacman. Part of it was on manny for not forcing floyd like Maidana did.
lol except he's already regarded as an ATG, a first ballot hall of fame, THE best fighter of his era
...but why risk opening yourself up and going for a KO when your normal technique is so clearly dominating a weak opponent who just isn't good enough to beat you? I'm not seeing a reason for why Mayweather should have done anything differently. He dominated that fight and made Manny look like an amateur.
It seems like people are upset because they were expecting some kind of emotional brawl here.
"He was winning so he should of started throwing Haymakers so he could win"
It's a good thing May actually has a high boxing IQ.
So Mayweather dominated the guy everyone was rooting for and confident would beat him, and he's going to retire undefeated most likely, and yet that makes him a shit tier fighter? Legit lol.
It takes two to box. It's not Mayweather's fault no one can beat his style, so instead of moaning at him for being too good at what he does, maybe redirect some of that anger to the challenger that failed to live up to your expectations? Just a thought.
What am I making excuses about? Mayweather is immensely talented, one of the best of his generation, and generally boring to watch.
Your argument boils down to "I blindly bought into marketing and purchased because they told me to, and now I feel misled based on my perception of greatness." I understand it completely, and don't sympathize with your plight. Do you generally buy things after watching commercials?
BigJonsson
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What were people expecting?
And I had no idea there were PPV problems which delayed the start of the main event
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-ppv-problems-avoided-094636075.html
And I had no idea there were PPV problems which delayed the start of the main event
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-ppv-problems-avoided-094636075.html
I'm not even a boxing fan but this doesn't add up to me. He's 48-0. He's never lost to his opponent, which obviously makes him a top fighter. Just because he fights with a style that is unappealing to watch doesn't make him bad. He has a strategy and it works.
DanteGhost
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In the mind of casual people, like Ali, Jordan, Messi, Tyson or Tigers Woods? Get out of here. He is not even going to be remembered as well the Pacquio of five years ago. Casuals think that Pacquiao won, thats how shit Mayweather is. Even though he dominated the entire fucking fight.
Hands of Stone
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The difference in footwork was the biggest factor. Bring on Thurman/Khan!
..Golovkin?
..Golovkin?
Boxing is dying but it's not because of Mayweather. The dude just made $180 million in a single fight and even with the same complaints after every single one of his fights, the ppv numbers keep going up.
Subpar Spatula
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Then you don't sympathize with people's conclusion that the fight was boring and not worth the PPV price. That's fine. If you just want to to insult and skirt around saying we're all idiots go ahead. You don't think the outrage is warranted. OK. People will call the fight boring and you'll do what you do.
Syphon Filter
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I rather see Floyd vs Khan, best opponent for floyd.
GGG at catch weight would be amazing, but I don't see it happening. Mayweather isn't out here looking to risk himself without reason. That reason being a payday. GGG offers nothing special in that regard.
No doubt, but it's not like Manny didn't try. Every time he got inside Mayweather locked him up like a coward.
I agree.
Syphon Filter
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yea if you're delusional. Floyd will be remembered just as much as ali and tyson down the road no matter what anyone thinks.
LOL - right.
I mean, that's literally what Mayweather's supposed to do.
Mayweather's technique just completely unraveled Manny. That's what this comes down to.
Syphon Filter
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Maidana found a way no matter if floyd locked him or not. He made it rough when floyd tried that and actually had some success with it. Manny was not as aggressive as he should have been.
You mean one of the first things they teach you when learning to box? The nerve.
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