MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd

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I guess people don't really want a champion who doesn't lose as much as its deified. Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain kind of shit. Maybe people need to pull there money together and pay Mayweather to retire from the sport if they're so convinced he's killing it.
 
Greyface said:
Holyfield & Mosley score it for Pacquiao

Tyson & Malignaggi thoroughly underwhelmed by Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: 'We waited 5 years for that'
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Tyson has been saying he is rooting for Pac, he doesn't like Floyd, Floyd has a lot of enemies.

nib95 said:
Lol, you really believe that? Be honest with yourself, Mayweather is the one who made it less exciting. Constantly evading, grabbing and running around like he was trying to avoid a fight more than actually entertain one. If fighters could fight duplicates of themselves, a Pac vs Pac fight would be an amazing event full of tempo and aggression, a Mayweather vs Mayweather fight in contrast would likely be mostly unexciting, petty and slow.

Mayweather is great, incredible even. He consistently wins, problem is, he doesn't often win with style, something that can't really be said for other sports greats.
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Of course Pac is at fault. Maidana went all out, fought unorthodox to break Floyd open. If Floy grabs or turtles, Pac has to deal with that.

Look at the Maidana VS Mayweather fight, tell me then that Pac was not the one at fault. It's the same Floyd in both fights, but Maidana opened him up, Pac never managed to, he got in Floyd's head to the point where he was starting to panic between the rounds. You can't blame Floyd for how the match was yesterday, he's fighting to win and turtling and grabbing isn't risk free, if you grab you risk getting a nice uppercut in the face. There's nothing Floyd did that didn't put him at risk in some way, no defense is without flaw.
 
royalan said:
But it's not like we haven't seen Mayweather go in for the kill before. How many KOs does the man have?

You can't blame him for not doing that here when he clearly didn't have to. Manny was outclassed from the jump. If anybody's to blame for not bringing the excitement to the ring, it's on Manny for not being at all prepared for Mayweather's game.
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Not saying he doesn't have KOs but the way he approaches and doesn't instinctively go for the kill but takes advantages of opportunities, a mongoose goes in knowing he will want a kill.

Manny came in swinging. He had Mayweather in the corner and on the ropes a bunch, the result? A hug and separation or a duck out of the way after blocking hits. We can blame Manny as well but most of the blame on the boring fight came from evasion techniques. Even though those techniques are great they're boring to watch if that's all you're doing + jabs.
 
DanteGhost said:
He beat Pacquio 5 years too late. Pacquio was never the same fighter after JMM knocked him out 3 years ago. Any boxing fan knew that. In the last 5 years he has fought against fighters out of their prime or b-tier. Unless you consider Maidana an all time great. Laughable.
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And 5 years before that Mayweather was dominating undefeated CHAMPIONS and all time greats in glorious fights while Manny was getting knocked the fucked out in the Philippines. Unless you don't consider Corrales an all time great. Laughable.
 
FuturusX said:
Tyson believes Mayweather stands alone at the forefront of boxing: "He controlled the fight, he has great endurance, he did a really good job.

"It's his era, his time. He is in invincible mode now - no-one can stand with him at this particular moment."

Former world cruiserweight champion Johnny Nelson was surprised by the margin of Mayweather's victory. He said: "He shocked me and shocked everybody because he stepped up another three, four, five levels and shut him out. It was a complete masterclass.

"The whole thing of boxing is hit and not be hit. That's what he did."

Former world featherweight champion Barry McGuigan was not surprised by the manner of Mayweather's victory. "Mayweather was much too smart and quick for Manny. Just as I predicted - boringly one-sided," he tweeted.

source: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/32573246
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royalan said:
But it's not like we haven't seen Mayweather go in for the kill before. How many KOs does the man have?

You can't blame him for not doing that here when he clearly didn't have to. Manny was outclassed from the jump. If anybody's to blame for not bringing the excitement to the ring, it's on Manny for not being at all prepared for Mayweather's game.
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Plus you have people acting like Mayweather's punch is like being hit with a pillow and he can't counter:

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Wynnebeck said:
Plus you have people acting like Mayweather's punch is like being hit with a pillow and he can't counter:

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See, moments like this? I'm no boxing expert, but damn...how can you NOT be impressed at Mayweather's evasive skill? This is like some psychic shit...
 
royalan said:
See, moments like this? I'm no boxing expert, but damn...how can you NOT be impressed at Mayweather's evasive skill? This is like some psychic shit...
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why are you impressed by someone who beat a woman 5 years ago, please stop

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I'm being sarcastic.
 
royalan said:
See, moments like this? I'm no boxing expert, but damn...how can you NOT be impressed at Mayweather's evasive skill? This is like some psychic shit...
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Most people in this thread seem to believe that anybody can do that and there's nothing special about it at all. He should have eaten the punch and the hit him back. SMFH
 
royalan said:
See, moments like this? I'm no boxing expert, but damn...how can you NOT be impressed at Mayweather's evasive skill? This is like some psychic shit...
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He's a great boxer, one of the greatest no question. People criticized Tyson for knocking opponents out too quickly and then when he got older for not knocking them out fast enough or at all. You know how boxing is, in the mind of fans it's one part Raging Bull and two parts Rocky. The reality is something very different.
 
Boxing 1.54 update plans

*Clinch-hugging is proving to be too effective. Will be getting looked at for a nerf.
*Headlocks are proving to be too effective. Probably nerfed as well.
*Speed_attribute on mayweather class was bugged, attributes scaled exponentially instead of linearly.
*Ranged DPS has a noticeable advantage over melee in the meta game at the moment. We were hoping that melee's 130% increased DPS and aggro would make up for the disadvantage, but it does not appear to be working as well as we'd hoped.
*Accuracy modifier on pacman class has not scaled as well with new loot items as anticipated.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
Not saying he doesn't have KOs but the way he approaches and doesn't instinctively go for the kill but takes advantages of opportunities, a mongoose goes in knowing he will want a kill.

Manny came in swinging. He had Mayweather in the corner and on the ropes a bunch, the result? A hug and separation or a duck out of the way after blocking hits. We can blame Manny as well but most of the blame on the boring fight came from evasion techniques. Even though those techniques are great they're boring to watch if that's all you're doing + jabs.
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It's no surprise you've clearly missed the point of royalan's analogy and get bogged down in the specifics. FYI though, animals don't always die in confrontations. Sometimes they get away to lick their wounds. Sometimes they succumb to their wounds.

The point is that Mayweather and Pacquiao are incredibly gifted fighters, and anyone that can appreciate boxing for what it truly is - which is not a mindless slugfest - will realise that of the two, great as they both are, Mayweather was simply the greater force. He kept Pacquiao in check. Controlled the range, the pacing, timing - everything.

If domination is imposing one's will, that is exactly what Mayweather did. Hate him or love him, he imposed his will on Pacquiao from round one and made him fight just the way he wanted him to. The only one to blame here for that is Pacquiao. It's not Mayweather's responsibility to jeopardise his health for your entertainment. The fact that you and so many other casual fans in particular feel that sense of entitlement is nothing short of disgusting.

You are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to say you found the fight underwhelming, boring, a waste of your time and money - but don't presume you can epress those sentiments as statements of facts without getting called out for it and made to substantiate those arguments. That doesn't happen in any sport.
 
nib95 said:
I'd imagine a majority of fighting fans dislike his style. Hence the backlash to the win and strategies employed.

And I don't mean slow as in his speed (Floyd is very quick), I mean slow as in the pace of the fight. Eg lots of waiting, dancing around, not actually engaging each other etc.
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It would depend on what you choose to define as a "fighting fan" I guess.

And yeah, Floyd is a counter puncher. His fights usually go at the pace an opponent sets. Which brings me to we to why isn't Pacquiao getting any slack for how lackluster he was last night? Is the hate for Floyd really that deep? He's a fighter who more than anything was blessed with great energy and endurance but as he gets older it gets a lot more frustrating to watch.

He threw less than half the usual amount of punches he usually does and some counts even less than Mayweather. Floyd was able to spend ample time in his pocket, gloves down and basically toy with this guy. It's hard to understand why people are trying to craft this narrative that it was close or that Manny was roobed. He was dominated. And then to go and scapegoat his right shoulder as the reason after his "I thought I won bullishit". Its crazy how he is getting left off the hook.

There's been plenty of questionable decisions in mayweathers career and some times where I thought he probably should have lost but this wasn't even close.
 
Delta Assault said:
Boxing 1.54 update plans

*Clinch-hugging is proving to be too effective. Will be getting looked at for a nerf.
*Headlocks are proving to be too effective. Probably nerfed as well.
*Speed_attribute on mayweather class was bugged, attributes scaled exponentially instead of linearly.
*Ranged DPS has a noticeable advantage over melee in the meta game at the moment. We were hoping that melee's 130% increased DPS and aggro would make up for the disadvantage, but it does not appear to be working as well as we'd hoped.
*Accuracy modifier on pacman class has not scaled as well with new loot items as anticipated.
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Lol.
 
I think it's fairly possible that some of those early shots on Pac shook him a bit and made him more cautious, which could explain why he didn't just 'explode' in the opening rounds as many expected him to.
 
Frog-fu said:
It's no surprise you've clearly missed the point of royalan's analogy and get bogged down in the specifics. FYI though, animals don't always die in confrontations. Sometimes they get away to lick their wounds. Sometimes they succumb to their wounds.

The point is that Mayweather and Pacquiao are incredibly gifted fighters, and anyone that can appreciate boxing for what it truly is - which is not a mindless slugfest - will realise that of the two, great as they both are, Mayweather was simply the greater force. He kept Pacquiao in check. Controlled the range, the pacing, timing - everything.

If domination is imposing one's will, that is exactly what Mayweather did. Hate him or love him, he imposed his will on Pacquiao from round one and made him fight just the way he wanted him to. The only one to blame here for that is Pacquiao. It's not Mayweather's responsibility to jeopardise his health for your entertainment. The fact that you and so many other casual fans in particular feel that sense of entitlement is nothing short of disgusting.

You are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to say you found the fight underwhelming, boring, a waste of your time and money - but don't presume you can epress those sentiments as statements of facts without getting called out for it and made to substantiate those arguments. That doesn't happen in any sport.
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No. I understand his analogy in that the mongoose is a very crafty animal who can be super slippery and agile. Mongoose also goes in for the kill and that kill makes the fight entertaining. The fight also doesn't last 12 rounds with rules.

I'm sure most people agree Mayweather is a great fighter and he won fair and square within the rule books. People just found it boring because of tactics people perceive as lame and boring like hugging or running around the ring. The fight did not live up to the hype. We had celebrities endorse this with commentary, commercials, etc. We had back stories of hardship and overcoming challenges but then we get that.

If you want to call out my boring comments then you better set aside a few years so you can properly call out every one who said this fight was boring.
 
Wynnebeck said:
Plus you have people acting like Mayweather's punch is like being hit with a pillow and he can't counter:

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I can't be mad at this. This is pure perfection and mastering this is something that no other boxer has come close to doing so why is he being raked across the coals for being good at what he does? This critism is never used against anyone but him. I swear, it's really ridiculous. People are mad because he's too good, like bye.
 
I'm not going to be a hypocrite about the athletes and entertainers I support, I've stanned for people on the same moral low ground as Floyd so why would I draw a line at him?
 
Frog-fu said:
You are entitled to say you found the fight underwhelming, boring, a waste of your time and money - but don't presume you can epress those sentiments as statements of facts without getting called out for it and made to substantiate those arguments. That doesn't happen in any sport.
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What if we don't think they're facts? It's just an opinion that it was a boring match. Boring =/= unskilled, non-technical, not a great boxer, "box should only be one way", etc. - it's just a result of people generally finding upbeat, flashy matches more entertaining.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
I can't be mad at this. This is pure perfection and mastering this is something that no other boxer has come close to doing so why is he being raked across the coals for being good at what he does? This critism is never used against anyone but him. I swear, it's really ridiculous. People are mad because he's too good, like bye.
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People love to hate the bad guy.
 
Akainu said:
I don't watch boxing or care. But it sounds like people are mad that mayweather wasn't eating punches?
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Basically.

Apparently, even though his honed technique was enough to dominate Manny, he should risked the fight and swallowed more punches to make it "entertaining." Almost like throwing the fight, if you will.
 
Akainu said:
I don't watch boxing or care. But it sounds like people are mad that mayweather wasn't eating punches?
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Millions of people bought into the hype of Mayweather finally getting KO'd and were thoroughly disappointed at how much of the same old same old it was.
 
HiiiLife said:
Everybody on my feed saying the fight was rigged. The fight is really that serious to people?
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No, those people sound like they are not serious about following boxing in any way.

Signed, somebody who is not serious about following boxing in any way and avoided the fight because I knew this was how it was going to go down and it was a hundred damned dollars. These people are insane people for paying so much while having no idea what they're buying. These are the people that pre-order video games and buy season passes.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
No. I understand his analogy in that the mongoose is a very crafty animal who can be super slippery and agile. Mongoose also goes in for the kill and that kill makes the fight entertaining. The fight also doesn't last 12 rounds with rules.

I'm sure most people agree Mayweather is a great fighter and he won fair and square within the rule books. People just found it boring because of tactics people perceive as lame and boring like hugging or running around the ring. The fight did not live up to the hype. We had celebrities endorse this with commentary, commercials, etc. We had back stories of hardship and overcoming challenges but then we get that.

If you want to call out my boring comments then you better set aside a few years so you can properly call out every one who said this fight was boring.
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I think you put in better words what I was trying to say.

I think Mayweather could have won this fight in the 8th round(I think). When he landed some hard punches at Pacquio at the beginning of the round. Pacquio had no response, none. Instead he decided to keep grabbing and running. Just imagine if he had kept that pressure and won by KO. Intead of talking how boring he is, we would be talking about one of the best pound per pound fighters of history. But that didn't happen.
 
_illmatic_ said:
People love to hate the bad guy.
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I hate him trust me. His domestic violence cases are enough for me to be disgusted at his presence but I'm not going to knock the guy for his skill. I get people are overflowing with hate because of his outside personality and wanted to see the big bad wolf get downed but, the faux hero needs to do his job and he didn't. People should be more mad at their messiah for not downing the devil, from their perspective.
 
Hate to bring Hajime No Ippo into this, but in one of the early episodes there was a guy who boxed exactly like Mayweather - by points. He hugged to exhaust his opponent and dodged everything to get points. Didn't launch anything powerful.

The audience mostly boo'd the guy and he would've won the match, but the author decided that the boxer always wanted to be an infighter so he lost to Ippo when he fell into peer pressure from the audience and his own desire.

What I got from that fight tho is that people want to see a hitting match - no one can grasp excellent technical display because it's either too fast to see or too boring to watch. If everyone did that, no one would watch boxing. Mayweather may be the only generation's exception.
 
BTW it was broadcasted free on TV here in Mexico :P We often get these events without having to pay. UFC almost never does this :/
 
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