CDPR keeping Witcher 3 keys for Origin, uPlay and GOG; tell GMG to go pound sand

I can't confirm this, but I thought sometimes there are stipulations for resellers imposed by the publisher on how low they can price a game, particularly for pre-release/launch time, when they are buying the game directly from the publisher. You'll notice Steam, Origin, UPlay, and even GOG have the game priced at 10% off or $53.99 in the US. The only exception is the 20% off on Steam as part of the loyalty discount for owning the last 2 games, but that's about it.

It's possible that whoever bought a key directly from CDP agreed to not sell it lower than 10% off and no one could undercut the GOG price. With the GMG price at $39 being the best price on the game (Nuuvem is cheaper, but you have to go through some form of VPN to buy from them in the US), maybe they had to go through a middle man, sell at a loss, in order to bypass this restriction.

Again, don't know if this correct, but it would be in line with their comment of CDP prioritizing GOG, and not wanting the game sold cheaper somewhere else.
I hypothesized that in my post above. But the issue remains is as far as I know there is no history of a stipulation like that before for digital games. GMG has offered a 20-25% coupon code for almost every major release on PC, and it always ends up being cheaper than MSRP, even in cases where there's a preorder discount on Steam or whatnot. This is the only case where I can even think of this hypothetical situation (because it will always remain hypothetical because nobody involved would comment on it regardless of if it is or isn't true) and it's coming from one of the most pro-consumer companies in the industry.

Maybe CDPR's decision to exclude GMG was driven by the fact that they want best deal to be GOG, but is it that bad? They want push GOG and grow it as business, game like TW3 is great for doing that.
The issue with this is that GOG isn't even technically the best deal, if we're going by CDProjekt authorized resellers. As horrible a piece of software uPlay is, and I would have to seriously question the state of mind of anyone who willingly bought something there that's available elsewhere, they offer a choice of one of four free games, and include every preorder bonus available on GOG.
 
CDPR would have no fucking rights to cancel GMG's keys, the legal and PR nightmare from that would not favor them. If i buy 100 000 keys tomorow from GOG and give them for free on GAF for the hell of it (wont happen guys), it would be my right.
Exactly.
I'm annoyed that both Gamespy and CDPR are besmirching GMG. Of course CDPR are being paid for the keys at some point, that 0 revenue is bs and it's shameful that one board admin said GMG sold pirated keys. I regret ordering Witcher 3 direct from GOG now, should have went with Steam or GMG.

I still don't understand why CDPR refused to work with GMG in the first place since they previously sold Witcher 2. Couldn't they have just limited what coupons work with the game and instead go with the partial refund discount that many Origin games do on GMG?
 
I'm assuming they are buying keys from say an international retailer for real cheap. Most people here on this website were able to get GTA V from nuveem for $29 which is what 40-50% off? There's still money to be made here.

Cd project don't want US customers to be buying 35% off "brazilian" or "Asian" keys, they want those people spending the full RRP
 
If this was all about promoting GOG why then have deals with Steam, Origin, uPlay, HumbleBundle etc.?.

I posted this on another page, but perhaps all the retailers who bought keys directly from CDP had an agreement not to undercut the GOG price of $53.99 (outside Steam's 20% off loyalty discount that's also on GMG)? Maybe the only way GMG could offer keys for $39 was buy buying from a 3rd party and therefore not having to abide by that agreement.
 
Exactly.
I'm annoyed that both Gamespy and CDPR are besmirching GMG. Of course CDPR are being paid for the keys at some point, that 0 revenue is bs and it's shameful that one board admin said GMG sold pirated keys. I regret ordering Witcher 3 direct from GOG now, should have went with Steam or GMG.

I still don't understand why CDPR refused to work with GMG in the first place since they previously sold Witcher 2. Couldn't they have just limited what coupons work with the game and instead go with the partial refund discount that many Origin games do on GMG?

Why blame CDPR for gamespots made up line.
 
I don't expect we will get the name of the source but I think they will probably be punished in some way by CDPR since they will buy one of those keys to trace. I wonder if the supplier will chicken out and pull back from GMG after this.

Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if their supplier turns out to be a GPU manufacturer who get a giant block of valid keys from nVidia to push graphics cards.
Because CDP don't even need to buy and then test a key from GMG to work out where they're getting from if it is via other retailers, they can just see which retailers purchase requests have suddenly balooned in volume unexplainedly.
 
CDPR screwed up their perfect dev image in my head. It's not the biggest deal for me as I wasn't going to go with GMG either way, but still. This seems really petty. Especially thinking about the hit that GMG is taking on its own now when selling it for that cheap. What a bummer. :x

Also, GOG sucks.
 
So let me get this straight:

1.) GMG talked with CDPR to acquire licenses to sell on their site.
2.) CDPR refused.
3.) GMG went to other CDPR authorized re-sellers and bought licenses off of them.
4.) They now offer a significant discount on The Witcher 3 which they absorb AND sell the game on their site.

Looks like consumers and GMG win. The only one coming out looking bad out of this is CDPR and Gamespot.

Also, since the keys were acquired legally from authorized resellers, they won't be revoked or CDPR can expect lawsuits all day.
 
But anyway, Jaki seems to be implying the keys won't be invalidated so that's fine if they do end up not being invalidated, as long as GMG is speaking the truth and they are sourced legitimately. But that's the kind of response that should have been the first thing we hear after his initial post saying "For the moment consider not buying from GMG as their source is unknown."

That other moderator is just terrible.
 
What a shitty thing to do from CDPR.


Lol what? GMG went behind their back after failed negotiations and sold thier pride and joy where and for prices they were not authorized to.


How is that shitty on CDPR's part?

I've bought games from both parties, but clearly, GMG is the one being shady and dishonest here.
 
Cd project don't want US customers to be buying 35% off "brazilian" or "Asian" keys, they want those people spending the full RRP

Uhm wait a second.
Doesn't GoG have Geo price smoothing?* As in if you pay more in your country you get in-store cash back?
I know I didn't spend much on Witcher 3 due to that.
 
I hypothesized that in my post above. But the issue remains is as far as I know there is no history of a stipulation like that before for digital games. GMG has offered a 20-25% coupon code for almost every major release on PC, and it always ends up being cheaper than MSRP, even in cases where there's a preorder discount on Steam or whatnot. This is the only case where I can even think of this hypothetical situation (because it will always remain hypothetical because nobody involved would comment on it regardless of if it is or isn't true) and it's coming from one of the most pro-consumer companies in the industry.

The issue with this is that GOG isn't even technically the best deal, if we're going by CDProjekt authorized resellers. As horrible a piece of software uPlay is, and I would have to seriously question the state of mind of anyone who willingly bought something there that's available elsewhere, they offer a choice of one of four free games, and include every preorder bonus available on GOG.

Yeah I don't think we'll ever have definitive proof. I just find it interesting that everyone is selling the game at a standard 10% (at most 20% loyalty) discount, almost as if that was universally agreed upon price to match but not beat GOG. It's all speculation on my part of course.

And I agree "best deal" is subjective but GMG is undoubtedly the cheapest price to buy this game (outside VPN with Nuuvem). Even that uPLAY deal comes with older games that people may have already bought a while ago (exception being AC Rogue) but if you want one of those games, that's of course a pretty nice deal.
 
If this was all about promoting GOG why then have deals with Steam, Origin, uPlay, HumbleBundle etc.?



And then pray that lurkers don't read comments or they are given bad image about CDPR because people took GameSpots statements as CDPR's statements. Title and OP post both could do with some tweaking, OP post more so.

Edit: Oh wow that title edit... I don't even...

Most likely it's because Steam/Origin/uplay hardly ever offer "Discounts" (especially on new games) and do not really compete with GoG when it comes to the price of the game.

Whereas GoG is known for offering vouchers/deals on games, especially pre orders (Which is why most pc gamers, including me) use them.

Getting a new game for 20% is nice.

CDPR might see this and think it will under-cut them so they decided to not sell to them.
 
Lol what? GMG went behind their back after failed negotiations and sold thier pride and joy where and for prices they were not authorized to.


How is that shitty on CDPR's part?

I've bought games from both parties, but clearly, GMG is the one being shady and dishonest here.
This post makes no sense. If GMG is acquiring CD keys from an authorized re-seller, explain to me how this is shady?
 
Only company I'm annoyed with here is CDPR for trying to funnel traffic to GOG. If EA did this before they locked all their games to Origin, the internet would be crying bloody murder.
 
If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?
 
This post makes no sense. If GMG is acquiring CD keys from an authorized re-seller, explain to me how this is shady?


Who is the authorized reseller you are talking about? Link?


If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?


Exactly this.
 
What a shitty thing to do from CDPR.

Well it depends on what you call shitty. They haven't given any digital keys to any third parties outside of platform holders such as ubisoft EA and Valve. I assume they have their reasoning, but regardless I don't think anyone is right or wrong.

CDPR have every right to choose who will sell the game digitally and at what time, and (I think) GmG are free to get retail copies with keys and then sell the keys - the big grey area, is how and if it is allowed or legal for GmG to obtain those keys / distribute them before the game even launches
 
Yeah I don't think we'll ever have definitive proof. I just find it interesting that everyone is selling the game at a standard 10% (at most 20% loyalty) discount, almost as if that was universally agreed upon price to match but not beat GOG. It's all speculation on my part of course.

And I agree "best deal" is subjective but GMG is undoubtedly the cheapest price to buy this game (outside VPN with Nuuvem). Even that uPLAY deal comes with older games that people may have already bought a while ago (exception being AC Rogue) but if you want one of those games, that's of course a pretty nice deal.
Well, the controversy seems to have subsided with the latest edit from Jaki. He's saying if they keys are from Nvidia GPUs or GOG (sold at a loss) that they'll work and won't be invalidated.

If they bought them from another authorized reseller it's unclear whether they'll be invalidated or not, though.

If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?
GMG claims in their statement they are taking a loss on the keys.
 
Maybe CDPR's decision to exclude GMG was driven by the fact that they want best deal to be GOG, but is it that bad? They want push GOG and grow it as business, game like TW3 is great for doing that

I was thinking this as well. Valve did this with Half Life 2 in 2004 and look how that turned out. You can't fault a company for wanting their company to grow, choosing business partners is part of that process. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.
 
Who is the authorized reseller you are talking about? Link?
Sulyok explains that GMG chose to essentially go around CD Projekt RED by acquiring digital copies of the game from third parties and retailers that were approved by CD Projekt RED. According to Sulyok, this means that CD Projekt RED is getting the revenue from sales of these games, and that any additional discount is absorbed by GMG. Earlier today, CD Projekt RED told GameSpot it was getting "zero" revenue from these sales.
There's probably not just one source but a lot of them. GMG has a lot of traffic you know? It's kind of a big deal in PC gaming space.
 
This post makes no sense. If GMG is acquiring CD keys from an authorized re-seller, explain to me how this is shady?

GMG website proudly states that it only sells keys they get directly from the publisher. So its a definite violation of their own policy.
 
If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?

Pretty much.

CDPR were rightly confused about the cheaper prices, and mentioned as such. GMG are taking a loss, so it's a win for customers I guess.

GMG website proudly states that it only sells keys they get directly from the publisher. So its a definite violation of their own policy.

Is it? That's bad then.
 
Well, the controversy seems to have subsided with the latest edit from Jaki. He's saying if they keys are from Nvidia GPUs or GOG (sold at a loss) that they'll work and won't be invalidated.

If they bought them from another authorized reseller it's unclear whether they'll be invalidated or not, though.

Sure, I suppose by posts are less about whether the keys can be invalidated or not though. I just responded to the question of why CDP agreed to sell keys to other sites and not GMG, who may have told them they intended to sell the game cheaper than GOG. I'm only speculating.
 
So let me get this straight:

1.) GMG talked with CDPR to acquire licenses to sell on their site.
2.) CDPR refused.
3.) GMG went to other CDPR authorized re-sellers and bought licenses off of them.
4.) They now offer a significant discount on The Witcher 3 which they absorb AND sell the game on their site.
5.) CDPR got mad since they did not sell them the keys.
6.) They then discouraged forum users to buy from GMG.
7.) Gamespot reports keys were not legal.
8.) GMG says their source was legit.

Looks like consumers and GMG win. The only one coming out looking bad out of this is CDPR and Gamespot.

Also, since the keys were acquired legally from authorized resellers, they won't be revoked or CDPR can expect lawsuits all day.
Fixed it for you. In case new people are lost...
 
Have to say in this case id say GMG is somewhat at fault for circumventing the deal they were going for with CDPR and still not disclosing exactly what they did.

Someone at CDPR is probably scratching their head at the hate they are receiving now cause all they did was see a seller they told no to, selling keys less than everyone they made distribution deals with and let people know that. CDPR has been very consumer friendly with this release, providing a steep discount already for owners of prior games, and they even let you cross pollinate platforms ie. if you owned on steam you could redeem on GOG for the discount etc.

So yeah this is a bit unfair toward CDPR i think. GMG needs to come forward with their 'method' for their own deal.
 
Just a few words of explanation:

We have worked with GMG in the past for w2 and they were a legit partner.
We control all digital and the codes, and because we decided not to sell Keys to GMG it came as a suprise that they are doing a special promo without buying Keys from us. We have reach out to ask for the source of they Keys but up until now there was no response. They might sell nVidia Keys (which are not to be sold but gifted with the nVidia promo), or they just bough Keys from gog just like a regular customer and now they resell them with a loss (we cannot prevent anyone from selling something).
They also list Bandai Namco as the published which is not true for w3 (namco is our box distributor in PAL), so GMG is not a CDPR partner for W3 but they still might sell Keys that will work.

Interesting.
 
If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?
Who said CDPR is wrong? Who said GMG is wrong? Every party in this situation is doing what's best for themselves, legally.

EDIT: LOL GMG is taking losses on these keys. Those who bought from them better be thankful lol.
 
Pretty much.

CDPR were rightly confused about the cheaper prices, and mentioned as such. GMG are taking a loss, so it's a win for customers I guess.



Is it? That's bad then.

Yep. As someone that pretty much only buys PC games from GMG, I don't even have a problem with it. However, I do think they have an obligation to be upfront when they do it.

GMG said:
It’s important to us that our customers trust us to provide them with official, publisher-endorsed games at competitive prices. Being official means that our customers have the reassurance that our dedicated Customer Service team can sort out any issues they might have directly with the publisher, that purchased games will work, and importantly, that the correct version of a game will activate in a customer’s region as it is supplied by direct from the publisher.

We are incredibly proud to be a business trading and working officially with the world’s greatest publishers and developers. We have direct contracts as an official, approved retail partner with every publisher / developer that has a game listed on Green Man Gaming, so our customers can buy with confidence.

http://www.greenmangaming.com/about/
 
Who is the authorized reseller you are talking about? Link?

We wont know who, because i dont think GMG wants that reseller to get shit from CDPR's little scheme to channel all sales towards GOG.

But to me, this quote from GMG CEO directly, i see no reasons to not trust them.

"Sulyok explains that GMG chose to essentially go around CD Projekt RED by acquiring digital copies of the game from third parties and retailers that were approved by CD Projekt RED"

GMG responds
 
If Publisher X doesn't want Retailer X to sell their product, isn't that their prerogative not to provide it to them?

And then, if Retailer X really wants to sell said product, isn't it their prerogative to source the product from elsewhere?

But if Retailer X is then able to undercut all other retailers, wouldn't that necessarily throw up red flags all around? If they're not sourcing it directly from the publisher, and they've went through a middleman, then if anything they should have inflated prices, not cheaper prices. Unless they're willing to loss lead, of course. But either way, it throws up major red flags in an industry which is rife with illicit resellers/etc.

Thus, I fail to see how CDPR is in the wrong, since it's their prerogative not to sell to/through someone. The 'why' doesn't matter... it's their product.

GMG is potentially at fault. Without knowing their source, all we know is they're able to provide a cheaper price despite going through a middleman, which is either shady or generous, but effectively going behind the publisher's back either way.

Am I missing anything?

1. If 'their product' has been obtained in a legitimate way, they don't have a fucking say in what's happening to it anymore. Digital licences are restrictive enough as it is and if CDPR felt really strongly about it, they can block the keys.

2. Ever heard of bulk discounts? Say company X bought 200k keys from CDPR at $30 a piece, sold 100k to GMG at $35 a piece and now GMG is selling them at $39 a piece. I don't see anything shady about it, and something tells me GMG wouldn't sell them at a loss just to spite CDPR.

Literally the only scenario where what GMG is doing would be wrong here is if they either stole the keys or knowingly bought them from a shady reseller who broke their own agreement with CDPR by selling them to GMG.
 
Nuuvem has it for 30$USD
170 brazilian reales equal 56 US dollars.

EDIT:
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GMG has a lot of traffic you know? It's kind of a big deal in PC gaming space.


Okay? I use GMG all the time. I have hundreds and hundreds of PC games. Does that mean they are immune to criticism or that they can do no wrong? What is this blind defense?

GMG website proudly states that it only sells keys they get directly from the publisher. So its a definite violation of their own policy.


Yup.
 
Fixed it for you. In case new people are lost...
That's wrong, actually. CDPR have never said to anyone that they shouldn't buy off GMG, instead they warned that GMG is not an authorised seller, and that they should be wary. CDPR tried to get GMG to tell people where the keys are from but they have so far not said anything bar that it's from a reseller.
 
I'm not crazy about CDPR's anti-competitive angle with how they're choosing to distribute the game digitally. Which other retailers have they rejected?
 
Okay? I use GMG all the time. I have hundreds and hundreds of PC games. Does that mean they are immune to criticism or that they can do no wrong? What is this blind defense?




Yup.
There is no criticism. You going to criticize them for buying and reselling legit copies of video games? You serious right now breh?
GMG website proudly states that it only sells keys they get directly from the publisher. So its a definite violation of their own policy.
Seems like they tried but nothing came through of it. The keys are still legit and technically directly from CDPR since they are the only ones who can generate them.
 
We wont know who, because i dont think GMG wants that reseller to get shit from CDPR's little scheme to channel all sales towards GOG.

But to me, this quote from GMG CEO directly, i see no reasons to not trust them.

"Sulyok explains that GMG chose to essentially go around CD Projekt RED by acquiring digital copies of the game from third parties and retailers that were approved by CD Projekt RED"

GMG responds
For the last time, there is no bloody scheme to get people to buy from GoG. If that were the case they'd only have it available through GoG and GoG alone. A title like Witcher 3 has that pull, just like EA with Battlefield on Origin.
 
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