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[Morrigan Stark]

I fail to see why GMG are supposed to be the bad guys in this situation. They buy the keys from other sites, sell them at a lower price, and CDPR is still getting paid?

Something something contracts and stuff

While also promoting their own storefront. It's a bit weird to see how much support CDPR is getting here just because they're CDPR. If this was EA who had come out and accused a competitor of selling stolen keys (and that's basically what CDPR did by saying they were receiving $0 from keys sold by GMG) they'd be getting lit up right now.

Yup.

Or CDPR could simply implement region locks like all other large publishers.

Their problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be that customer friendly company who is so different from the other publishers, and doesn't do any region locking or price fixing.

At the same time, they want to prop up their own online store by not supplying keys to GMG (who are known to reduce their own margin drastically) and want to have the same control over regional pricing that all publishers crave.

Either CDPR has to decide to maintain their customer friendly stance and eat the losses it incurs, or they have to admit to themselves that they aren't all that different from other corporations after all.

What they shouldn't do is pretend to be both.

So much this. But then, I've always felt their so-called pro-consumer stance on DLC was nothing more than a marketing ploy. "Hey guys we're not like the other guys 'cause we give you the horse armour for free!" Yay, good for you... e_e

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

CDPR trying to increase their profits by not dealing with GMG is fine. (Though a bit funny for a company which likes to present itself as pro-consumer)
GMG reselling legitimately obtained keys in response is also perfectly fine.

What's wrong is CDPR then engaging in a smear campaign.

What smear campaign?

If you are referring to the comment of the Witcher forum mod that GMG sells stolen keys, you should know that those mods do not work for CDP, they are volunteers, unpaid and certainly do not represent CDP.

All they did is saying they do not know the origins of the keys, and warn people about it. If you interpret that as they are accusing them of stealing then it's your word, not theirs.

And also, GMG go against their policy which stated that all their keys are publisher-endorsed and they have direct contracts which allow them to sell them, now that is what I would call shady. I don't see you calling them out for it?

While I agree that they refused to work with GMG maybe due to the fact that they don't want them to sell their games at a lower price point than they want is not a good thing; It is not shady, at all. Greedy maybe, but nothing shady about it.

If GMG do not come out and make clear on their sources, it will only come down to the point that CDP will find out when the keys are released and act upon it. Maybe cut ties with that middle man or whatever.

But the fact that GMG is trying to conceal that info and went against their policy are what makes them seem more shady here.

I say all this as a big fan of the game and the devs (CDPR, not CDP). But I dislike and disagree with many of CDP's publishing tactics like the exclusivity for xbox one CE and the GOG fake shutdown, etc.

 

[RipperGrim]

CDPR has done lots of shit. This isn't the first time or the only reason people are throwing them under the bus.

Really? Like what?

We seem to know that CDPR is restricting availability of the digital version of the game to steam and their own store. Doesn't sound very consumer friendly to me.

Like I said we don't know anything here, this is you making an assumption, it's not only available on Steam and their own store, it's literally available on just about every other legit digital storefront. Also I'm just going to say it but even without it being available on GMG it's still the most consumer friendly release in the AAA market in years, free dlc? No DRM restrictions AT ALL. These are things that put them far ahead of other devs and pubs in this industry.

 

[d9b]

Thats some nice cherry picking you did there with that quote

...

so they cleary think if something offers enough content it is perfectly fine to charge for it

Fair enough.
What about even earlier statement?

"When we had that publishing deal, we went to the publisher, and said, 'So we have this idea where we make all this stuff, all this new content, and you don't pay anything for it, we give it away for free. How about that?' The publisher went all big-eyed and said, 'Whoa! Let's charge 10 dollars! 10 Euro!' But we believed that we would sell more units if we put it out for free."

Iwinski turned out to be correct. He said releasing free DLC for the game created good will for CD Projekt Red and in turn led to a surge in sales for The Witcher 1's Enhanced Edition."

It sure looks like them good old days are long gone.

 

[Sijil]

We seem to know that CDPR is restricting availability of the digital version of the game to steam and their own store. Doesn't sound very consumer friendly to me.

That's not true:

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Witcher_3

6 stores offering the game digitally on PC aside from GMG.

 

[LewieP]

You know, I'm sure GMG used to be on Ubisoft's list of authorised retailers.

They're not on it at the moment.

Edit: I should say, this is just from memory. I can't find any cache to back this up, but I did look at this list extensively when it was first published.

 

[60EffPeeEss]

I've bought my Witcher 3 + Expansion pass from Nuuvem for £38, so I wonder what CDPR have to say about that.

 

[boskee]

You know, I'm sure GMG used to be on Ubisoft's list of authorised retailers.

They're not on it at the moment.

There goes "every publisher works with GMG" shtick that so many here were happy to go with. I'd trust a company with 20 years of proven consumer friendly practices over a 4 year company that breaks their mission statement and is shady about the source of their product.

 

[Durante]

And Origin, and ubisoft's thingy and Humble Bundle, and Gamestop and plenty of other places.

No reason not to deal with stores which won't undercut you. But also no benefit for customers and no real competition.

 

[Northeastmonk]

The term DLC is very much universal anymore. It's descriptive in what it is physically than what you're actually getting. Yes, that's true. Where does the truth get us? Companies will continue to do it. CDPR is an example of team that works hard to please fans, but they can't. They basically made directors cuts until now and they gave us the extra content in W2. It's really hard to say, "no CDPR you're wrong" because none of us hurt from this except CDPR.

the only problem I've had with cdpr in the past was compatibility with W2.

I don't know if GMG will become a cd key warehouse where its name gets you banned. Some sites are for sure worse than dirt in terms of sales and where they got their keys from (see GAF ToS). It's just amazing how the two sides fight. This reminds me of Human Revolution and how GameStop pulled all the codes from the boxes.

 

[Cob32]

Do we know why CDPR even refused to give GMG keys in the first place?

 

[dex3108]

Really? Like what?

CDPR shut down GOG for a day just for fun, sold DRM free games that are using cracked .exe (at least i heard that they did that), and introduced regional pricing and currencies few months ago after publishers pushed them (even though they are for same price for everyone) and after backslash they removed it.

Currently info we have indicate that both sides did good thing more-less but they need to clear few more things. I still don't have enough information to form final opinion. But if i look reasons behind their actions i can see and understand why GMG did what they did and i can't see reasonable explanation why CDPR denied keys to GMG.

 

[Blade30]

Fair enough.
What about even earlier statement?

"When we had that publishing deal, we went to the publisher, and said, 'So we have this idea where we make all this stuff, all this new content, and you don't pay anything for it, we give it away for free. How about that?' The publisher went all big-eyed and said, 'Whoa! Let's charge 10 dollars! 10 Euro!' But we believed that we would sell more units if we put it out for free."

Iwinski turned out to be correct. He said releasing free DLC for the game created good will for CD Projekt Red and in turn led to a surge in sales for The Witcher 1's Enhanced Edition."

It sure looks like them good old days are long gone.

How is that different from the earlier statement you quoted? It is related to their DLC policy.
They are just saying that small stuff (dlc, updates) will and should be free (for other games), which is still the case.

 

[Sijil]

Do we know why CDPR even refused to give GMG keys in the first place?

I assume it's because of GMG's tendency to sell cheaper than the rest of the market undercutting everyone else, including GOG and the rest of CDPR digital partners, tho that remains just an assumption.

 

[LewieP]

Do we know why CDPR even refused to give GMG keys in the first place?

I suspect because they want people to buy it from GOG, where they make a bigger cut.

 

[Nillansan]

What a mess.

I thought that your last blunder would have humbled you.

 

[MUnited83]

Really? Like what?



Like I said we don't know anything here, this is you making an assumption, it's not only available on Steam and their own store, it's literally available on just about every other legit digital storefront. Also I'm just going to say it but even without it being available on GMG it's still the most consumer friendly release in the AAA market in years, free dlc? No DRM restrictions AT ALL. These are things that put them far ahead of other devs and pubs in this industry.

Going back on their "no such thing as regional pricing " policy pretty quickly. Releasing games on GOG with fan patches or cracks made by someone else without any kind of compensation or even credits(aka profiting from the hardwork of someone else without paying them a cent.

Just some examples.

 

[gai_shain]

Fair enough.
What about even earlier statement?

"When we had that publishing deal, we went to the publisher, and said, 'So we have this idea where we make all this stuff, all this new content, and you don't pay anything for it, we give it away for free. How about that?' The publisher went all big-eyed and said, 'Whoa! Let's charge 10 dollars! 10 Euro!' But we believed that we would sell more units if we put it out for free."

Iwinski turned out to be correct. He said releasing free DLC for the game created good will for CD Projekt Red and in turn led to a surge in sales for The Witcher 1's Enhanced Edition."

It sure looks like them good old days are long gone.

I dont know what their stance on expansions vs dlc was back then because I think they still make that distinction, even though it can be argued that both are the same.
I also dont know what size those Witcher 1 dlcs are compared to the witcher 3 expansions(dlc) so I dont really want to form an opinion either way on that particular case

 

[Durante]

Do we know why CDPR even refused to give GMG keys in the first place?

The reason is exceedingly likely to be that GMG takes smaller cuts than all other digital distributors. Thereby undercutting CDPR's own GoG service.

 

[Sijil]

I suspect because they want people to buy it from GOG, where they make a bigger cut.

If that was just the case they would've made the game GOG exclusive, but the game is releasing on 6 other digital storefronts. Maybe if GMG was willing to sell the game at the same price as everyone else they would've reached an agreement. Again mere assumptions on my part.

 

[LewieP]

If that was just the case they would've made the game GOG exclusive, but the game is releasing on 6 other digital storefronts. Maybe if GMG was willing to sell the game at the same price as everyone else they would've reached an agreement. Again mere assumptions on my part.

No they wouldn't. It would be madness to cut off the huge Steam audience. I suspect it's on Origin & uPlay because EA & Ubisoft have offered a degree of marketing support, although I'd be interested to hear what the story is with Gamesplanet, who are offering GOG keys they claim they are authorised to sell.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Do we know why CDPR even refused to give GMG keys in the first place?

I can think of two reasons.

1) They think GMG is a bad, shady, non-reputable store and don't want to do business with them (which, if it were true, would be a very good reason, but that's extremely unlikely to be the case);
2) They see GMG as competing with their own store, GOG.

If that was just the case they would've made the game GOG exclusive, but the game is releasing on 6 other digital storefronts.

Which, as Durante said, is not real competition since they're all selling at the same price... you've answered your own query:

Maybe if GMG was willing to sell the game at the same price as everyone else they would've reached an agreement.

In other words, price fixing.

 

[gai_shain]

Which, as Durante said, is not real competition since they're all selling at the same price... you've answered your own query:

they still get more money by selling on their own storefront no?

 

[boskee]

1) They think GMG is a bad, shady, non-reputable store and don't want to do business with them (which, if it were true, would be a very good reason, but that's extremely unlikely to be the case);

Unlikely, given Rafal Jaki's comment:

We have worked with GMG in the past for w2 and they were a legit partner.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

So GMG admits to re-selling keys. Why is there regional pricing then? GMG really wants to make money from charging Australia/Europe the usual extra, while the key itself doesn't cost them? Greedy shitheads.

 

[RipperGrim]

CDPR shut down GOG for a day just for fun, sold DRM free games that are using cracked .exe (at least i heard that they did that), and introduced regional pricing and currencies few months ago after publishers pushed them (even though they are for same price for everyone) and after backslash they removed it.

Currently info we have indicate that both sides did good thing more-less but they need to clear few more things. I still don't have enough information to form final opinion. But if i look reasons behind their actions i can see and understand why GMG did what they did and i can't see reasonable explanation why CDPR denied keys to GMG.

GoG shutting down for a day is hardly something to scream anti-consumer over. Also i've looked around for a story about the cracked games being sold and haven't found any so if you have a link for that it would be great, I do know that GoG actually puts effort into making sure the old games work on modern OS's while Steam doesn't. Maybe that's connected.

Also if they removed the pricing issue then how is it an issue anymore? It just show's that they are willing to listen to people. People were praising Steam for deciding to remove the paid mod system and listen to their customers.

We don't know why CDPR isn't giving keys to GMG but we do know that GMG have gone down a route that is against the reason why people trust them and specifically in CDPR case now it really could be the same as buying from G2A because we don't know where the keys are from, which is why CDPR said what they said.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Unlikely, given Rafal Jaki's comment:

Yeah I know, I said as much. I'm just saying that it would be a legitimate reason for a publisher to refuse selling products to a store... if it were true. But in this case, it's not. So what remains is the fact that GMG competes directly with GOG. Unless there's another reason I can't think of.

 

[MUnited83]

they still get more money by selling on their own storefront no?

yes they do. And they can undercur nearly everyone else because they offer discounts for owners of the previous games on both Steam and GOG. This discount is not available anywhere else. Again something so they can just try and get people to get GOG version.

GoG shutting down for a day is hardly something to scream anti-consumer over. Also i've looked around for a story about the cracked games being sold and haven't found any so if you have a link for that it would be great, I do know that GoG actually puts effort into making sure the old games work on modern OS's while Steam doesn't. Maybe that's connected.

Also if they removed the pricing issue then how is it an issue anymore? It just show's that they are willing to listen to people. People were praising Steam for deciding to remove the paid mod system and listen to their customers.

We don't know why CDPR isn't giving keys to GMG but we do know that GMG have gone down a route that is against the reason why people trust them and specifically in CDPR case now it really could be the same as buying from G2A because we don't know where the keys are from, which is why CDPR said what they said.

He worded it poorly. They did not remove the pricing issue. They still have regional pricing.

 

[linkent]

So GMG admits to re-selling keys. Why is there regional pricing then? GMG really wants to make money from charging Australia/Europe the usual extra, while the key itself doesn't cost them? Greedy shitheads.

They sell legit key for less for the customers
And people caling them greedy

CDPR want to everyone to sell at their price
Which is more expensive than GMG
They are not greedy at all.

 

[boskee]

He worded it poorly. They did not remove the pricing issue. They still have regional pricing.

Yes, and they give the difference back in store credit. Truly anti-consumerist conduct. Oh the greed.

 

[hobblygobbly]

I think it is irresponsible of CDPR to be so public like this that it is affecting GMG's reputation without evidence.

I would kindly ask our fans no to buy via GMG at this time. We had not sold them Keys and dont know the origin of them.

This should not be something you say publicly without knowing what's up because this is a smear campaign at this point. Its in their own wording "don't know the origin of them". Unprofessional and irresponsible.

If what GMG says is true and they acquired their copies from approved third parties/retailers by CDPR then GMG has done nothing wrong and CDPR is upset because they didn't want to compete with GMG to begin with it seems. There's nothing stopping GMG from stocking and selling the game as long as they are acquired appropriately which according to GMG it is and telling the public not to buy from GMG is anti-competitive and a smear campaign especially when the burden of proof lies on CDPR at this point.

 

[Sijil]

yes they do. And they can undercur nearly everyone else because they offer discounts for owners of the previous games on both Steam and GOG. This discount is not available anywhere else. Again something so they can just try and get people to get GOG version.

You can get the same discount for the Steam version, effectively matching the price, not sure if the same discount is available on Uplay and Origin, tho Origin did recently add Witcher 1 and 2 to its library, so they're not forcing anyone to get the GOG version since you can get the Steam version for the same price.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Yeah I know, I said as much. I'm just saying that it would be a legitimate reason for a publisher to refuse selling products to a store... if it were true. But in this case, it's not. So what remains is the fact that GMG competes directly with GOG. Unless there's another reason I can't think of.

Looking at it as a whole-
CDPR has worked with GMG over W2.
CDPR and GOG are tied.
GOG recently announced GoGalaxy. Or whatever it's called.
Suddenly they refuse to sale for GMG. The reason we *believe* they're not working with is because GMG tends to heavily undercut competition.
GMG, feeling 'betrayed', buys keys from an unknown company that is authorized to sale W3.
GMG decides to HEAVILY undercut competition by selling it $20 cheaper.
CDPR, catching wind of this, denounces GMG and says 'Hey we don't know where you guys got your keys from'.
GMG shoots back saying 'We got the keys from an authorized seller of W3. We tried to work out a deal with CDPR, but they neglected and ignored us.'

Ball is back on CDPRs court, but the balls starting to look deflated at that point. The reason why, IMO, CDPR didn't make a deal with GMG, knowing their tendencies to undercut competition, is that they didn't want to have a service that's supposed to compete with Steam, Origin, what have you, arrive dead on the water by the time W3 released because of a popular game being undercut by a huge amount. Unfortunately, that happened anyway. And at this point, like Tidal, would anyone REALLY migrate over to Galaxy if they're already on Steam/Origin/uPlay? GoGs biggest push for that, Witcher 3, is arriving soon. That could've been a HUGE sale for the Galaxy service. I'm extremely interested in seeing where it goes from here.

~~~
Someone mentioned that corporations aren't your friends. And yeah, I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Chariot]

If what GMG says is true and they acquired their copies from approved third parties/retailers by CDPR then GMG has done nothing wrong and CDPR is upset because they didn't want to compete with GMG to begin with it seems. There's nothing stopping GMG from stocking and selling the game as long as they are acquired appropriately which according to GMG it is and telling the public not to buy from GMG is anti-competitive and a smear campaign especially when the burden of proof lies on CDPR at this point.

That's the big question though. We can discuss all we want, but we lack the crucial information how and where GMG got the keys from. From this point on it still can be on any of them.

 

[RipperGrim]

I think it is irresponsible of CDPR to be so public like this that it is affecting GMG's reputation without evidence.



This should not be something you say publicly without knowing what's up because this is a smear campaign at this point. Its in their own wording "don't know the origin of them". Unprofessional and irresponsible.

If what GMG says is true and they acquired their copies from approved third parties/retailers by CDPR then GMG has done nothing wrong and CDPR is upset because they didn't want to compete with GMG to begin with it seems. There's nothing stopping GMG from stocking and selling the game as long as they are acquired appropriately which according to GMG it is and telling the public not to buy from GMG is anti-competitive and a smear campaign especially when the burden of proof lies on CDPR at this point.

What if what GMG said isn't true? They haven't revealed where they are getting their keys what they are doing now in CDPR's case wit the Witcher 3 is like any other key seller out there.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

That's the big question though. We can discuss all we want, but we lack the crucial information how and where GMG got the keys from. From this point on it still can be on any of them.

What if what GMG said isn't true? They haven't revealed where they are getting their keys what they are doing now in CDPR's case wit the Witcher 3 is like any other key seller out there.

I imagine if GMG announced which company was selling them keys, that GoG/CDPR would deactivate those keys, send another batch to the company(as they already paid for it), making a logistical nightmare for the unknown party and GMG. This is why they can't say who they brought it from...

....Granted we'll have to wait and see. Like it's been mentioned, CDPR/GoG can buy a key off GMG, and figure out which batch that key was in and disable them that way. But if they wait until release to do that, that would look incredibly bad on them. If they did it before release, than GMG would be the one facing the fallout because they weren't able to deliver keys on time because their source had to replace the keys....I'm trying to make sense of what would happen if truths came out right now.

 

[boskee]

I imagine if GMG announced which company was selling them keys, that GoG/CDPR would deactivate those keys, send another batch to the company(as they already paid for it), making a logistical nightmare for the unknown party and GMG. This is why they can't say who they brought it from...

That would be illegal in the supplier didn't breach contract with CDPR.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

That would be illegal in the supplier didn't breach contract with CDPR.

Would it really? Hrm. Interesting.

 

[boskee]

Would it really? Hrm. Interesting.

They can not stop the sale of legally obtained keys, it would also make them petty and would warrant all criticism. It would be different if the middle man had no contractual right to sell GMG those keys. Then CDPR can go ahead and revoke them. At this point we have no idea where the keys came from and GMG refusal to tell CDPR who their source is, is shady.

 

[Chariot]

Would it really? Hrm. Interesting.

Of course it would be. Even if you don't want someone to buy and sell your product, you can't really take away that product when they bought it via a middlemen you allowed to sell.

However thrre would be roundabout ways like future retaliation like CDPR not allowing the middlemen to get their keys for sale like GMG.

Not saying that CDPR would do that, just saying.

 

[Kiyo]

They can not stop the sale of legally obtained keys, it would also make them petty and would warrant all criticism. It would be different if the middle man had no contractual right to sell GMG those keys. Then CDPR can go ahead and revoke them. At this point we have no idea where the keys came from and GMG denial to tell CDPR the source is shady.

It could hurt relations between CDPR and GMG's supplier though. No need to damage that relationship unnecessarily.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

What smear campaign?

If you are referring to the comment of the Witcher forum mod that GMG sells stolen keys, you should know that those mods do not work for CDP, they are volunteers, unpaid and certainly do not represent CDP.

They might be unpaid volunteers, but they absolutely do represent CDP.

 

[boskee]

It could hurt relations between CDPR and GMG's supplier though. No need to damage that relationship unnecessarily.

Again, if CDPR would do that it would make them petty and I'd be the first to throw a rock. I can't imagine them snubbing the middle man if what they did was contractually kosher. That would also make them an unreliable business partner. It's highly unlikely, we're not talking about high school kids.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Again, if CDPR would do that it would make them petty and I'd be the first to throw a rock. I can't imagine them snubbing the middle man if what they did was contractually kosher. That would also make them an unreliable business partner. It's highly unlikely, we're not talking about high school kids.

Couldn't the argument be made that they've already thrown the first stone by snubbing GMG despite having worked with them before W2? And not only that but them saying 'GMG was a legit partner during W2' and then not wanting to work with them over W3, even when it was GMG approaching them?

 

[Catshade]

....Granted we'll have to wait and see. Like it's been mentioned, CDPR/GoG can buy a key off GMG, and figure out which batch that key was in and disable them that way. But if they wait until release to do that, that would look incredibly bad on them. If they did it before release, than GMG would be the one facing the fallout because they weren't able to deliver keys on time because their source had to replace the keys....I'm trying to make sense of what would happen if truths came out right now.

CDPR/GOG can buy a key off GMG right now, but they won't get their key right away. GMG usually only distribute keys to their customers a few days before the release date.

 

[Tovarisc]

They might be unpaid volunteers, but they absolutely do represent CDP.

Statements of volunteer mods are never recognized as statements of the company. Company doesn't employ them.

What such mod says can reflect on said company if people, like this thread, start pushing angle how word of an volunteer mod is word of said company.

Edit: Funnily enough one could make an argument that this thread is smearing reputation of CDP/GOG because use of made up "facts" etc.

Couldn't the argument be made that they've already thrown the first stone by snubbing GMG despite having worked with them before W2? And not only that but them saying 'GMG was a legit partner during W2' and then not wanting to work with them over W3, even when it was GMG approaching them?

I call that making business decisions. CDP made business decision not to partner up with GMG and I don't see how that is "throwing rocks". Not every outlet have every product on the shelves.

 

[liezryou]

therefore we made the decision to indirectly secure the product and deliver it to our customers

This needs to be included in the OP. GMG decided to go the shady cd key reseller route rather then respect the wishes of the publisher that they not sell their game.

Despite their reasons, CDPR have ever right to refuse a store/market to sell their product. Same as how EA has a right to refuse to sell their games outside of origin. We may not like it, but it's their right because it's their product.

I for one will never be buying from GMG again because of this little fiasco. This is like a little 5 year olds reaction: "Waaah CDPR won't let me officially sell their game so i'm going to go shady and resell cd keys."

GMG's entire mission was to become an authorized retailer of digital distribution, doing this just shows their hypocrisy for the extra $$$. They are no better then G2A/Kinguin/cdkeys.com/etc.

 

[runnin_blue]

Again, if CDPR would do that it would make them petty and I'd be the first to throw a rock. I can't imagine them snubbing the middle man if what they did was contractually kosher. That would also make them an unreliable business partner. It's highly unlikely, we're not talking about high school kids.

I feel I should quote myself from about 10 pages back as it got lost in the kerfuffle. I don't think it's highly unlikely, as you can see from my story. Pressure on suppliers by publishers etc in these types of situations, can happen.

Ok. I worked for an independent game store. One day an EB Games moved in right next to us and started undercutting our prices. We are a small, privately owned business and couldn't survive in that environment. So we started importing our games from legitimate wholesalers overseas so we could remain competitive. EB Games started calling the local game publishers to report us and complain. One of them called us (I think it was Take 2). Their representative tried to tell us to stop selling imported games (and also to stop occasionally breaking street date). We asked him to tell us what laws we were breaking. He couldn't. Then he tried to get us to tell him who our suppliers were, so they could put pressure on them to stop supplying us, no doubt. We politely declined.

End result? We are still able to import and sell games from legitimate resellers as there is no laws against it (in my country anyway).

I see this situation as very similar to the GMG/CDPR saga.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Statements of volunteer mods are never recognized as statements of the company. Company doesn't employ them.

What such mod says can reflect on said company if people, like this thread, start pushing angle how word of an volunteer mod is word of said company.

People don't need to "push" for a statement by someone in a position of authority on an official corporate messaging outlet to be perceived as being representative of the company that that messaging outlet belongs to.

It is perceived to be - at least - tacitly condoned by the company in question.
If it was not it would be removed and the company would distance themselves from that message.

 

[Tovarisc]

People don't need to "push" for a statement by someone in a position of authority on an official corporate messaging outlet to be perceived as being representative of the company that that messaging outlet belongs to.

It is perceived to be - at least - tacitly condoned by the company in question.
If it was not it would be removed and the company would distance themselves from that message.

And get accused of censorship and hiding things from the public because they deleted message that was there, screencapped by user X and then deleted by company. They really don't need that shitshow landing on their doorstep, keeping those mod posts up is a lot more honest.

Even if and when such volunteer mod statements do not represent official stance or thinking of CDP in regards to GMG.