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[cripterion]

These threads are a bit daft. People need to realise that promotional material before the game is complete is not indicative of the final product. Every developer has high targets and starts out seeing which of these they can hit if any but as the game nears completion various aspects usually have to be altered or reworked depending upon multiple factors, those primarily being stability and gameplay. Sometimes the entire game can be reworked as it wasn't hitting the goals. If you want to see gameplay prior to a games release then you are going to have to put up with work that is intended purely for promotional purposes and therefore not realistic in its depiction of the final product, usually what you are seeing pre-release is a vertical slice taking elements that are being worked on and fleshing them out in a consumer friendly manner, if they actually showed you how the game was looking it wouldn't be far off from the Mass Effect presentation at E3 last year.

In this instance it is clearly depicted as "conceptual prototype" though.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

I don't know why a downgrade thread exists before the game has been released, and proper comparisons can be made. Until then this thread seems pointless.

 

[Inkvoterad]

You still haven't played TW3, and you dont know if there's gonna be shitty filler quests.

They have noted several times that they hate fetch quests and from the many impressions we've gotten so far none have been complaining about fetch quests.

The game doesnt suddently have to be a complete piece of shit as soon as we hear about downgrades.

 

[Kama_1082]

So why do people trust companies anyway? They want to sell the product for a high price to the consumer, it is not an uncommon method to sell you something and leave things out which have been advertised, one of the reasons there are a lot of law suits, because as of today companies promise you something which the product doesn't have and falls under false advertising. So if people are that angry because of the downgrade, why not starting a petition for that? Was there a petition for Watch_Dogs? So business seems always at fault and the customer is the one which was betrayed, problem is, you as a customer you have the duty to use your common sense and to question things.
Your example is the Rolex, the jewelry store sells me a "fake" Rolex for say $200, you as a customer should say this cannot be right, same equals to companies which show you the best graphics in the reveal trailers, it cannot be achieved especially when a game with an open world setting, because this is heavy on the GPU and CPU.

Because people have spent $$$$ on those rose colored Ray Bans.

 

[BigTnaples]

The PC screenshot thread will be the true test.

 

[Orcastar]

These threads are a bit daft. People need to realise that promotional material before the game is complete is not indicative of the final product. Every developer has high targets and starts out seeing which of these they can hit if any but as the game nears completion various aspects usually have to be altered or reworked depending upon multiple factors, those primarily being stability and gameplay. Sometimes the entire game can be reworked as it wasn't hitting the goals. If you want to see gameplay prior to a games release then you are going to have to put up with work that is intended purely for promotional purposes and therefore not realistic in its depiction of the final product, usually what you are seeing pre-release is a vertical slice taking elements that are being worked on and fleshing them out in a consumer friendly manner, if they actually showed you how the game was looking it wouldn't be far off from the Mass Effect presentation at E3 last year.

Exactly. And the thing is, this has always been the case. The video game industry has been doing this for decades. This is the way the industry operates and the way it will continue to operate in the future.

I mean sure, you're free to argue that stuff like this shouldn't happen, but anyone who's genuinely surprised or outraged that it does just hasn't been paying attention.

 

[SaberEdge]

Eh, I think this comes pretty close.

http://i.imgur.com/G2kWij9.gif

I do too. That looks incredible.

 

[MiszMasz]

If you knowingly sell me a fake Rolex as if it were real at your jewelry store, one that had a reputation for being honest and clean unlike other jewelry places around town, both from a legal and ethical standpoint the business is primarily at fault.

To put them on equal ground in terms of blame is absurd. People rightfully trusted cd project red because of their reputation, guarantees and promises. Individual culpability is certainly in play, but it is weighted much, much lower in terms of fault in this situation.

The game's still not out for over a week, and you can still cancel your preorder. Since the initial videos there have been plenty of more recent vids and images so that you can see how the game is shaping up. They haven't sold you anything, and you've had and still have ample time to change your mind about your purchase.
The game has changed over the last couple of years, but that's been no secret and the claims of deception are very tenuous at this point.

 

[Inkvoterad]

I rest my case.

Ah yes, i suppose we shut just shut about literally all discussions about this game since no one here has played it yet.

 

[Kama_1082]

They have noted several times that they hate fetch quests and from the many impressions we've gotten so far none have been complaining about fetch quests.

The game doesnt suddently have to be a complete piece of shit as soon as we hear about downgrades.

CDPR also said that they didn't downgrade so...


And I didn't even mention fetch quests, just useless filler quests and in a "200 hour" game, there's sure to be some.

 

[Skux]

Look at the HUD, the compression on that picture is fucking horrible.

This thread is a ridiculous creation until people actually have the game and can capture ultra settings at full 1080p.

If anything, 1080p screenshots will make the differences even more noticeable.

 

[cripterion]

The PC screenshot thread will be the true test.

I'd rather see the game in motion, give me webms!

 

[His Majesty]

They have noted several times that they hate fetch quests and from the many impressions we've gotten so far none have been complaining about fetch quests.

The game doesnt suddently have to be a complete piece of shit as soon as we hear about downgrades.

Everything is shit!

 

[Ostinatto]

I don't know why a downgrade thread exists before the game has been released, and proper comparisons can be made. Until then this thread seems pointless.

Because the game went gold long ago, and we have footage of the final product. isn't that anough?

 

[Novum_Veritas]

Because people have spent $$$$ on those rose colored Ray Bans.

So that tells me people pre-order without using common sense or using their brains.
That is the plain and simple answer, so people shouldn't complain they have lied to them, if they know they will be lied to do not pre-order and wait for the press or for the releases of the game, rent it and just see the finished product all by your self.

 

[Dhruv_hanom]

Look at the HUD, the compression on that picture is fucking horrible.

This thread is a ridiculous creation until people actually have the game and can capture ultra settings at full 1080p.

The difference goes beyond resolution and compression

 

[Nemesis121]

I don't know why a downgrade thread exists before the game has been released, and proper comparisons can be made. Until then this thread seems pointless.

Game has broke release date, videos of the final product exist now..

 

[DarkLordMalik]

HB lateral

This just shows the most obvious "downgrade" i.e the Foliage. The game is definitely "downgraded" in a lot of ways other than foliage but it also received a little face lift here and there. Character Models are mostly the same, I think.

For an open world game with such a huge scope, it looks pretty good actually. Sucks that the original reveal was not matched but they probably weren't as "open" as we were led to believe.

 

[Syder]

WTF IS THAT ON HIS EYES ?

this remind me of this

DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T WANT NIGHTMARES

Why. the. fuck. didn't I heed your warning... I have that phobia and now I'm sitting in a sweat, itching all over.

Great.

 

[Galileo]

Look at the vegetation in each of the screenshots. Vegetation got a huge downgrade. Anyone who says otherwise is blind.

Don't agree, vegetation has clearly been altered in color and shape but it's still very dense so I don't see a "huge downgrade", though I'll hold my judgement until we have a proper comparison.
What seems to have been scaled back a bit is LOD and draw distance, but some gifs (like Geralt on the balcony) don't seem to confirm that.

 

[Kama_1082]

So that tells me people pre-order without using common sense or using their brains, that is the plain and simple answer, so people shouldn't complain they have lied to them, if they know they will be lied to do not pre order and wait for the press or for the releases of the game, rent it and just see the finished product all by your self.

Not much about the price of the game, but people dropping a good chunk of change on this game because of previous footage.

 

[Novum_Veritas]

Game has broke release date, videos of the final product exist now..

Videos and screenshots which are compressed like shit, great for compare it to the real stuff you see with your own eyes on your different setup...totally legit.

 

[WetTreeLeaf]

Character Models are mostly the same, I think.

Youre wrong about this one, character models are way better in the recent gameplay trailers. Old character models were straight rip from the Witcher 2 engine and they look the part.

 

[Inkvoterad]

CDPR also said that they didn't downgrade so...


And I didn't even mention fetch quests, just useless filler quests and in a "200 hour" game, there's sure to be some.

Fetch/filler usually ends up working together, assumed fetch would work for both.

 

[MiszMasz]

Not much about the price of the game, but people dropping a good chunk of change on this game because of previous footage.

You can still cancel your preorder and have been able to for a long time since the more recent images and footage came out.

 

[Jonm1010]

So why do people trust companies anyway? They want to sell the product for a high price to the consumer, it is not an uncommon method to sell you something and leave things out which have been advertised, one of the reasons there are a lot of law suits, because as of today companies promise you something which the product doesn't have and falls under false advertising. So if people are that angry because of the downgrade, why not starting a petition for that? Was there a petition for Watch_Dogs? So business seems always at fault and the customer is the one which was betrayed, problem is, you as a customer you have the duty to use your common sense and to question things.
Your example is the Rolex, the jewelry store sells me a "fake" Rolex for say $200, you as a customer should say this cannot be right, same equals to companies which show you the best graphics in the reveal trailers, it cannot be achieved especially when a game with an open world setting, because this is heavy on the GPU and CPU.

You clearly are just trying to talk past me and not actually engage with what I am saying. So I am going to move on. No need to continue repeating the point about putting this in proper context when you just want to apply generalities you have established that don't really apply when you unpack the details of this particular scenario.

But you keep trying to shuffle things around and blame the victims here. Or act like the guy that just got sold a fake Rolex at full price from a reputable company is somehow as morally culpable as the person who bought from the shady jewelry guy on the corner everyone warns you about.

 

[Setsuna]

No but we have both the journalist and youtuber impressions. And they are pretty damn good.

going by the impressions of dragon age we barely knew anything about the game

 

[Kama_1082]

Videos and screenshots which are compressed like shit, great for compare it to the real stuff you see with your own eyes on your different setup...totally legit.

If people can notice the downgrade on compressed pictures, what does that tell you? The downgrade will look that much more when it releases.

 

[icecold1983]

Why. the. fuck. didn't I heed your warning... I have that phobia and now I'm sitting in a sweat, itching all over.

Great.

wasnt this proven to be fake?

 

[pettson3816]

New screenshot. Downgrade confirmed.

/end circlejerk

Why are her boobs above her arms though? Lo-res textures (if any at all), terrible geometry, bad view distance.. Clearly downgraded. The only good thing I see about this screenshot is that enemies have mounts, I didn't know that actually.

 

[SaberEdge]

How can there be a Battlefront downgrade if that will be the first time the gameplay is shown?

Because some people somehow can't comprehend that cinematic trailers are always going to leave a better impression than raw uncut gameplay.

The first gameplay demo of The Witcher 3 was shown at E3 2014. Newer gameplay footage looks just as good as that demo, if not somewhat more polished.

 

[Jonm1010]

The game's still not out for over a week, and you can still cancel your preorder. Since the initial videos there have been plenty of more recent vids and images so that you can see how the game is shaping up. They haven't sold you anything, and you've had and still have ample time to change your mind about your purchase.
The game has changed over the last couple of years, but that's been no secret and the claims of deception are very tenuous at this point.

This was in the context of a conversation about people that may have upgraded their computers in anticipation of early footage that the devs have since promised would still be as good, if not better in the final game.

 

[usp84]

Guys... I... Think... The... Dream... Is... Dead...

Yeah the game doesnt look anything like this but i still like what i see(for example that gif from the balcony which is great)

 

[Kosh]

Not much about the price of the game, but people dropping a good chunk of change on this game because of previous footage.

On what? A new graphics card? Unless you're going to pull that new GTX 980 out right after you're done playing TW3 and never use it for anything else, then that's a poor argument.

 

[Skux]

Remember when games looked better on release than in the previews?

 

[astroturfing]

what's so wrong with manipulating the dumb consumer masses with slightly souped up visual fidelity? they can get more people to buy their product that way. it's smart and isn't illegal (hopefully).. argh fuck it, i don't wanna troll.. i really hate this shit. so goddamn spineless and pathetic on the developers' part to not even admit they toned down the visuals from the initial reveal. taints the whole game for me

 

[Novum_Veritas]

You clearly are just trying to talk past me and not actually engage with what I am saying. So I am going to move on. No need to continue repeating the point about putting this in proper context when you just want to apply generalities you have established that don't really apply when you unpack the details of this particular scenario.

But you keep trying to shuffle things around and blame the victims here. Or act like the guy that just got sold a fake Rolex at full price from a reputable company is somehow as morally culpable as the person who bought from the shady jewelry guy on the corner everyone warns you about.

What do you want to say ? And I do not talk past you, I'm not understanding your point, your point seems to be Rolex is a trusted company and if I buy a fake one, my trust in them is shattered? I'm blaming both, companies and customers, companies can only do these certain things, because customers are allowing them to, not getting what is so hard to understand about that, seems you are protecting the customers here.

 

[Hans.Gruber]

These threads are a bit daft. People need to realise that promotional material before the game is complete is not indicative of the final product. Every developer has high targets and starts out seeing which of these they can hit if any but as the game nears completion various aspects usually have to be altered or reworked depending upon multiple factors, those primarily being stability and gameplay.[....]

I totally agree that the game has been downgraded, but I really can't understand how people can be so surprised by it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
To me E3 and GC are dog and pony shows where they show us the most beautiful scenes of the most beautiful version to get us hyped up. Show business works that way.

E3 video:

Retail console version:

Has been that way, will be that way. Sucks but we all should anticipate these downgrades and rather be surprised if they don't happen.

 

[Jonm1010]

On what? A new graphics card? Unless you're going to pull that new GTX 980 out right after you're done playing TW3 and never use it for anything else, then that's a poor argument.

If you didn't see a need to upgrade this soon but did in anticipation and promise of this game then it is a completely valid hypothetical.

Absent the game the hypothetical person likely wouldn't have upgraded at that time, with those current market prices, with that level of hardware.

 

[MiszMasz]

This was in the context of a conversation about people that may have upgraded their computers in anticipation of early footage that the devs have since promised would still be as good, if not better in the final game.

With the speed at which PC components are phased out and updated in the marketplace, anyone who shelled out for a pricey, new system on the initial reveal made their own mistake. When i built my last computer, within a year i could have got significantly better graphics hardware for about the same price. You don't build a system for a particular game well in advance of said game actually coming out (if at all for a particular game).
Everyone has had ample time to wait and see the more recent appearance of the game.

So at best, this argument boils down to "I may have spent more on my new system than necessary, but i don't actually know because i've not tried running the game yet, and in the worst case i'll have decent specs that'll last me a while for gaming in general."

 

[Yudoken]

I remember there being people defending and/or pretending there was no downgrade in DS2's case as well.

I still know one absurdly hard core FROM fan who thinks that you can get it to look like the E3 stuff with mods, he doesn't somehow understand that there it does not look as good as the shown stuff at all.
Honestly, I won't talk about this with my friends, there is no reason why I should argue with them about stuff like this.
Some of them take it personally (only a few but still) and I still personally am sad that you can't trust any stuff before the games comes out especially from AAA devs which release the best version on pc.
In my opinion there should be consequences if the shown "in-game" material in videos does not resemble the graphics in the finished product (which still looks good, but not as great as before).

 

[Ostinatto]

I totally agree that the game has been downgraded, but I really can't understand how people can be so surprised by it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
To me E3 and GC are dog and pony shows where they show us the most beautiful scenes of the most beautiful version to get us hyped up. Show business works that way.

E3 video:
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/1/15693/1249159-johansson__scarlett_108.jpg

Retail console version:
http://assets8.heart.co.uk/2013/12/scarlett-johansson-no-makeup-1364400120-view-1.jpg

Has been that way, will be that way. Sucks but we all should anticipate these downgrades and rather be surprised if they don't happen.

OMG so she is not blonde?

 

[Portugeezer]

Good. Now we have one topic for all this shit.

Then at least there is one good thing about this thread.

 

[OmegaDL50]

We have people questioning the quality of the actual gameplay because of the visual downgrade, even despite youtubers and some streamers playing the game with at least 12 hours worth having a positive sentiment of the gameplay mechanics.

I believe we come full circle.

 

[ohyouagain]

No one spends $2000 on a PC just for Witcher 3, they weren't planning to destroy their PCs after finishing the game.

The Witcher 3 is (or was) the biggest incentive currently to upgrade your hardware. And many people rightly guess that you would need bleeding edge components to get an experience close to what was presented.

So the higher sum spent.

 

[Syder]

wasnt this proven to be fake?

Just looking at it is enough to set me off unfortunately. *Shivers*

 

[Kama_1082]

You can still cancel your preorder and have been able to for a long time since the more recent images and footage came out.

Doh, I meant hardware.

 

[DieH@rd]

I could even accept this new type of foliage more easily if the individual leaves [or even smaller branches] were moving more independently. But currently very big parts of foliage are fixed into static position, and then those big pieces are just flapping like mad. Instead of small individual movements of leaves or branches, entire trees are flexing like mad even on winds that are not such bad.

 

[Chariot]

OMG so she is not blonde?

Downgraded from masterrace to only white privilege. The shame.

 

[Kama_1082]

We have people questioning the quality of the actual gameplay because of the visual downgrade, even despite youtubers and some streamers playing the game with at least 12 hours worth having a positive sentiment of the gameplay mechanics.

I believe we come full circle.

I recall YouTubers who said the same about DAI