Hero_of_the_Day
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Still my most hyped game ever, and I'm sure it'll still be amazing. But, damn, that's certainly a pretty decent downgrade. Hope it runs great maxed out on my Titan X.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Mods will be able to change the current model of grass [make it less low-res], but they will probably not be able to add MORE types of grass to increase density and variability.
We shall see.
Novum_Veritas
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Technical limitations while in dev mode, would be my guess.
Turin Turambar
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I hope a SSD will help with the pop-ups.
Yep. Same LOD & textures on PC and Xbox One... Great stuff, haha.
Novum_Veritas
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To tell you the truth, I played TW2 PC recently, have an SSD installed and there was texture pop in too, and it was the EE edition.
What do we need to do for devs to STOP showing bullshit targets? Just about every single game over promises on graphics/presentation. I think Bloodborne is one of the few who actually showed real development stuff even with their internal Project Beast trailer, but ironically Demon's Souls 2 was perhaps the most disheartening personally.
I don't care if the game still looks good, that's not the point. The point is that we are always being oversold
I don't care if the game still looks good, that's not the point. The point is that we are always being oversold
You're really exegerating here.
110% would be more these.
Yes, I'm actually comparing the same scenes at the same time of the day while the OP didn't do it for Witcher 3.
I'm talking specifically about people coming into the thread to question why the thread exists. People saying the game still looks fine is perfectly okay in here because it is on topic, so i completely agree, but that's not what i'm talking about. The issue is people questioning why people are arguing (in this thread specifically, that was created for arguing so people don't get annoyed) and people saying that they're annoyed that people keep arguing (in a thread that was created so that people can argue without others getting annoyed)
Okay, I change my views then. Game was held back on PC because of the Xbone.
BigTnaples
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Indeed. And providing all of those graphical features are still in, that scene should be somewhat reproducible in the final game.
Same ToD and Weather provided.
We know that volume based translucency is still in because we see it everywhere, no real reason to think they got rid of the clouds and fog, as it seems to be in some more current footage in seperate scenes as well.
The real thing that will make or break recreating that scene is foliage density, and draw distance. Everything else should be reproducible on PC ultra, considering most if not all of the techniques in that video are clearly still being used in final code.
I actually think that this downgrade is perfectly comparable with the Watch_Dogs one.
Those gif in the op are from a completely different game.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Well it looks fun to play *shrugs*
Should I be worried about that?
Should I be worried about that?
jim2point0
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Those are definitely not the same times of day in the Watch Dogs comparison. The PC shot was taken at night (theater sign is lit up), but that scene in the E3 shot was definitely not night time (you can see the sun hitting the ground).
true so why not just show that? The game looks great but now it doesn't look target render bullshot great which is disappointing.
I don't know who to blame. The marketing teams who create that expectation or the people who consume it without thinking. either way I expect the cycle to continue at E3.
Anaxymenes was right, CDPR should have been honest instead of all this misleading.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132704069&postcount=310
What hurt is CDPR insist of no downgrade even when it was very clear. people who went into media black thinking the game will be like the early trailers will buy the game based on that and it'll not look like that.
the sad thing is CDPR will most likely get out of this with no big sites talking about this, just like Dark Souls 2 downgrade that got the pass because "From is good" and unlike Ubi soft and Watch Dog which got articles about it every where. but the thing is, EA or CDPR or Ubi or From, it's the same thing, showing a downgrade this late is false advertising and I hope no one get a free pass for doing this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132704069&postcount=310
What hurt is CDPR insist of no downgrade even when it was very clear. people who went into media black thinking the game will be like the early trailers will buy the game based on that and it'll not look like that.
the sad thing is CDPR will most likely get out of this with no big sites talking about this, just like Dark Souls 2 downgrade that got the pass because "From is good" and unlike Ubi soft and Watch Dog which got articles about it every where. but the thing is, EA or CDPR or Ubi or From, it's the same thing, showing a downgrade this late is false advertising and I hope no one get a free pass for doing this.
That definitely looks real-time and rendered in game to me.
Emperor_Uriel
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It's really always the lighting that gets screwed.
This one isn't a downgrade. It's a prerendered cutscene in the game. It's simply a difference in lighting and post production (like the early Order 1886 screenshots before they added the fog and filters). And if you look at the bus window there's actually additional decorations.
BigTnaples
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Oh god. You posted the Uncharted 3 fake downgrade images.
Novum_Veritas
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Honest question, did any of the companies ever got sued for false advertising or downgrading in court ? Or got a law suit for that?
KoopaTheCasual
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Are you unironically using that Uncharted 3 shot, that's been debunked hundreds of times, since it's a cinematic, and not even a real-time cutscene?
longdi
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God tier target render bullshot.
The sad thing is this target render didn't even look that amazing. It was nowhere like PS3 Motorstorm CGI. It seemed like a nice achievable leap from Rockstar RDR.
I would have expected an engine built for next gen shaders and running through today's $999 GPU and $999 CPU to look just as nice. Just what is holding back today's realtime graphics?
Manpower?
Time, money to work on these highres assets?
DarthWalden
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People should get used to this. These games are being designed on hardware that is way more powerful than either console and then made to work on them. I don't think it's misrepresentation because stuff shown at e3 are clearly a work in progress
Novum_Veritas
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E3 is false advertising too, because most games on consoles are running on PC's or well PS4 or XOne SDK's, so they are more powerful.
The thing is E3 is totally misleading how the final product will look, and people buy into that.
Lady Siara
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It's my own fault for thinking CDPR was above this kind of nonsense. Live and learn, I suppose.
crazyrabbits
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The "work in progress" argument only makes sense when the work in question is in a shoddy state and is being promised to work better at release. This, technically, is the opposite - promising higher-quality visuals than it's delivering.
I don't think many console players are moaning, to be honest. The game looks fine considering the hardware - especially on the X1.
It's just disappointing on PC.
We'll need a few more hand wringing threads like this before people get used to it.
DarthWalden
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These game are "work in progress" when shown at E3. I'm not sure you can consider that false advertising.
Some people won't learn. Different threads for different topics. It's the same as with every DF thread "oh I don't care if the game looks worse on X than on Y, all I need is fun". Yeah of course fun should be above everything else but that's not the damn topic. Well enough complaining lets get back counting those grass blades...1..2..
Novum_Veritas
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Hm, people believed that the W3 E3 trailer will be like the final product, most people do not differ between WIP or final game. E3 is the culprit here.
Admiral Woofington
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Is it a downgrade? Yes
Does it bother me as much as Watchdogs? No. Call me a hypocrite but I know the game will deliver and it is easily the most impressive open world title out there. I doubt ANY PS4 open world title will look as good any time soon.
Does it bother me as much as Watchdogs? No. Call me a hypocrite but I know the game will deliver and it is easily the most impressive open world title out there. I doubt ANY PS4 open world title will look as good any time soon.
Work in progress makes no such assertion. That is your inference.
What you should take from work in progress is that it might be different than the final product. There are things that have improved since earlier media.
Psycho_Mantis
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sees UC3 comparison.....lol
GreyOcelot
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so, how come pc versions get downgraded too? i understand problems here or there and changes that need to be made to scale the game properly, but a lot of this stuff reeks of devs showing shit off that they know they won't be able to achieve when the time comes
Bloodborne was downgraded?
Novum_Veritas
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Embargo ends 12th May, not sure about that though.
crazyrabbits
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Really, that's the inference of anything that's labeled as a work in progress - it's in an unfinished state and will presumably be improved by release.
We can debate semantics all day, but the point is that for whatever reason, the graphics clearly aren't as good as they were in 2013.
Difficult to justify an investment that only reaches one third of your audience, even lower as not everyone has powerful PCs.
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