IGN: Splatoon's lack of voice chat is "cheap and lazy"
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I'm fine with no chat, especially with how the map gives pretty much all the info you need - where you are, where your opponents are if someone sees them, where the paint is located, etc.
Good players and good teammates will rely on their own intuition and nobody will be at a disadvantage from opting out of chat. Once we have 4 v. 4 team matches with friends, however, I would like to see a chat feature enabled. That would make more sense...
Honestly, it seems like Nintendo's team spent a lot of time crafting this game experience and are making the conscious decision not to have it mucked up by a feature that likely wouldn't add much at all. :\
Good players and good teammates will rely on their own intuition and nobody will be at a disadvantage from opting out of chat. Once we have 4 v. 4 team matches with friends, however, I would like to see a chat feature enabled. That would make more sense...
Honestly, it seems like Nintendo's team spent a lot of time crafting this game experience and are making the conscious decision not to have it mucked up by a feature that likely wouldn't add much at all. :\
and you can have an option for people to turn off voice chat if they don't like it
why is this so complicated for some
That's what I've been gathering from your posts but I might be misreading and if that's the case I'm sorry. I still don't understand the point of bringing up the child demographic though.
Yeah I dunno man, my opinion is that Nintendo has some of the most toxic fans online. There's always a major flaw with each Nintendo system and this becomes each fanboys Achilles heel. Like I remember posting on gamefaqs back When the Wii was first shown off, ninty fanboys were going nuts over the graphics saying how it's gonna rock the 360 etc. Then the truth came out. Then they became all about gameplay and who cares about graphics. Then the Wii U was announced, repeat the same process.
It's just weird I agree.
I'm not the one who brought it up.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
It's barbaric to not have voice chat in a team based game. In every sport you cooperate with team members, usually by voice but sometimes there are signals. To not have it all destroys and changes a key aspect of gameplay traditionally followed by millions for years.
They had to expect negative feedback from this. There's too much negative here that outweighs the positive. It's clear because there's a thread about it and people are clearly voicing opinions.
They had to expect negative feedback from this. There's too much negative here that outweighs the positive. It's clear because there's a thread about it and people are clearly voicing opinions.
There are signals.
krypt0nian
Banned
I've been meaning to say, I love your avatar. <3
You're comparing a 1v1 card game to a team based shooter? You don't need to strategize with your opponent.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Nintendo is insane when it comes to details.
Ninja Of Chaos
Member
No it is complaining because you cannot back any of this up. Unless Splatoon was released at one point with all of those things, those are just things you are whining about. Criticism is the game not achieving what it is trying to achieve. This is the equivalent of complaining that a TPS does not have FP camera. Pointless and illogical.
This thread and the previous one is a backlash, so I don't get what people mean about there being no backlash. A majority of the posts in here are either angry about it or replying to something dumb someone said, most of this topic isn't defending the lack of VC. There's many of us who think it's dumb that Nintendo didn't include it or are just indifferent to it, and instead we already made group chats in skype to prepare. Not everyone who doesn't agree with something is gonna spend their whole time posting about it on here, usually 1 or 2 posts to get it out there should be it. But this topic has pretty much devolved into someone saying stupid thing, then tons of posts going after it and mocking it and attributing it as the fanbase.
Squidboards has a total of like 1500 members and their owner is not even remotely the voice of the Splatoon community, really no one is. So not sure how this is a relevant point. The entire forum has 13,000 posts. THIS topic already has nearly 2000.
Also you're still wrong
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Yup it's as dumb as the guy comparing Splatoon to 1v1 Online chess earlier. Ridiculous.
Is it sad that I'd almost expect this? Smh.
There have been one or so early on I think but really I imagine any of the competitive clans in Splatoon who would join up to play in the Friend Matchmaking would resort to other higher quality clients regardless. If you're in for the competitive aspect, you'd be willing to compromise and go with better alternatives. Insofar most of them have managed just fine in creating internal conversation.
metalslimer
Member
Not surprised to see people defending the lack of options in a Nintendo game.
cloudstrife
Member
What about games like Destiny where communication is amongst your friends?
It wasn't until December that Bungie added the feature to optionally communicate with strangers. An option that can still be turned on and off with a d-pad.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I mean I may be someone who doesn't care much about not chatting with random people, but in all honesty, you have to be blind on this if you can't see how this is another decision that handicaps Splatoon's lasting power.
If you go back you can see a guy comparing Splatoon to modern army warfare. Not even kididng.
As I type this I am playing with my 11 y.o. son and his 14 y.o. cousin on PS4. Not online but we are ...'yucking it up'
I know what the person meant....but cmon. Some of us grown ppl are not all pedophiles because we yuck it up with kids playing a game. There are some forums on the net that unless you didnt know or ask or investigate you would assume all were adults. Shocked me that some folks were still in jr high school.
And this was a site devoted to many things Microsoft. But...we were all yucking it up on a forum.
Some of the excuses, defense of Nintendo is mind boggling.
Yup. Even when I mentioned TLoU....there is a map, and other visual clues is seeing bullets, arrows fly by, arrows sticking in something somewhere near you. Ppl that run show up on the map and you have limited use of Listening Mode (lets you see thru walls and finds enemies nearby.) And the enemy names are in a different color than yours. (your team blue, enemy red. Blue and red arrows for you and the enemy show on the map)
Voice chat is still nice and can add to that.
Amazing. And I guess I better stop talking to my son's 14 y.o. cousin because its creepy.
All this is Nintendo trying to continue to control what they think is the best for the gamer. For all the things they do thats good for gaming, they still have head scratching moments. Sony and MS too.
If you put 'grasshopper' at the very end there it would have been perfect..such a deep and motivational message. My life has turned upside down.
I swear negative nintendo related threads bring out the CRAZIEST defensive posts..it's hilarious.
oh then Nintendo should have gotten shit on by fans and not really fans alike at the time for this. Got a quote for us to confirm this?
No, the stupid is pretty uniform across everyone. Not just specific fans of specific platforms. You're describing your own projected notions, and how you feel about it
BigBadShamoo
Banned
I know. It's just not voice. BUT The voice technology ideology is available for use and they chose not to implement it.
This is what Nintendo gets for leaving out a feature used by many especially when it comes to the FPS genre.
Ninja Of Chaos
Member
I am comparing on the basis of what you posted. It is a great analogy.
And you are running in circles. It is irrelevant whether you think you ought to be interacting through voice.
Well, not hearing anything about about from them seems like a big deal. They're the ones who see it competitively viable and want to make it competitively viable. They're only concern on the board is LAN options. The fact that little to know one there has made much of a fuss about it is strange compared to what I see here.
This isn't an FPS?
I might try this now with my son and his cousin. I can guarantee that it would not be as fun.
Random ppl, I somewhat understand. But friends? No voice chat at all? I didnt have it when I played Madden and NBA 2K a few years ago. But we called each other on the phone and had the phone on speaker the whole time. I think we all decided we had to get some headphones with mics after a few games of that.
Why ppl are defending something that can be totally optional is beyond me. Are Nintendo's parental controls that weak?
WhiskerFrisker
Member
I've been browsing this thread since yesterday and I have yet to see a convincing argument for no voice chat. Perhaps if this was a different type of game, sure, but this demands teamwork. But you've basically summed up my thoughts.
Exactly. This is really disappointing and I hope Nintendo decides to implement voice chat.
First, there is an entire thread in the multiplayer forums right now with multiple pages discussing voice chat and the issues with it.
Second, it's not a big deal at all. They can *wish* anything, but it's such a comically tiny community that it doesn't represent anything. The community and the forum head can have a wrong opinion.
And additionally, this is about an option. You can include an option and still allow everyone who doesn't like it to shut it off. It's so simple and everyone wins. In this case, you pander to a small segment of the community who either can't parent or who are paranoid about any social interaction in a competitive setting and leave everyone else out.
In short:
In one way, everyone wins - both those who want and don't want voice.
In this way, only one segment wins - those who petulantly refuse to acknowledge the importance of voice chat in a competitive shooter of any kind.
I remember Rapture had concerns during its first announcement but it feels like much of the conversation around voice chat has changed with them that it's not really an issue. But yeah, I guess you're right.
PS4 fans saying they are glad Sony denied them EA access says differently.
Xbox live being worth the monthly payment is the same for Xbox fanboys.
You appear to believe voice chat only exists for people to say bad words to each other. It's the only explanation for why communication would mean "less friendly" to you.
Beside that, there a measures in voice chat designed to mute undesirable speech. It's very simple, it's effective, and it still allows the many benefits of voice chat to remain at the player's disposal.
I don't think most people are actually glad of being denied the EA access thing. I wouldn't buy it but it's still disappointing for those that do.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
TPS, FPS, shooter. They really are the same when it comes to discussing this aspect that they chose to leave out.
That's his point. That the "Nintendo fans X" narrative is inane drivel. This is true of everything with fans.
Sure, I was simply making note that the game is not an FPS. (Though there are differing rules of strategy to consider in a TPS vs. an FPS if only because of the different sight-options.)
The forum has only been open for roughly two weeks so any comparisons in regards to users and even forum posts are nonsensical at this point.
pinkurocket
Member
Have fun communicating in 3 minute matches with people mixed from different regions. everyone that played the demo from the US or EU often had JPN players in their lobby. Not to mention the teams get shuffled every round. With that kind of concept you don't have time to communicate teamwork, Splatoon is too fast and frantic to do that with strangers, and it takes but a glance to see where you need to be with your paint.
Voice chat would be welcome in friend lobbies for sure, however since they only get added in August we don't even know the details of a possible voice chat option.
Ninja Of Chaos
Member
Not a fan of Nintendo at all (or of the game being discussed in this thread) but: Options can be detrimental to the vision of the creator. If the creator wants only the voices of the characters (or nothing at all...I dunno if they have voices) to be heard, the option for voice-chat is a negative.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Dude...just stop.
Many of us have played the demo so you can't use the tired "you can't back up your claims" statement anymore. Looking at the gamepad in the middle of a match to see teammates is slow and makes you peel your eyes away from the action. There is literally no reason why voice chat is not in this game at the very least between people on your friends list. Using "yeah" and "come on" presets are not helpful at all, I need to be able to verbally tell my friends what to do considering the game is so tactical. You're basically trying to shut down any criticism towards Splatoon because you're mad that people want options which is the only thing that's pointless and illogical here.
It makes perfect sense when you're trying to make an argument that it's a big deal the forum cares about something or not.
It's a tiny, irrelevant community right now that is so small it represents nothing. Voice chat matters, whether Squidboards like it or not. And including the option allows everyone to win, which not a single individual in this topic or elsewhere has been able to make even the slightest compelling argument against. I am STILL waiting to see such an argument.
Oh, then yes fanboys say stupid shit on every console. It just seems like there are more on the Nintendo crazy side of the fence.
That thread is back from April when it was first announced and it seems they came to a conclusion fast. While a minor annoyance there is Skype but it is agreed that friend list should at least have voice chat, same as my own thoughts and conclusions.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Voicing your opinion by not buying it is not always the best approach. For one thing how do they know why you didn't buy it? Wii U sales are lacklustre as it is and if this game flops because people wanted voice chat it might be misinterpreted of nobody cares about the Wii U. What we are doing now is the right thing to do, we are voicing our concerns prior to the game being released and it still seems to fall of deaf ears. The lack of Wii U sales may get Nintendo to rethink their strategy going forward or maybe it won't. There are many reasons why the Wii U isn't selling and if Splatoon fails to sell well I don't see them admitting it was because of the lack of voice chat. I also don't think people care enough to just ignore the game because it does look very good. What we are saying is it could be even better if it had voice chat.
It's just a shame it's come to this. That there are still quite a few out there who have this ability to speak out on forums about why they don't like voice. Yet feel as though they have to use the voice chat function if it's there even though there is all of this toxicity they act like they can't get away from. What appears to be the most logical is that you can remove yourself entirely from that toxic environment while others can also enjoy communicating with each other if they choose. That's why they call it an option.