Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Netherscourge
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I just assume all trailers for multiplats are done on PC now.
Maxed out at settings that require an insanely expensive PC to pull off.
And even then, there is no guarantee what you saw 2 years ago will be what you see at launch.
Maxed out at settings that require an insanely expensive PC to pull off.
And even then, there is no guarantee what you saw 2 years ago will be what you see at launch.
ColonialRaptor
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Dude I am a sure fire witcher fanboy but if it has truly been downgraded as much as some of the cherry picked shots seem then I won't be happy at all but we simply cannot judge that until the game is out and we see the areas in those screenshots and whether they compare or not. We know nothing about which build certain shots were taken from. Or if they are from console or anything else like that etc.
I agree it will be a crying shame if it's not as beautiful as I hope it to be, but honestly from what I can tell I'm pretty sure it will be, it's the art direction that makes it amazing. Not some sharp tuffs of grass and desaturation.
alife
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Refer to my earlier post. $302.94 is what the 5 major components I selected came out to. And my point was that buying PC hardware in the U.S. is cheaper.
Refer to my earlier post. Did your console come with a TV? I have a local computer store here that sells a mouse (optical) and keyboard combo for $9 (Probably cheaper on Newegg). There's a Seagate 300GB SATA 3.0gb/s hard drive on Newegg for $25. Newegg also has an ATX mid tower case for $20. Windows 7 Home Premium is $99 on Newegg. ~$455.94. How much is a PS4? $400? How about a nice TV?
Gormenghast
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The console doesn't come with a TV.
But it does come with a case, power supply, hard drive, decent fan, Blu ray reader and controller (and operating system).
Sanctuary
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It's 2015. This hasn't been relevant for at least eight years. I doubt anyone was considering the cost of a monitor for the PC at all.
I laugh every time someone starts tossing out numbers for a PC that can theoretically play games better than consoles for less. The reality is, most people aren't going to go out of their way to build a gaming PC if the PC isn't noticeably better in most areas over the console. They would be building the PC to do much more than just playing games at those super low budgets.
As someone else posted, a good gaming PC is going to cost you just under $1k for starters. That is, if you actually want a lot better image quality and performance. Otherwise, you'd just stick with the consoles.
Dude you made your point, give it a rest. You're in a wrong thread.
OmegaDL50
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Hell you don't even need to pay $99 for Windows, there are perfectly legitimate Windows sold for $20 even via the Reddit Microsoft Software swap, which drives the point home even further, which taking the $79 off the price of that $456 build and and brings it down to $376.
alife
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Same argument can be applied to the point about using a spare hard drive and some peripherals, even a case. And as the poster above me noted, Windows OS can be obtained for even cheaper. Just saying you were wrong and that's not implying that I don't enjoy console exclusives, but an i3 and a GTX 750 Ti can out perform a console on a cheaper budget.
artsi
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Well it's always been a thing in advertising to bullshit people, but I guess with games it has become a bigger thing now when graphics have moved closer to pre-rendered footage.
It's not exactly the same as the stuff is in the game, but I remember old Final Fantasy (PSX) commercials being 99% pre-rendered cutscenes instead of gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9zzFEdGWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6JprGrDLA
Not forgetting these super cocky magazine ads, lol.
It still was a great game in the end though.
ugh_the_boot
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Yea that's when I first started to see examples of it (last gen), but i'm actually quite surprised it took this long as it seems like a very easy thing to trick people with. I guess before that most trailers were still using CG footage to bullshit.
SPOT ON.
I still am an avid console gamer and lots of people have told me that a $400 PC can outperform a console. And yes, in some cases, it can and will. But I wasn't going to spend money on a PC unless it's a huge upgrade..which is what I did for $800. And now, I'm happy because I know my PC will outperform the consoles that I have considerably.
Looks like Driveclub was brought up a page or two back. LOL.
ugh_the_boot
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I personally think the game looks fantastic, one of the best looking games i've ever seen. Infact I wasn't really planning on purchasing it as I didn't finish Witcher 2 (got bored b4 the end) but after seeing the graphics in this it looks like a world I want to explore regardless of anything else so I will pick it up launch day.
I personally don't care too much about bullshots etc but I do think it's unfair when some companies are criticized for it when others are defended very heavily. Just wanna make sure the playing field is fair for all devs so that they can all be held accountable. Also from what i've seen the animated GIFs from the OP seem to be taken from games in it's current form so I don't think those are bullshots, but those scenes with the burning huts etc look very different from the stuff they are showing now.
viveks86
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Highly encourage anyone who hasn't watched the 35 minute gameplay video to watch it at highest quality. It's 5.5 GB in size, but holy. fucking. shit. It looks so damn good!!! Come release, I'm going to use this as my baseline to do 1:1 comparisons (in addition to the reveal trailers, obviously). If the game can look like that maxed out... wow... Seriously guys, download and watch it if you haven't already. You can download the torrent here:
http://www.xiaoxiao114.com/info/82F666EF17F8649EF65B8DF4D284499B79FA7EF8
http://www.xiaoxiao114.com/info/82F666EF17F8649EF65B8DF4D284499B79FA7EF8
OmegaDL50
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Yeah, the way I see it if you are going to buy a PC at the same price range as a PS4 around $400 just to get PS4 performance, you might as well buy a PS4 to begin with, at least the games developed for it won't scale badly as that $400 PC will in 2 years.
I mean yes you could buy a $400 PC to run a specific multiplatform on the PS4 today, however a multiplatform game released for the PS4 in two years from now, there is no guarantee that same $400 PC will run that game at a reasonable level.
If one is going to buy a PC you might as well go the extra mile and put out the extra money for a PC that will guarantee you run that multiplatform game two years down the line.
Now this is what I'm talking about. Awesome.
I will download and watch this. Thanks for the link Viveks.
Emperor_Uriel
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I wish I could complain about this, but even with an i7 and a GTX 970 I'd never be able to come close to running a game that looked as good as those 2013 gifs.
People with multiple Titans can look forward to 4k, but the downgrade is almost a moot point for the other 99% of us. I expect developers to have integrity, sure, but I'm not going to rail against CDPR for failing to reach the impossibly high mark set by their conceptual footage.
I don't believe the devs themselves could run a full open world as detailed as the one in the 2013 trailer with the tech that was available back then. Even in 2015, we just aren't there yet.
People with multiple Titans can look forward to 4k, but the downgrade is almost a moot point for the other 99% of us. I expect developers to have integrity, sure, but I'm not going to rail against CDPR for failing to reach the impossibly high mark set by their conceptual footage.
I don't believe the devs themselves could run a full open world as detailed as the one in the 2013 trailer with the tech that was available back then. Even in 2015, we just aren't there yet.
OmegaDL50
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Pretty much, if we expected the trailer footage as actual gameplay, We might as well expect next FF game after XV to look like the Agni's Tears demo with the Quad Titan X's or claim FF16 will look like FF7 Advent Children as in-game character models.
It's unrealistic in any scenario. Of course it IS pretty. At least we can hope for PS5 / XB2 and a single card Geforce GTX 1100 series to give us those sorts of results........................maybe.
What's up with that tone? Its not personal man.
1.- I'm on topic, big AAA publishers have to deal with both the PS4 and Xbox One sub par hardware, hence downgrade ton
2.- You are assuming with no proof there is a CD Project intent of malice regardless The Witcher 3 visuals. The game is not even out yet, an you have ZERO insight about the development process of the game. Even if downgraded you are assuming there was bad intentions.
Why are you assuming (assuming yet again) I'm upset? I'm very much calm, enjoying my Sunday playing vid games while browsing the www.
BTW assuming is a very bad mental practice, of which you seem pretty fond of, perhaps you should look for it on a dictionary.
AAA developers have to deal with underpower hardware for the next years, relevan to the conversation wether you like it or not.
Nah dude, is pretty real google it.. there are plenty of budget builds that outperform the PS4, not exactly breaking news
Potato Masher VS PS4
LiquidMetal14
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This is huge
That's the entry costs however when you want to upgrade your gpu after 4-5 years the rest of your computer should still be good so the upgrade is pretty dang cheap. Computer gaming isn't as brutal as 800 or as cheap as some say it's somewhere in the middle.
You see why don't developers do this? I am not just talking about this game but all mulitplatform games.
Why not keep the older/higher quaity assets for PC at high/ultra settings and use the lower quality/different assets for consoles. Just like the before and after screenshots of TW3?
Another good example is Skyrim. Original/Vanilla graphical assets for console and those improved/higher quality assets you see in the modded version.for PC HIGH/ULTRA
Too expensive to do?
Instead, they just simply use the same exact graphical assets as consoles but just only improve the resolution, texture detail, add AA, AF etc and that's it.
Slangblade
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I think companies like Nvidia should encourage developers to stay committed to their original vision. Just imagine how many gpus Nvidia would sell if it actually looked like the 2013 build.
I'm not going to get into a huge debate, I'm not a PC expert and wont claim to be. I watched that build video and when he started saying stuff like "this HDD I had laying around is worth 20 dollars". I decided to google it, and its about 50-60$
Pestilence11
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Gave me a chuckle
This is really good, coming from a PS4 user.
It's 50-60 dollars because it's ancient and is not sold anywhere anymore, and was the MSRP back when it was. You can get HDDs with 1 TB for 50-60 dollars these days.
OmegaDL50
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It could very well been $20 at the time he bought it. PC parts pricing are variable especially if we factor things like sales and combo deals. OR if you buy open-box. In fact old parts out of circulation can actually be more expensive then the original MSRP due to them being uncommon and hard to find.
Still the Potato Masher is an interesting concept, Something I wouldn't do though.
Yeah, Nintendo did a little bit themselves. The arcade versions of Killer Instinct and Cruisin USA were supposedly running on genuine "Ultra 64" hardware, the game would literally announce it every time you played. When KI:Gold and Cruisin64 were released on the Nintendo 64 they looked nothing like those arcade games.
Isn't the price now what matters? Not hating or anything, I do console and PC. I'm getting Witcher on PS4 and double dipping when I upgrade my PC.
Either way I don't want to get into the whole OT area, like I said earlier I'm looking forward to the thread when the game is actually out and we can compare peoples shots.
Oh its definitely interesting, props to him for pulling it off.
Holy shit im dying...
Gormenghast
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Yep, that's the whole point.
A $400 budget on PC just isn't going enough to replace a console. Under some ideal condition you can squeeze better performance, but if you count every factor the console is still the better option unless you really aim for twice the budget.
For example console games scale very gracefully in resolution, and look good on a TV. On PC the upscalers would look like absolute shit in most of the cases, and you are going to play closer to the monitor. And then there are the endless PC issues, the controller, bad optimizations, bugs and so on.
The console is the better choice unless you either need a PC for a lot different stuff, or you really have the budget (but even in that case you probably have a console AND a PC).
And they say clueless console warriors dont exist on gaf.
I was gonna tear your stupid post apart but im on my phone right now and you're just not worth the effort.
Hahahahaha, this is a joke, right? Right?
Man, this paragraph is just golden. The first 2 phrases are simple insane.
I agree with these two points.
GatticusFinch
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Filthy console peasantry at its finest.
UpDownLeftRight
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I think that would be fine if that were the case and where it ended. The problem I see time and time again is a vertical slice being demoed which is considerable leaps ahead of what we actually receive. It seems to be so common these days that it's almost certain that's what we will be shown first. If that was ever intended to be the final result then I see no harm, however the frequency this occurs with leads me to believe otherwise. Typically a vertical slice would be a good opportunity to test the overhead required to run the game, hence these slices should be a reasonably accurate representation of the final product.
So then we're left in an awkward position where we have to ask, are the majority of devs completely overestimating the hardware despite having access to it throughout? Or are we being lied to? Unfortunately only one option seems the logical answer, but at the same time I won't claim to have any proof to back it up other than what we see happen in the industry on a regular basis.
Personally I've become so used to this practice with the increasing regularity it happens that I no longer assume we will get what we see either, but I understand that this can really infuriate people. Nobody likes being lied to and that's exactly what it feels like happens a bit too often. I was used to seeing a CG render knowing it was never representative of the final product, but we're at a point where even seeing the game played isn't concrete evidence that it will look close to that good on even the best hardware. That's an unusual situation to me, but more importantly it's extremely misleading to the average consumer who may be out of the loop compared to reguler gaffers and such who are used to it.
Mad Season
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please use this thread for PC builds: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944920
Raven77
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Haha, that is so wrong it isn't even funny. The processor, for starters, is nearly 200 and the video card is $240...so...he is doing some really idiotic math to come up with a "$350 PC"...
Admiral Woofington
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maybe he bought them at a sale?
Devilinthiscity
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It has become a PC vs Console debate.
viveks86
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I've compiled a bunch of shots from actual gameplay that was shown to us last year. Click to view HQ version. This is going to be my baseline for 1:1 comparison when the game is out. I will play the game at 4K and downsample to 1080p. Time of Day is visible, so it shouldn't be difficult to replicate. If the final result looks anywhere near these reference shots, we can conclude that the downgrade is a myth. Crow shall be served one way or the other.
All this excuses to why buy a console just make some posters look like clueless gamers.
Common, just say that you prefer a console and that's it. There's no right or wrong, you don't need to defend you purchase.
Gaming on consoles is not something to be ashamed, and that's what this stupid defense attempts sounds like.
Back on topic, thanks for the link viveks86, i was looking for a high quality version of this footage. Will check it out on the TV and i'm sure i'll be amazed.
Common, just say that you prefer a console and that's it. There's no right or wrong, you don't need to defend you purchase.
Gaming on consoles is not something to be ashamed, and that's what this stupid defense attempts sounds like.
Back on topic, thanks for the link viveks86, i was looking for a high quality version of this footage. Will check it out on the TV and i'm sure i'll be amazed.
DOWN
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I'm dying at these posts trying to say "different time of day" "different season"
like did the season disappear on CDPR for an actual year? Did the time of day never come back? Somehow they've never been able to select as flattering of images for a year because "different time of day" lmao okay
you gonna be looking for that magic time of day like a kid looking for dad to finally come back from that 2 year errand
like did the season disappear on CDPR for an actual year? Did the time of day never come back? Somehow they've never been able to select as flattering of images for a year because "different time of day" lmao okay
you gonna be looking for that magic time of day like a kid looking for dad to finally come back from that 2 year errand
The average consumer looks at the final product and doesn't follow every piece of media for a game 2+ years out.
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