Poodlestrike
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Spectre has no real place in a team show, tho.
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Spectre has no real place in a team show, tho.
Not as a regular character, no. Unless she was in the background or you nerfed him (her in this case) to Golden Age levels.
That's right the first suit was blown up by Plastique and another took heavy damage during the firestorm arc. Yeah I guess it makes sense to have improvements for each new suit.
I still think
she doesn't mean in the actual episode, but instead premiering the 2-3 minute sizzle reel for the show they put together. We'll see, I guess
BKatastrophe
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I'm pretty sure that show will land somewhere, NBC was just terrible for it.
BKatastrophe
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I don't think it was. Grimm is a similar type of show, and Hannibal shares the same type of darkness that Constantine did. And considering it had procedural elements and NBC still has the longest running (currently) crime procedural out there, it honestly makes a good fit. I'm surprised it wasn't more successful, honestly.
TheVampire
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So speculation about the fate of Wells:
Does anyone remember seeing that second half season preview video which showed Wells
Does anyone remember seeing that second half season preview video which showed Wells
locked up in the pipeline? Previously I thought it might have been that guy who could take on others form but based from the previous episodes it wasnt so Im guessing Wells gets defeated and put in the pipeline
I think there will be
some sort of in-episode integration but it'll be kept separate from the Flash's main plot and it'll be a stinger or something. We know there's big things going down with almost every major character so I'm not sure they'll want to take up time or introduce new plot threads.
BKatastrophe
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He
gets put in the Pipeline as a masterstroke: to get close to the particle accelerator.
Hannibal got terrible ratings early on. The only reason why it wasn't axed by NBC is because the entire production of the show is funded by Sony I think? I just know that NBC just airs it. Also since the show is critically acclaimed they have kept it, despite the terrible ratings, at least during season 1 dunno now.
BKatastrophe
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morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Hannibal also does really well oversees, so that helps too.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Hannibal survives for a few reasons:
1) International co-production. It is so stupidly dirt cheap for NBC to broadcast, they'd be fools not to broadcast it.
2) Critical acclaim. Might not ever get Emmys (even though it's well-deserving), but it's a critical darling unlike anything else on TV. Plus, NBC could brag to talent that "Hey, we're the guys that keep Hannibal on TV.", so it could attract creative types.
3) Rabid fanbase.
4) Crazy popular overseas.
1) International co-production. It is so stupidly dirt cheap for NBC to broadcast, they'd be fools not to broadcast it.
2) Critical acclaim. Might not ever get Emmys (even though it's well-deserving), but it's a critical darling unlike anything else on TV. Plus, NBC could brag to talent that "Hey, we're the guys that keep Hannibal on TV.", so it could attract creative types.
3) Rabid fanbase.
4) Crazy popular overseas.
i think you mean 3rd times the charm.
for the CW i mean. the 90's show was CBS
*edit* right, parent company. but it was a different time back then
BKatastrophe
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I'm having a hard time with not watching thisso i saw this gif in another thread...
jeebus. so happy they got it right the second time around
Own show. John Constantine hates capes, and is not a cape. LoT is going to be the cape show.
so i saw this gif in another thread...
jeebus. so happy they got it right the second time around
Dat Flash suit doe.
BKatastrophe
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Who does he think he is? Spider-Gwen?
PhoncipleBone
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Needs a beard and thick rimmed glasses to complete hipster Flash.
What is that from anyways?
BKatastrophe
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Ask Supernatural and its soon-to-be 11 years (although to be fair, 5 of those seasons are actually good)
OdysseusVA
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Good times!
PhoncipleBone
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I think you mean 6 seasons. I thought season 8 was really good. 9 was...a step down. Still not as awful as the mess that was seasons 6 and 7. And season 10 has been very, very spotty. At least there have been a few really good episodes this season.
PhoncipleBone
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They are saving that for the end of the DCCU. The multitude of film and TV universes converge for one epic as hell finale to them all.
BKatastrophe
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I thought S9 was hot garbage. Effectively destroyed any good will I had towards the show, and makes S10, while better, almost a chore to watch. That saddens me. I like the second half of S8, but the main problem I have is that it's effectively Carver and Singer basically pulling a Days of Future Past on the series. I think it's worse for it, because while the Gamble era (S6 and S7) was flawed in storytelling, it had a lot of cool ideas that took the show to genuinely new places. The fact that the current showrunners have effectively said "Fuck it, our stuff is better" when it's just a retread of familiar plot points with a few different characters upsets me greatly. Especially when, structurally speaking, the show hasn't improved at all.
I want my Cthulu endgame, and I'm not getting it.
PhoncipleBone
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Gamble had a lot of cool ideas during her reign, but obviously didn't know where to go with them. It is like she threw tons of balls into the air and didnt know which ones to catch.
Carver introduced one of the best things in years on the show, which was the Men of Letters. And then they just gleefully ignored it to go back to the same ole same ole, and it was so frustrating. The Men of Letters opened up so many story avenues they could have gone down, but they didn't, and it might be too late to fix that.
But I do agree about a Cthulhu endgame. That would be awesome. And they don't have to even show anything. Their limited budget could work for that, because they don't need to show it to make it scary. Just sell the idea that what they are seeing causes them to lose their minds.
More_Badass
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Have you kept up with the show? I stopped after 5. That ending was perfect as a finale.
BKatastrophe
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Pretty much agree on all of that.
But to bring this back around to relevance: I don't want The Flash to go this long. 7 seasons at the maximum, and even that's a bit spotty. 5 at a maximum is always a good number for a show.
I'll be there until the end. For better or worse.
Interview with Tom Cavanagh, nothing too spoilery.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/11/flash-season1-finale-spoilers
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/11/flash-season1-finale-spoilers
PhoncipleBone
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They can keep something going as long as they want, as long as the stories are worth sticking around for. Besides Frasier, what other show has stayed significantly good past the 5th season? Deep Space Nine maybe?
Well, I would say Doctor Who, because this last season had some really stand out episodes. But generally, the heavily serialized stuff starts to run out of steam after about 5 years. I am trying to think of something that has kept the momentum past that.
Stargate SG-1 was always good throughout it's 10 seasons IMO. I would say the 1st few seasons were the weakest, but only cause their ideas and such only just started to expand the Stargate universe. But in a way, that slowness helps make the mid-seasons better, as made gathering much better tech, even multi galaxy gate travel & spaceships more rewarding instead of getting those in 1st few seasons. Would of made it felt cheap. The last season I would say is maybe a little weak, but only cause they had to rush through the end since it wasn't getting renewed.
So, just depends on how well the story holds up. How creative & imaginative they go. I can only imagine the Flash comics, and DC comics in whole are vast and massive. So if they play it right, they can go as long as they want.
I hope Arrow lasts a while too. I know GAF likes to bicker on how it's the worst thing ever at times (
), but I really enjoy it, even if this season has been somewhat weak. Give me more Katie Cassidy! (Speaking of Supernatural, she was the original Ruby! 
)
So, just depends on how well the story holds up. How creative & imaginative they go. I can only imagine the Flash comics, and DC comics in whole are vast and massive. So if they play it right, they can go as long as they want.
I hope Arrow lasts a while too. I know GAF likes to bicker on how it's the worst thing ever at times (
), but I really enjoy it, even if this season has been somewhat weak. Give me more Katie Cassidy! (Speaking of Supernatural, she was the original Ruby! )
Wiktor
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Supernatural's tragedy is that they had multiple ocassions to reboot the show and make it fresh again.
In S6 they could have built monster society led by Eve and introduce exotic creatures. In S7 they could have went for cthulhu-styled show. And in S8 they had men of letters, which was perfect opportunity to go into fun pulpy stories. The episode with golem was just plain brilliant.
Instead they wasted all those opportunities and we circle back to damn angels, demons and tired scenarios.
I think there's no reason why a show can't run for 10 years and retain high quality. But to achieve that somewhere along the way there needs to be a soft reboot, that refreshes the whole show, introduces new elements of mythology etc. Bassicaly..instead of making...say...Supernatural Season 6, they really should be making Supernatural 2: Season 1.
In S6 they could have built monster society led by Eve and introduce exotic creatures. In S7 they could have went for cthulhu-styled show. And in S8 they had men of letters, which was perfect opportunity to go into fun pulpy stories. The episode with golem was just plain brilliant.
Instead they wasted all those opportunities and we circle back to damn angels, demons and tired scenarios.
I think there's no reason why a show can't run for 10 years and retain high quality. But to achieve that somewhere along the way there needs to be a soft reboot, that refreshes the whole show, introduces new elements of mythology etc. Bassicaly..instead of making...say...Supernatural Season 6, they really should be making Supernatural 2: Season 1.
Wiktor
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Ownshow. LoT will double down on science and superpowers. Constantine could guest star from time to time, because it's delicious to see him taking a piss at capes, but he wouldn't fit as a part of the team.
To make it features-complete the CWverse needs a magical side. It already got human strenght (Arrow), superpowers (Flash) and science (Atom). It only lacks magic to make it be able to do everything DC universe does. And when it comes to magic the the only character with as much potential for own show as Constantine is Timothy Hunter, which I also hope somebody will adapt sooner or later.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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This is why I quit watching the show.
BKatastrophe
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I'd rather have a show end on prematurely with unused ideas, then exhaust itself and hope for a comeback. One of those is frustrating, but enjoyable for the time it was there. THe other is tiresome and draining.
I can easily pick which I'd rather have. In this case, I'd rather have The Flash end after one (hopefully it finishes well) great season, then have it go for 6 and probably have at least 1-2 bad to mediocre seasons.
I can easily pick which I'd rather have. In this case, I'd rather have The Flash end after one (hopefully it finishes well) great season, then have it go for 6 and probably have at least 1-2 bad to mediocre seasons.
why not just do a Giovanni "John" Zatara series at a point where Zatanna has an active role and you can have John Constantine as her romantic interest and in season 2 introduce Timothy Hunter as a protégé?
Mostly I wouldn't mind a Zatanna series
(nor a Raven series for that matter which would also be magic side)I don't know... I have a feeling that when we hit some really bad episodes we will get some pretty great memes from them
BKatastrophe
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Personally I'm not a fan of the Zatanna/Constantine romance that's being pushed so heavily in the New 52.why not just do a Giovanni "John" Zatara series at a point where Zatanna has an active role and you can have John Constantine as her romantic interest and in season 2 introduce Timothy Hunter as a protégé?
Mostly I wouldn't mind a Zatanna series
I would very much like to see Zatanna though.
PhoncipleBone
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The key is having a show finish well if it dies prematurely. Shit, I can't imagine how awful it must have been for Farscape fans when the season 4 finale aired just to find out it was cancelled. At least they got the mini series to tie up all the loose ends.
I didn't actually know it existed until 5 minutes ago lol. I was just looking up zatanna since you brought up magic and saw she had ties to the characters you mentioned and thus we could get the best of both worlds.
If she is only going to show up in one series between the flash and arrow though I really hope it's the flash as I think they could have fun with her.
I imagine Raven will be part of the teen titans series that is coming in 2016 thus why I wouldn't pick her for her own show (though she could perhaps spin off the teen titans series if it does well) My only fear with her is that without the team she would end up in very very dark storylines.
as a fan of shows such as better off ted, ground floor, heck even go old school and go john doe (who the main actor in that is now Mick Rory / Heat Wave in flash
) you get used to having crap endings :/Heck I just finished my name is earl not to long ago if you want to talk about crap endings lol.
BKatastrophe
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I don't mind risks. I'd like this show to go as long as it reasonably can. I just think that a show generally shouldn't go past S5. Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an anomaly in my book, and even then that's heavily debated.
Any show that I can think of that I thought was good, or that's widely praised, typically ended within the 1-5 range. There's a couple anomalies (the aforementioned BtVS, The Shield, various Star Treks, and a few more), but in general 1-5 is a pretty solid space to live and let die.
I think some of the other more magical DC characters are better off being introduced in one of the superhero shows as opposed to something like Constantine. Save for a few, like Zatanna and/or Swamp Thing. Nick Necro, probably (I'd be amazed if he didn't show up).
BKatastrophe
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Double post my bad
we will have to see. Either way I wouldn't mind if CW decided to continue to add another super hero show each season, and go all out in story like Flash and cancel them when ever they feel they can't continue quality story, but keep the actors numbers to make an eventual justice league live action show.
PhoncipleBone
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I know. That is why I asked earlier what there was out there that sustained the quality past the 5th or 6th season.
Someone else mentioned Stargate SG-1, and he is right. However, as much as I loved SG-1, it just stayed at the same consistent above average quality the entire run. It never really reached greatness, even if it came close a few times.
But most of the greats and well regarded shows only ran about 5 seasons, or if they ran longer there are only clusters that people really consider classic. Usually after a slow start. Thank god Flash has hit the ground running.
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