Tom Brady suspended for 4 games; Patriots lose first-round draft pick; fined $1 mil

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Why do people keep posting this garbage site...

For example on the colts:

They give almost max severity for the colts having a bad year and drafting luck. How is that cheating?

They list piping in of noise, which the colts were cleared of doing... Still listed though. Oh and different variations of piped in noise are mentioned.

The writing is very Pats homerish.

Can only imagine the rest of the teams listings are complete jokes also.

Site is dumb.

You have to dig through some butt-hurt, homer-ish rantings, but the infractions listed here are very real. Pumping in artificial crowd noise, heating footballs, stealing signals, PEDs, free agent tampering, dangerous bounties, and deflating footballs are common forms of cheating that most NFL teams are known to be involved in.

My point is that the league in general has a very bad climate of enforcing fair competition. You can understand why most teams cheat when Goodell and the NFL have created a "screw them before they screw us" environment.

Now whether the Pats are "worse cheaters" or not I won't get into. I'm a Raiders fan myself and root against the Pats, but I'm also not deluding myself into thinking that they've somehow compromised the integrity of an otherwise clean sport.

Its well known that the Eagles have a history of systematical cheating. Is it really surprising?

I only singled out The Eagles because the poster going off on Deflategate has an Eagles logo for their avatar!

Outside of Lakers fans, Spurs don't really get much hate for a winning organization.

Classic small market double standard. It's the same reason that people don't irrationally hate on the Packers when they're good.
 

entremet

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Nonsense. People despise the Yankees, Duke, every team LeBron plays for, for many of he same reasons people hate the pats. Good teams breed hatred (especially teams led by arrogant characters) which amplifies reactions to every negative story. Tell me with a straight face that pumping in crowd noise is a lesser infraction than having balls .3 psi below the standard or taping from a different vantage point than allowed. No one gives a shit about the Falcons because they've been bad and they handled their scandal with grace.

This is about personalities and a lasting national hatred, not because the cheating is actually impacting the game.

Outside of Lakers fans, Spurs don't really get much hate for a winning organization.
 

nomster

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Outside of Lakers fans, Spurs don't really get much hate for a winning organization.

And suns fans, but yes I agree. I was trying to say that adding the arrogance to success creates a villain team that people will pounce on for any misstep. The Spurs are class for the most part.
 

Quotient

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They burned the tapes. The Pats were going social engineering their way into other teams' practice facilities and taping walkthroughs. They did so for systematically for years before having a whistleblower turn them in.

They are a team that cheats constantly.

So you are going to refer to an allegation that was refuted. The Boston Herald retracted the story:

On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' walk through on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008 report on sources it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.
 

JABEE

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The Patriots Super Bowls are tainted. They cheated to get it then. They cheated to win them. The Ravens were robbed this season.

Everyone points at that Colts game and says "they won by 38 points anyway!"


Yes, and they beat the Ravens the week before by three points without getting caught. The Deflator didn't start cheating for Brady in the Conference Championship game.

Also, people that say SpyGate made no difference are the same people who use football clichés like "it came down to one play" or "football is a game of inches."

The Pats are the biggest, douchiest cheats in all of cheat land.

Not only do they cheat, but they also pretend like they are the gold standard in the NFL. The Pats are a franchise built on cheating. Sham dynasty won by a sham franchise in a sham league.

Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl.
 

JABEE

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So you are going to refer to an allegation that was refuted. The Boston Herald retracted the story:
You're right. They just set up a tripod and the Pats employee said they taped it, but the league couldn't "find" a tape.

Goodell also burned the evidence to protect the public and the league. That's what all law enforcement agencies do with their evidence. They burn it! Who has heard of a safe?
 
The Patriots Super Bowls are tainted. They cheated to get it then. They cheated to win them. The Ravens were robbed this season.

Everyone points at that Colts game and says "they won by 38 points anyway!"


Yes, and they beat the Ravens the week before by three points without getting caught. The Deflator didn't start cheating for Brady in the Conference Championship game.

Also, people that say SpyGate made no difference are the same people that use football clichés like "it came down to one play" or "football is a game of inches."

The Pats are the biggest, douchiest cheats in all of cheat land.

Not only do they cheat, but they also pretend like they are the gold standard in the NFL. The Pats are a franchise built on cheating. Sham dynasty won by a sham franchise in a sham league.

Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl.

So, by that logic, we should take away all of The Eagles' Super Bowl wins in the last 15 years because of their record of cheating, right?
 

Quotient

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You're right. They just set up a tripod and the Pats employee said they taped it, but the league couldn't "find" a tape.

Goodell also burned the evidence to protect the public and the league. That's what all law enforcement agencies do with their evidence. They burn it! Who has heard of a safe?

The camera were set up to record the patriots walkthrough which was early in the day. The cameras didn't even have batteries in them.

I agree the nfl should not have burnt the tapes but they did play them for the media before burning them.
 
The Patriots Super Bowls are tainted. They cheated to get it then. They cheated to win them. The Ravens were robbed this season.

Everyone points at that Colts game and says "they won by 38 points anyway!"


Yes, and they beat the Ravens the week before by three points without getting caught. The Deflator didn't start cheating for Brady in the Conference Championship game.

Also, people that say SpyGate made no difference are the same people that use football clichés like "it came down to one play" or "football is a game of inches."

The Pats are the biggest, douchiest cheats in all of cheat land.

Not only do they cheat, but they also pretend like they are the gold standard in the NFL. The Pats are a franchise built on cheating. Sham dynasty won by a sham franchise in a sham league.

Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl.

Yeah that pisses me off too, it's not like the Pats did this just for 1 game. People keep saying it wouldn't have mattered the game was at hand and not considering how the Patriots probably cheated for years using this pathetic tactic.
 

JABEE

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The camera were set up to record the pars walkthrough which was early in the day. The cameras didn't even have batteries in them.

I agree the nfl should not have burnt the tapes but they did play them for the media before burning them.
And Michael Irvin was just holding the cocaine for a friend.
 
The Eagles have won as many legit Super Bowls as the Pats.

You have a point, but it's not the point you think you're making. By your logic, there are no legit Super Bowl wins. Seahawk's Super Bowl win is tainted by PEDs. Same for The Ravens and their deer antler spray. Packer's recent Super Bowl is tainted by Rodger's doctoring the football. Saints' win is tainted by Bounty Gate. The Giant's Super Bowl wins are tainted by Eli tampering the NFL draft.

You see the problem here?
 
Yeah that pisses me off too, it's not like the Pats did this just for 1 game. People keep saying it wouldn't have mattered the game was at hand and not considering how the Patriots probably cheated for years using this pathetic tactic.
Actually sorry it was not even one game. It was about 5 possessions of the Colts game.
That's when Brady realized what these meddling kids did and tipped off the refs.
 

werks

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There aren't any receipts because the pats refuse to cooperate. This isn't a criminal investigation, their refusal can and was held against them when deciding the punishment.

Can't have it both ways, you can't demand absolute proof when the pats won't cooperate and then get mad when the pats get punished for not cooperating.
 

Spinluck

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The Patriots Super Bowls are tainted. They cheated to get it then. They cheated to win them. The Ravens were robbed this season.

Everyone points at that Colts game and says "they won by 38 points anyway!"


Yes, and they beat the Ravens the week before by three points without getting caught. The Deflator didn't start cheating for Brady in the Conference Championship game.

Also, people that say SpyGate made no difference are the same people who use football clichés like "it came down to one play" or "football is a game of inches."

The Pats are the biggest, douchiest cheats in all of cheat land.

Not only do they cheat, but they also pretend like they are the gold standard in the NFL. The Pats are a franchise built on cheating. Sham dynasty won by a sham franchise in a sham league.

Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl.

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Quotient

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And Michael Irvin was just holding the cocaine for a friend.

Here you go:

A league source said NFL investigators found two practical reasons why the Patriots could not have used their video equipment to tape the Rams the day before the Super Bowl. First, the team's video crew did not take any battery packs to the Superdome because they planned only to set up the equipment, not to use it. Second, the league confirmed there was no electrical power available at the camera positions in the stadium.
 
The camera were set up to record the patriots walkthrough which was early in the day. The cameras didn't even have batteries in them.

I agree the nfl should not have burnt the tapes but they did play them for the media before burning them.

The last thing I want is to get caught up in all this madness but I keep seeing this posted around the web and it's not true. The press was allowed to see a sample of footage of the tape that was played in a loop during the NFL's briefing on their findings. There's no one outside of the NFL front office and the Patriot's organization that had unfettered access to all of the footage before it was destroyed. It may well have been meaningless game footage but Goodell did the Patriots a disservice by destroying them before anyone else could verify that.
 

Quotient

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The last thing I want is to get caught up in all this madness but I keep seeing this posted around the web and it's not true. The press was allowed to see a sample of footage of the tape that was played in a loop during the NFL's briefing on their findings. There's no one outside of the NFL front office and the Patriot's organization that had unfettered access to all of the footage before it was destroyed. It may well have been meaningless game footage but Goodell did the Patriots a disservice by destroying them before anyone else could verify that.

Thanks for clarification.
 
Outside of Lakers fans, Spurs don't really get much hate for a winning organization.

Most Laker fans I know (myself included) grudgingly respect the 5pur5 because they were true rivals unlike those clowns in Sacremento.

We hate the punk ass Baaaaaaaw-STON Czzz but they got theirs in the end.
 
The Patriots Super Bowls are tainted. They cheated to get it then. They cheated to win them. The Ravens were robbed this season.

Everyone points at that Colts game and says "they won by 38 points anyway!"


Yes, and they beat the Ravens the week before by three points without getting caught. The Deflator didn't start cheating for Brady in the Conference Championship game.

Also, people that say SpyGate made no difference are the same people who use football clichés like "it came down to one play" or "football is a game of inches."

The Pats are the biggest, douchiest cheats in all of cheat land.

Not only do they cheat, but they also pretend like they are the gold standard in the NFL. The Pats are a franchise built on cheating. Sham dynasty won by a sham franchise in a sham league.

Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Super Bowl.

They still have 4 rings. 4 trophies. And there are no caveats on any of them. Good luck though. :)
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12881342/poll-shows-fans-support-nfl-sanctions-tom-brady

Interesting results. Most people agree Brady should be punished but most still agree he's a hall of famer and great. Interesting result regarding whether all teams cheat

Brady's reputation and legacy is secure. He'll be fine.

Based on a survey of 504 people. To paraphrase Brady's manager some of the results seem close to a coin flip specifically the tainted SB question with a 6% no opinion.
 

Quotient

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The report relies on the increased level of communications between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game even though these communications show no knowledge of football tampering. As fully explained to the investigators, there were several readily understandable reasons for increased communications between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game.

First, the media frenzy over deflated footballs started the day after the AFC Championship Game. Mr. Brady is used to the limelight and to critics; Mr. Jastremski is not. Since Mr. Jastremski prepared the footballs, it was reasonable to expect that this media attention would focus on him. It was also reasonable to expect that (as happened) Mr. Jastremski’s boss would question Mr. Jastremski to see what, if anything, he knew. Mr. Brady’s reaching out to Mr. Jastremski to see how he was holding up in these circumstances is not only understandable, but commendable.

Second, the team had just won the AFC Championship and was headed to the Super Bowl. Footballs needed to be prepared for the Super Bowl. Since this was Mr. Jastremski’s first Super Bowl experience since assuming the role as game football preparer, it is not surprising he and Mr. Brady spoke a lot about football preparation during the days after the AFC Championship Game. Issues that they needed to discuss included: how footballs would be prepared (there were several different ways used for preparation during the season, sometimes dependent on weather); how many more than the required number for the game should be prepared so that, as he always does, Mr. Brady could select game footballs from among a larger number of prepared footballs; when, if at all, would the footballs be available in Foxborough for practice; when were they to be sent to Arizona; when would they be available for use in practice in Arizona; etc. All of these discussion topics were triggered by winning the AFC Championship and needed to be dealt with in the days following that win.

The investigators could have inquired of the Patriots former employee whose responsibility included preparing game balls whether his communications with Mr. Brady had increased during the time period leading up to the prior Super Bowls. They did not.

In short, increased Brady-Jastremski communications in the days following the AFC Championship Game do not make it more likely than not that there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing. They are totally consistent with complete innocence. It is only speculation to conclude otherwise. Nonetheless, it forms part of the report’s stated rationale for its findings against Mr. Brady.

This is a fair argument to be made.
 

Tawpgun

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Honestly don't know what to think of it.

Their points seem valid but I'm a patriots fan so it's kinda hard not to side with them when their points seem good.

I'm sure non pats fans/pats haters will view it differently and we're back to squabbling.

It would be interesting to see Wells, NFL, and team vs Pats Team basically debate this in front of each other so each side can explain itself and counter the other sides claims. Because right now people are disagreeing on the actual SCIENCE of it.







A few thoughts though: The fact that colts and pats balls were under different conditions ie kept in trash backs, closer to heaters vs being used in the game, squeezed under the weight of players among a bunch of other factors.... it's tough to really figure out what happened. It's not like this was any kind of ideal testing conditions.

And I also find it interested how all out the pats are defending/refuting this. With Spygate they outright said "Our bad, just give out the punishment." Belichick admitted to doing it saying he thought he was interpreting the rule differently or something.

But here they are outright denying it.


EDIT: This kinda sums up how I feel about this whole thing http://sports.yahoo.com/news/this-i...-out-of-control-and-ridiculous-200459796.html
 
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jWILL253

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Former NFL QB A.J. Feeley says he saw Tom Brady use illegal footballs

CBS Sports said:
A.J. Feeley played quarterback for five different NFL teams during an 11-year career that began in 2001. On Wednesday, Feeley said that during his time with the Dolphins in 2004, he observed Tom Brady using a "beat-up" football during a game when the rules stipulated that new footballs provided by the league had to be used.

“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls' we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley told 97.5 The Fanatic, via PFT.

(In 2006, two years after Feeley says he saw Brady breaking the rules, the NFL allowed teams to provide their own footballs for use during games, thanks largely to the lobbying efforts of Brady and Manning.)


Feeley continued: “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”

So for those of you who think January's AFC Championship Game wasn't the first time Brady and the Patriots were guilty of skirting the rules, here's your (alleged) smoking gun. For those of you wondering why Feeley waited 11 years to speak up, that's a fair question. Either way, Feeley says he didn't appreciate the gamesmanship.

“He's getting his own balls thrown in on offense,” Feeley said. “That was an issue to me at the time. ...We saw it then.”

Brady been cheating for over a decade.

Tainted titles. ALL OF THEM.
 

eissan

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I didn't see this link but I saw people grabbing information from it so here is the Patriots reply to well's report (tweeted on offical patriots twitter):
http://wellsreportcontext.com/

some quotes in regards to the PSI change and how it could be explained by science:
In summary I believe the data available on ball pressures can be explained on the basis of physical law, without manipulation. The scientific analysis in the Wells Report was a good attempt to seek the truth, however, it was based on data that are simply insufficient. In experimental science to reach a meaningful conclusion we make measurements multiple times under well-defined physical conditions. This is how we deal with the error or ‘spread’ of measured values. In the pressure measurements physical conditions were not very well-defined and major uncertainties, such as which gauge was used in pre-game measurements, affect conclusions. Finally, the claim of a statistically significant difference in pressure drop between the two team balls regardless of which gauge was used did not account for the fact that the Colts balls were apparently measured at the end of halftime since the officials ran out of time and made only four measurements – in other words, the Colts balls were measured after the Patriots balls and had warmed up more. For the above reasons, the Wells Report conclusion that physical law cannot explain the pressures is incorrect.

Roderick MacKinnon
Professor, Nobel Laureate Chemistry

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seriously after reading this how can anyone take the context of the report in regards to Mcnally seriously? these two idiots were just rambling back and forth. I don't see any malice at all!
 
Did the NFL change the procedure for this season by requiring that the refs mark down each football's PSI? Or will this have to wait until a new CBA?
 

Quotient

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Former NFL QB A.J. Feeley says he saw Tom Brady use illegal footballs



Brady been cheating for over a decade.

Tainted titles. ALL OF THEM.

Blake says that he'd order ball boys to let air out of his footballs just before the start of games during his entire NFL career, which included time with the Jets (1992), Cincinnati Bengals (1994-99), New Orleans Saints (2000-01), Baltimore Ravens (2002-03), Eagles (2004) and Chicago Bears (2005).

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/01/needles_on_sidelines_former_jets_qb_jeff_blake_had.html
 

eissan

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Another point completely missed, it seems the colts actually broke the rules too!

Once the game starts, neither team is allowed to gauge the footballs, pump them, or the like. That is solely the province of the referee, who is to be the “sole judge” of whether footballs comply. The Colts, with advance concerns about psi, did not take the issue to the referee. They took the matter into their own hands and had an intern gauge the football. (pg. 63) This conduct was in violation of Rule 2. Nowhere does the Report identify this conduct as a violation of the Rule.

Where is their punishment :D.
 

spyder_ur

Member
Doesn't anyone think this is a weird way for the Patriots to respond? Intentional I'm sure, but that website basically amounts to a blog and the writing isn't that great.

Two paragraphs that stuck out to me though:

As to the texts, which are discussed later, there is not a single text which refers to a plan to deflate footballs after the referee’s inspection, to having done so, to any Brady instructions to do so, or to any knowledge by Mr. Brady of such conduct. It is pure surmise and speculation that every deflation reference in a text is to improper deflation of footballs after the referee inspected them.
In short, there is simply no evidentiary support for the conclusion that Mr. Brady was aware of any actual or even attempted effort to improperly release air from the footballs. All the evidence — as well as logic — is to the contrary.

The Patriots, from the outset, sought to have additional issues regarding conduct of certain League personnel included in the scope of this investigation, including not only failures to take appropriate actions to protect the integrity of the game in the wake of the Colts expressed concern, but also leaks of selective information and misinformation, failures to correct reported misinformation, and prejudgments of wrongdoing. The report does not address these issues.
 

spyder_ur

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The report does not address whether one minute and 40 is consistent with the time that it takes a gentleman to enter a bathroom, relieve himself, wash his hands, and leave. In fact, it is.

I'm dying here. Lawyers dishing out the straight pee facts.

Whatever else you want to say about this situation, it has led to some of the most incredible, surreal sports headlines and statements I have ever read.

Seriously, one lawyer telling another how long it takes to pee and wash your hands.
 

riotous

Banned
Or he was calling himself the deflator because he deflates balls.. and was making a joking reference to how Tom Brady gives him shoes to do that.

Either way; if it's all easily explained.. why did the Patriots refuse to let them be interviewed about the texts?
 

GashPrex

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"One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). .”

This is certainly no watergate...certainly seems to give some context.
 

Gigglepoo

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The report does not address whether one minute and 40 is consistent with the time that it takes a gentleman to enter a bathroom, relieve himself, wash his hands, and leave. In fact, it is.

That's the first time McNally has been referred to as a "gentleman"
 
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