Eh, the industry's due for a crash. Why not accelerate it, right?
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Give me the term you would call displaying knowingly unrepresentative footage of the game upon installation of said game? Using said unrepresentative footage in current marketing material for said game. Knowing the footage isn't representative of the game and then not only denying a downgrade happened but promising it will surpass early footage in the face of evidence that proves that is a false statement and was at the time. Because CDPR had no intention of re-adding the technical elements they cut from the game at that point.
It is cute you are trying to blame the victim here for the crimes of the ones knowingly committing the act. The only people the finger should be pointing to for misrepresenting their product is the people misrepresenting their product.
And still trying to argue no downgrade when in just the last page their was an article from a anonymous CDPR developer that confirmed what was downgraded.
The smoke still exists. I was watching a stream the other day, and the houses still had smoke coming from the chimneys. Couldn't tell if they were as good as that .gif (twitch and all that).
-Alligator-
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Well I know I won't preorder any of their future games. I preordered this one based on the good will they created in the past.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this way.
Nocturno999
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Nice comparison video (PS4/PC). Little difference and foliage looks bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUGFmmikn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUGFmmikn4
Sodding_Gamer
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I'm sure it still exists but was it volumetric smoke like in the gif? or just a toned down version? Makes a hell of a lot of difference!
Honestly, I appreciated the aliasing ridden trailer for AssSyndicate, still not excited for the game because it just looks AssCreed Cockney edition.
indeed, still the king.
UnrealEck
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Haha, the guy playing at http://www.twitch.tv/CohhCarnage imported his W2 save and Geralt still has the tattoo. You know the one
I went there and took a glance at his channel and was immediately turned off. Full of advertisements, asking for donations, stupid sound effects and logos plastered on the video stream.
It reminded me of why I dislike Twitch now.
What's TOD? The details over distance?
AC:U buildings can look like shit from far away. Witcher 3 grass looks like shit from far away or close depending on what asset they used (saw the low quality grass from a distance and upclose in the 2013 trailer, posted a screenshot last night).
Yep, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm okay with it.
Yes, they are. They fucked up. Enjoy the thread.
Sodding_Gamer
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I did exactly the same. I was like ughhh and just turned it straight off.
But have you seen the tattoo? ^^
UnrealEck
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Time of day. Typically dynamic transitions. Like seen in GTA5 and Crysis.
No but I read your comment and it's making me want to play Witcher 2 again and finish it this time.
Starsunder
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thanks? i will? im not butt hurt over the development of the game? dont know what you want.
but keep fighting the good fight bro. cdpr will rue the day they fucked with you.
^Do I wish the downgrade issues causes them a headache?
Abso-fucking-lutely. They deserve every lost second of sleep for pulling that scummy shit.
They won't have much credibility going forward either.
Ah right. Immersive lighting beats time of day and flat lighting for me, but yeah that's a hard call if they have to choose, especially with this kind of game.
Abso-fucking-lutely. They deserve every lost second of sleep for pulling that scummy shit.
They won't have much credibility going forward either.
Ah right. Immersive lighting beats time of day and flat lighting for me, but yeah that's a hard call if they have to choose, especially with this kind of game.
TOD - Time of Day. Usually used in the context of dynamic lighting. If it is any consolation, the grass in AC:U looks like crap too.
How do you marketing geniuses propose to advertise a game that doesn't exist yet? Would you rather publishers wait until a month from the release day before they show you what the game looks like?
Fuck that. I'm an intelligent consumer that understands the realities of how this stuff is made. I can be trusted to understand that media from a "game in progress" (let alone one that is 2+ years away from completion!) should not be taken as 100% final. The whole thing is even more ridiculous because the final iteration of the game is utterly gorgeous.
It's amazing they even responded to this non-controversy. CDPR has always been a classy company.
Have fun and remember to make the wrong choices to get the tattoo (just like in real life)
hahaha
vpance
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UnrealEck
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Great. Now let us know how you feel about them saying the game was never downgraded.
-Alligator-
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It wasn't downgraded, it was optimized, haha.
viveks86
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Highly recommend that everyone watch the CohhCarnage stream
http://www.twitch.tv/CohhCarnage
Foliage is sharp as hell when the camera isn't moving too much and compression + blur kicks in. Hairworks on Geralt and AO seemed fixed as well.
http://www.twitch.tv/CohhCarnage
Foliage is sharp as hell when the camera isn't moving too much and compression + blur kicks in. Hairworks on Geralt and AO seemed fixed as well.
Quit being intentionally obtuse and deal with the discussion at hand and quit trying to shift blame and intentionally ignore context. Regardless of your opinion on how savvy consumers should be it has no bearing on the culpability of CDPR misrepresenting their product and lying about it. Literally up to the point of installing the game on your computer if posters here are to be believed.
Your arguments sound like a third grader whining and bringing up completely unrelated points that make no logical sense. Scratching and clawing at any excuse they can come up with to deflect guilt.
I agree. I think eventually the game will look really close to that on PC with mods.
The biggest difference between this GIF and some others from real gameplay that we have seen is the camera angle.
The camera is closer to Geralt giving it a more (*gasp* I'm afraid of using this word) "cinematic feeling", whereas now they are using a more distant camera that makes it feel more "gamey" IMO.
Considering the reviews and the amount of pre orders they had I bet they will be fine.
artsi
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Lol I like how the tattoo from TW2 is still there
Yeah, mods migh make the game better than the console version but it wont look anything like the 2013 trailer.
Even if this pass without consequences (like in From and Dark Souls 2 situation) it don't make it right and should not stop us from pointing the lies and false advertising these companies are doing.
I still hope the media get this, They were very hard on Ubi soft (Watch Dogs downgrade and Unity Parity gate) and it made Ubi soft revelase their newer AC game in a proper way. I really hope sites and guys like Totalbiscuit and Jim Sterling don't give CDPR a free pass here.
First thing I noticed + k/bm controls for anyone who is interested
Downgraded is a meaningless term, though. It implies there was some set baseline for the game when it was guaranteed to always be in flux. The game was tweaked as it became more content complete. Some 'settings' turned down, others turned up, others the tweaked slightly. This always happens, and it's more pronounced in games like the Witcher 3 that take so long because they're so outrageously full of content and huge.
The game couldn't help but change as they got closer to having millions of people demand (and deserve) a functioning, impressive product. They naturally want to show people what the thing they're working on looks like (also for obvious promotional purposes), so they put out media of the current state of the game and then a month later the game probably looks different in lots of key ways.
You're looking for some sinister narrative here or wanting too badly to feel 'duped' by the evil or incompetent game development company and I find it incredibly strange. The Witcher 3 looks incredible I just don't understand why you guys are fixated on media from a work in progress years ago.
Watching it now.. PC version?
Yes with Hairworks by the looks of it.
TOD is worth it if the engine is good.
This still blows my mind. Kojima Productions are goddamn wizards. It's such a shame MGSV will be their last game.
RIP
Starsunder
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regardless of any downgrades that happened, im willing to bet people will still be impressed by and subsequently immersed in the graphics of the game.
just throwing that out there.
wanderjahr
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As someone who isn't that much of a graphics whore, this is pretty disappointing.
This still blows my mind. Kojima Productions are goddamn wizards. It's such a shame MGSV will be their last game.
RIP
Yeah the fox engine is amazing, not to mention this is a cross gen game and still looks this good. I hope the engine doesn't go to waste snaku.
yes, with day 1 patch.
Okay, but there's still a downgrade present.
What are you even getting at? Why are you in this thread if it's all so funny to you?
wanderingprostheyltite
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This has always been my philosophy, it's not like I understand any of the complex calculations going on behind the engine anyhow, and I'm not sure that would affect my enjoyment even if I did. It's all wizards behind curtains to me, the better it looks the more I'll appreciate it.
I do wish more devs could nail Rockstar's TOD from V going forwards however. Almost all times look gorgeous in that game. From what I've read here it seems interiors are a nightmare for TOD lighting. I can see why so many others go for baked when looking at the results in W3.
I haven't been able to watch a video with hairworks, when one is posted and i find out about it is either down or private
viveks86
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Yep. KB/M too
jacksepticeye
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That's never really been a point of concern. Many who have complained of downgrades have said they're still going to enjoy it. Doesn't stop what could have been though visually
viveks86
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Man, anyone saying that Hairworks looks bad... I don't know man, it looks amazing to me!
EDIT: ON THE HORSE! The hairworks on the hrose is soooo goood
It looks great now. Geralt's hair in the German preview version was bugged (it was fucking old).
Haha yeah he is playing on death march.
artsi
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Horses can kick like hell though, lol.
This looks like a downgrade and not just a simple pallet change like some people are claiming
As someone who isn't that much of a graphics whore, this is pretty disappointing.
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