Samsung Silent On Disastrous Galaxy S6 Sales

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Oh I'm just referring to people willing to spend the dough for the overpriced 64gb/128gb phones. (and with batteries, can afford to replace them or just replace their phone any time the battery starts to go haywire.)

But as you point out, there are other reasons techies don't need or care about SD cards.

I was just backing up your point that not caring about SD cards doesn't make you a non-techie; it's a pretty odd claim that "SD card = techie." Often the choice to go for an SD slot/removable battery phone has more to do with one's budget (which was my point.)

Got it. Sounds reasonable.
 

billeh

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Agreed. I don't think many people go back to ios after being on Android, you tend to stick to one camp.
Most of my family members started with Android phones either because they were cheaper or they wanted a bigger screen. Once they got a taste of iOS/iPhone 6 they became Apple customers for life.

Completely anecdotal of course, but I could see the larger consumer base being very similar. I would also wager the average consumer doesn't give a rat's ass about removable batteries or SD card slots. Plus, when you're paying essentially the same amount of money as you would for an iPhone, the difference in build quality/value perception really stands out.
 
I have never in my life ever heard anyone refer to a phone's build quality and virtually everyone I know or even see on in public has a case.

Nor do I hear people talk about SD cards.

*Rarely* I hear about removable batteries or customization.

Most of the features or aspects touted by people on either side of the phone wars don't matter to most people.

Cost, Battery life, screen size, phone size, screen quality are all anyone seems to care about.
 
Unless they figure out something that mass market cannot get from an iPhone (or Apple screws up tremendously), I'm afraid their best days are behind them.

Nearly everyone that I've spoken to about their Galaxy purchases in the past several years boiled down their reasoning down to one or two reasons:

1. They hated Apple.
2. They wanted a bigger screen.

Yeah, this. The Galaxy S series was the loud nonconformist's conformism, and it's going the way the goth subculture went before it.
 

riotous

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Isn't it still by far the best selling Android phone with these numbers?

The article is more about how investors react to expectations and declining sales; the expectation is for upward trends not downward ones.. the expectation is to meet or beat the sales you promise investors.

Based on those expectations, it's really bad news for Samsung.

But they are still selling incredibly well regardless aren't they?

And I imagine they still sell tons of S5's too.
 
Galaxy phones, since S5, have great screens and camera but i can't buy a Samsung phone because they look so cheap and ugly.

Their design team is very bad. Compared to an iPhone or an Xperia phone or even an HTC One, the Galaxy line looks like it's made of cheap materials. Never been a fan of that especially when my brother bought the S5 and the thing broke so easily.
 

jwk94

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The iPhone is selling like gangbusters

Ok, so iphone sells well. People love it and the features that the Galaxy line had have been removed to be more like an iPhone. Now they's basically the same device. Why would someone with an iPhone switch over? If they wanted an iPhone, they would have bought one by now.
 

JMDSO

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I think that people who have a previous year's high end phone don't really HAVE to upgrade like they might have in year's past.

I have a LG G2 and other than 5.0 performing like crap it still runs everything I throw at it.
 

Talon

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I wonder who's gaining at the lower-end then? Assuming iPhone squeezing from the top of the market..maybe LG?
Worldwide?

Micromax, Xiaomi, and countless other tiny Indian and Chinese manufacturers that are settling in under the canopy of everyone else.

Samsung, broadly, is still selling their cheaper devices well, but they're increasingly getting run out of emerging territories by even cheaper competitors.
 

Danthrax

Batteries the CRISIS!
Everything that differentiated it Android from iOS, Samsung conveniently ripped away.

1. SD Card slot
2. Removable battery

On top of that, Sammy has started to lock down their bootloader. It's so many steps backwards, I can't begin to fathom what the hell they are doing any more. It's great that Touchwiz is lighter, but that's not what the conversation should be in 2015. Touchwiz should be completely gone.

It's stuff like this that makes me wonder why people say the S6 is the best Galaxy yet.

I feel like my S5 is the superior device.
 

catmincer

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Galaxy phones, since S5, have great screens and camera but i can't buy a Samsung phone because they look so cheap and ugly.

Their design team is very bad. Compared to an iPhone or an Xperia phone or even an HTC One, the Galaxy line looks like it's made of cheap materials. Never been a fan of that especially when my brother bought the S5 and the thing broke so easily.

Same. Even though they changed the materials for the S6. I just don't like the design.
 

Lothars

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Much of your post is not accurate or grounded in reality. Their sales have been declining for some time, including with their Galaxy line, irrespective of the inclusion of SD card slots or removable batteries. This new release simply correlates with the trend. The biggest factor is most probably just general market saturation and the increasing costs attributed to their devices.
I think your posts are the one's not grounded in reality. Samsung threw away the biggest things that differentiated the galaxy line, I would tell nobody to buy an S6 because of the lack of sd card and battery removal. It's a bad thing in general.
 
I love mine. Problem is I think Samsung has gotten a bad rep last few years plus the prices are redo vomits for an S6. With that being said it is definitely the best Android phone out right now.
 
Touchwiz is just a Tizen overlay. Samsung isn't going to nuke that because they want to get people to move on to Tizen... eventually.
Tizen is never going to replace Android in Samsung's high end phones. Never.

If Samsung cuts out Android, Google will cut out Samsung, and people aren't going to buy the S-Whatever if they can't get Google apps or access to the Play Store.
 
Was told by ee I would have to wait 4 to 5 weeks for the edge.

At the end of the day what can a new smart phone do that my iPhone 5 can't??

It makes calls, text, emails, Internet and great apps. The new phones aren't doing anything my 2 and a half year old phone can't do
 
Isn't it still by far the best selling Android phone with these numbers?

The article is more about how investors react to expectations and declining sales; the expectation is for upward trends not downward ones.. the expectation is to meet or beat the sales you promise investors.

Based on those expectations, it's really bad news for Samsung.

But they are still selling incredibly well regardless aren't they?

And I imagine they still sell tons of S5's too.

Based on Samsung's own projections it's bad. One would assume they use those projections to gage production; which means they might have a ton of unsold inventory or have wasted money spinning up unneeded factories.

They are getting eaten from the bottom, which is pretty common. That how Samsung has found success in the first place. They eroded the established Japanese giants from the bottom up. They made stuff that was affordable quality. Now they have to deal with the Huawei's and Xiaomi's of the world doing the same thing to them.

It's tough to be the king.
 

HardRojo

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Not surprised. I've seen a lot of people switch to the iPhone 6 this year, aggressive promotions and the bigger size helped a lot I suppose. I'm an S4 user and am thinking about switching over to iOS since my biggest gripe with iPhone was the smaller screen, which isn't an issue anymore.
 

solarus

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I love my s6 so much, besides the note 4 its the first Samsung phone that's really nailed it, amazing build quality and its just lightning fast, touchwiz is good too I legitamtely love the multi tasking just the icons are ugly.
 
Was told by ee I would have to wait 4 to 5 weeks for the edge.

At the end of the day what can a new smart phone do that my iPhone 5 can't??

It makes calls, text, emails, Internet and great apps. The new phones aren't doing anything my 2 and a half year old phone can't do

Larger screen.

Fingerprint reader.

Apply pay.

Faster processor, better battery life, better camera, larger storage.
 

zedge

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I think your posts are the one's not grounded in reality. Samsung threw away the biggest things that differentiated the galaxy line, I would tell nobody to buy an S6 because of the lack of sd card and battery removal. It's a bad thing in general.
Did you even read his post??? Damn. He's actually talking real figures back to the s4 and s5 both of which had the magical everyone must have it sd card slot. Sales have been declining for a while. If the numbers in the op are accurate the s6 is still selling as good as the old galaxy's with sd card slots. Kind of contradicts what you are saying. :/
 

SURGEdude

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I have never in my life ever heard anyone refer to a phone's build quality and virtually everyone I know or even see on in public has a case.

Nor do I hear people talk about SD cards.

*Rarely* I hear about removable batteries or customization.

Most of the features or aspects touted by people on either side of the phone wars don't matter to most people.

Cost, Battery life, screen size, phone size, screen quality are all anyone seems to care about.

You might not hear people specifically mention build quality but it sells pretty much every product in person from phones to cars.
 
Forbes really are geniuses, they let anybody post a blog to Forbes.com and rake in billions of hits for random shit written for free by people who have nothing to do with Forbes.

I'm honestly tired of the way Android is always being fucked around with and Google is introducing more bugs than they fix lately and making things worse, not better. I got my dad an iP6+ because I didn't want to make him put up with the shit I put up with daily and if it weren't for the fact that text is still tiny on it I would seriously consider switching to iP6S+ this year. I wonder if Apple knows that keeping the same tiny-ass text size on huge screen defeats the purpose.
 
They've also increased the price on every generation since the S3 success.

For me, I'm not convinced that the S6 was a radical redesign. All phones have been way too similar recently.
 

Atolm

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One of the problems I have lately with flagship Android phones is that they're trying to price-match Apple phones. Usually they were much cheaper with fairly similar or even better specs (Apple is still using 1GB of RAM, right?) but that's not the case anymore, S6 launched at the same price point of iPhone 6.

I buy Android phones because I can't afford an iPhone (or any Apple product really), and I feel that's the case for most people. When the prices are the same you'll think twice about what to buy.
 

solarus

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Forbes really are geniuses, they let anybody post a blog to Forbes.com and rake in billions of hits for random shit written for free by people who have nothing to do with Forbes.

I'm honestly tired of the way Android is always being fucked around with and Google is introducing more bugs than they fix lately and making things worse, not better. I got my dad an iP6+ because I didn't want to make him put up with the shit I put up with daily and if it weren't for the fact that text is still tiny on it I would seriously consider switching to iP6S+ this year. I wonder if Apple knows that keeping the same tiny-ass text size on huge screen defeats the purpose.
Pretty sure you can increase the font size in settings.
 
Next gen, they should scrap the edges and go full edgeless; It's the future. Aside from that and less Touchwiz and other proprietary software, and adding back features they've removed like IP-52 and SD Cards (I don't care much for removable batteries but it was a nice option) the only thing left to do is stop trying to be Apple-priced.
 

Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
I have an s6, and i love it. but they should of never gotten rid of the removable battery and the sd card.

that was their problem.
 

Talon

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Forbes really are geniuses, they let anybody post a blog to Forbes.com and rake in billions of hits for random shit written for free by people who have nothing to do with Forbes.

I'm honestly tired of the way Android is always being fucked around with and Google is introducing more bugs than they fix lately and making things worse, not better. I got my dad an iP6+ because I didn't want to make him put up with the shit I put up with daily and if it weren't for the fact that text is still tiny on it I would seriously consider switching to iP6S+ this year. I wonder if Apple knows that keeping the same tiny-ass text size on huge screen defeats the purpose.
You realize you can scale system-wide fonts, right?
 
-Features that they marketed + made them unique (waterproof, removable battery, expandable storage)

+ A more generic UI overlay and more fragile design

+ A curved version that cuts text off and adds two huge glares on both sides (if you're going to go bold with design, go bold. And don't introduce a major flaw with it. Don't create two versions. This ones a little cooler for more money! No.)

Yeah this wasn't going to go wrong.

They need to do something truly innovative. 6 Plus won me back over.
 

Talon

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-Features that they marketed + made them unique (waterproof, removable battery, expandable storage)

+ A more generic UI overlay and more fragile design

+ A curved version that cuts text off and adds two huge glares on both sides (if you're going to go bold with design, go bold. And don't introduce a major flaw with it. Don't create two versions. This ones a little cooler for more money! No.)

Yeah this wasn't going to go wrong.

They need to do something truly innovative. 6 Plus won me back over.
Sort of confused about how you can say both these statements.

Innovation /= good design. Samsung doesn't understand that.
 
At least when apple charges you 600 bucks for a phone its not made out of twigs and elmer's glue. S4 is where I parted ways with samsung.

Samsung used to be terrible, but you should really see the S6. Quality is really good. Screens are unbelievable. The Edge looks particularly cool.
 
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