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[whytemyke]

Phones in general are seeing declines and the high-end seems harder hit. There's not enough to really push the market, all the growth is in cheap phones and Samsung hasn't been doing well there.

I think it's more that the bottom of the market has innovated faster than the top. The difference between a $300 phone with contact and a $50 one these days isn't nearly what it used to be.

I also wonder how much the carrier changing the way they sell the phones is impacting all this.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Nope, my dad is in another state. But I might have to look seriously into iP6S+ then. I'll really miss my Note's stylus though if I do that.

You can change the font-size in the settings. Don't know what it's called in English, but I'm sure if you pressed search and typed "size" you'd find something xD

I personally keep it at extra-small, apps look compact and I can see more on the screen

 

[Purple Cheeto]

It's 2015.

Put a fucking SD slot in your god damn phone.

It's 2015, I haven't routinely used SD cards in 5 years.

 

[……forgetit]

Then why is the s6 universally reviewed extremely positively?

http://flagship.reviews/smart-phones/samsung/galaxy-s6

The one to point out there is Forbes: The best Android phone of all time.

Interesting.

This is a case of critics not lining up with public opinion.

Most of the glowing reviews centered around the aluminum and glass construction, something hat critics eat up and have been wanting in samsung phones for years.

The truth is though, the generally public doesn't give a shit about that because they'll just put it in a case anyway.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a naked iphone or galaxy s5.

 

[Gibbo]

They lost me as a customer with how shoddily built the S4 was.

Yup i owned both the s2 and s3. Both had overheating problems (where the thermometer image appeared) within a year of owning those phones

 

[ArtHands]

They started out as a not-iphone. Now they starts to become another iphone-clone now. Its a no brainer their sales will suffer.

Not to mention that they have conditioned their fanbase to "no sd card/removable battery no sales" for years during their attack on iphone. Stripped these and their fanbase either hold onto their s5 or jumped ship elsewhere.

Also this
http://www.businessinsider.sg/oppen...et-on-galaxy-s6-hardware-2015-5/#.VV5tW1LXfCQ

 

[-Deadpool-]

Lack of SD card fucked them over.

Seriously.

For me anyway, no expandable memory = no buy. Ever.

Very pleased with my Xperia Z3.

 

[……forgetit]

They started out as a not-iphone. Now they starts to become another iphone-clone now. Its a no brainer their sales will suffer.

Not to mention that they have conditioned their fanbase to "no sd card/removable battery no sales" for years during their attack on iphone. Stripped these and their fanbase either hold onto their s5 or jumped ship elsewhere.

Also this
http://www.businessinsider.sg/oppen...et-on-galaxy-s6-hardware-2015-5/#.VV5tW1LXfCQ

Well their sales suffered as "not-iphone" too. Really it's hard to find an explanation for what's happening.

 

[gcubed]

Well their sales suffered as "not-iphone" too. Really it's hard to find an explanation for what's happening.

its not hard. Look at the HTC trajectory. Refusal to fix glaring issues until it was too late cratered their market share.

Sense and a terrible strategy around phone models killed HTC. You don't get return customers when you sell them a shitty phone, which is why you saw the peak at around the GS4.

 

[nib95]

I think the argument is that if those features mean nothing then what is to explain the poor sales? I think price is the only other reasonable response.

As I said earlier, price and market saturation. There's so many devices to choose from now, and so many that are much cheaper, it was always going to be a harder sell for Samsung. The S6 and S6 Edge are absurdly expensive devices, and in a market where you can get devices half the price or less, that offer mostly the same, a chunk of the market was always going to be harder to grasp. Hell, on release in the UK, many carriers wanted £50 a month on long term contracts for this phone, and money up front for the device on top of that. The cost for procuring these sorts of devices is getting out of hand. Even Apple could have seen declines in sales if it weren't for the Chinese market, which is making up for more and more of the sales percentages.

 

[JMizzlin]

At least in Australia, the price is wrong.

I just upgraded from an S4 to an HTC One M9 and the difference is night and day. Really preferring the HTC interface to TouchWiz (even solo launcher which I was using instead).

The thing that would have made me get an S6 would have been if Samsung had maintained a few of the features they introduced to the S5. But they didn't, and after two years my S4 started running like absolute shit with some awful hardware faults (constantly thinks the sim is ejected). I think the Galaxy is done.

 

[NotBacon]

Sorry, Apple's got it right here: SD cards are janky, slow, and need to die.
That being said, OEMs need to step their game up and make 32gb the minimum storage capacity to accelerate this.

 

[weekend_warrior]

It's 2015.

Put a fucking SD slot in your god damn phone.

Exactly, it's 2015.

Fast 4G is wildly available, caps are reasonable high, streaming services are plentiful. Not only that but internal storage space is getting much higher (128gb vs 16gb in many phones last year), there's almost no need to include a much slower, much less reliable storage type in ned phones. It's like asking for floppy disk drives in modern computers.

 

[BeforeU]

lol the fuck do people do with all the storage? so many complaining about SD card. Yes its nice to have but not a deal breaker. Pretty much all my pics and videos are seamlessly stored on onedrive. I regularly clear it, may be once in 6month. I use Lumia 1520 btw which does have SD card slot. But I never needed it. There is plenty of music and apps I can store. Its 32GB model.

I regularly store videos in it and delete them once I have seen them during my commute.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Exactly, it's 2015.

Fast 4G is wildly available, caps are reasonable high, streaming services are plentiful. Not only that but internal storage space is getting much higher (128gb vs 16gb in many phones last year), there's almost no need to include a much slower, much less reliable storage type in ned phones. It's like asking for floppy disk drives in modern computers.

Too bad the S6 battery life fries faster than bread. Doesn't make sense to be continually connected to 4G like that.

 

[Jimrpg]

S6 is a great phone though, the best yet from Samsung. Too bad all the previous years users wanted to switch.

 

[giga]

Regular people don't care about sd cards. Nerd are delusional. The s6 looks like a fine device, in terms of hardware, but that price wasn't doing them any favors.

 

[Draper]

I feel kinda bad actually. Seems like a quality product.

 

[Netherscourge]

The S5 is their best phone because it still has a removable battery and expandable storage.

They gave those up with the S6 and it killed the phone, IMO.

 

[badb0y]

Man, no one gives a shit about SD cards. The market for Android phones is just too competitive and Samsung is feeling the heat because of that.

 

[Netherscourge]

lol the fuck do people do with all the storage? so many complaining about SD card. Yes its nice to have but not a deal breaker. Pretty much all my pics and videos are seamlessly stored on onedrive. I regularly clear it, may be once in 6month. I use Lumia 1520 btw which does have SD card slot. But I never needed it. There is plenty of music and apps I can store. Its 32GB model.

I regularly store videos in it and delete them once I have seen them during my commute.

Well, I take videos all the time for my son and then burn them onto DvDs to watch later. Trains, planes, boats, animals... I have hours of videos and they eat up space really fast.

He loves watching stuff like that and I love filling up my SD card for him with that stuff.

I doubt I'm alone in this.

 

[Messofanego]

This is a case of critics not lining up with public opinion.

Most of the glowing reviews centered around the aluminum and glass construction, something hat critics eat up and have been wanting in samsung phones for years.

The truth is though, the generally public doesn't give a shit about that because they'll just put it in a case anyway.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a naked iphone or galaxy s5.

Mine is different but I haven't put a cover on the Note 4 cause of that grippy back.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Man, no one gives a shit about SD cards. The market for Android phones is just too competitive and Samsung is feeling the heat because of that.

too competitive yet they're all pretty much either bombing or irrelevant. The issue is that the majority of android phones that are selling are cheap ones and apple owns the high end by far. The race to the bottom only has losers.

 

[Suikoguy]

Mine is different but I haven't put a cover on the Note 4 cause of that grippy back.

Yeah, I go bare with my Note 4. No screen protector, no case. And so far, no problems.

 

[giga]

Well, I take videos all the time for my son and then burn them onto DvDs to watch later. Trains, planes, boats, animals... I have hours of videos and they eat up space really fast.

He loves watching stuff like that and I love filling up my SD card for him with that stuff.

I doubt I'm alone in this.

You're crazy if you think a significant share of people burn DVDs today.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Too bad the S6 battery life fries faster than bread. Doesn't make sense to be continually connected to 4G like that.

That honestly sounds like a much worse problem than a missing SD slot.

I feel kinda bad actually. Seems like a quality product.

Having a quality product is table stakes these days for a phone.

 

[jey_16]

The funny thing is that the 10m in a month destroys all the other mainstream android makers. LG, Sony, Motorola etc. would kill for sales like that.

Its only poor compared to Apple

 

[Netherscourge]

You're crazy if you think a significant share of people burn DVDs today.

I meant more the taking videos part.

I also transfer them to USB sticks.

I need to get a big fat USB drive. DVDs fill up too fast too lol. I only take 1080p videos in MP4 format and yet they still fill up SD cards pretty fast.

They're too big for cloud storage.

I wholly support expandable storage.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Is it because they release new versions too often?

What does this post even mean? They release a new model yearly just like every phone company?

 

[Opto]

It's a sexy phone, but I think people are finally getting tech exhaustion

 

[Netherscourge]

That honestly sounds like a much worse problem than a missing SD slot.

Poor battery life is the #1 problem for all phones.

Yet, it never seems to be the priority. Battery life isn't as sexy sounding as a fingerprint scanner, which most people don't even use.

 

[SURGEdude]

It's a sexy phone, but I think people are finally getting tech exhaustion

I think the iPhone 6S will be a great barometer of if the market for high end phones has slowed. The 6 was such a big change it isn't really clear, and the S6's issues might speak more to competition and price than anything else.

Either way China is showing explosive growth so manufacturers don't need to worry yet.

 

[TomShoe]

Is it true that the battery isn't removable? If so, fuck that. I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but that's a serious deal-breaker right there. Probably going to charge a shit-ton of money to replace the battery, I'd rather do it myself.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Played around with it a couple of days ago.

It's a really really good looking phone. The first phone that had me go, "DAMN!" since the iPhone 6

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I think the iPhone 6S will be a great barometer of if the market for high end phones has slowed. The 6 was such a big change it isn't really clear, and the S6's issues might speak more to competition and price than anything else..

people say that about every iphone release. Of course it's going to be right sooner or later but every.damn.year. lol. The 4S will decline. The 5 will decline. The 5S is the one! No way the 6 can beat last gen.

 

[Netherscourge]

It's a sexy phone, but I think people are finally getting tech exhaustion

I think the main problem is that there is no reason to upgrade anymore.

Both iPhones and Galaxy phones are pretty much plateaued.

Unless someone comes up with an amazing new feature, there's no reason to get an iPhone 7 or a Galaxy S7. They're pretty much clones and the same must-have apps are in both ecosystems.

Heck, the only real reason to buy a new phone now is if you break your current phone and it's out of warranty.

 

[SURGEdude]

people say that about every iphone release. Of course it's going to be right sooner or later but every.damn.year. lol. The 4S will decline. The 5 will decline. The 5S is the one! No way the 6 can beat last gen.

You misread my intent. I actually totally disagree that the high end is declining and that that's an excuse for why the S6 is under performing like some are suggesting.

 

[Trojan X]

Marginal upgrade equal marginal results. They can only blame themselves. Even now I am looking at Sony's handsets rather than upgrading my Note 3 to the next Samsung product. They have to really convince me and the rest of the world and right now they are not doing that, especially with that Edge gimmick.

 

[terrisus]

Unless someone comes up with an amazing new feature, there's no reason to get an iPhone 7 or a Galaxy S7. They're pretty much clones and the same must-have apps are in both ecosystems.

Well, neither of them are waterproof...
They could try that...
>.>


Samsung had differentiating features with the S5.
It's just too bad they removed them with the S6

 

[Sir Abacus]

Poor battery life is the #1 problem for all phones.

Yet, it never seems to be the priority. Battery life isn't as sexy sounding as a fingerprint scanner, which most people don't even use.

My iPhone 6+ is at 48% at 6pm after running around Fanime all day and using it to test stuff and look stuff up on the fly. My fingerprint scanner is the quickest and my primary method for unlocking my phone and paying with Apple Pay.

If there's a balance in these things Apple have probably found it.

 

[gcubed]

You misread my intent. I actually totally disagree that the high end is declining and that that's an excuse for why the S6 is under performing like some are suggesting.

the high end "on android" is declining. There is tons of pressure from budget and mid range phones for less than half the cost of high end phones that offer good enough and even comparable performance.

 

[Nothing1016]

Disappointing sales. They want those Apple numbers or at least want to see growth in their mobile division. Clearly neither of those are happening as we are seeing stagnation. They are chasing after a market that is seemingly only buying iPhones. At least the race to the bottom is good for consumers.

 

[To Far Away Times]

I've always felt the Galaxy phones weren't really worth the price. The build quality and materials are noticeably poor but Samsung priced these phones as being high end.

Didn't they just start not using cheapo plastic everywhere?

There are much better Android phones out there.

 

[skybald]

I've always felt the Galaxy phones weren't really worth the price. The build quality and materials are noticeably poor but Samsung priced these phones as being high end.

Didn't they just start not using cheapo plastic everywhere?

There are much better Android phones out there.

Have you seen an S6? Thing is damn beautiful. I have the black iPhone 6 while my brother has the gold S6 and I think the build quality on his phone is stunning and it certainly had me second guessing my choice of the i6

 

[Goldenroad]

I'm happy with my S5 and see no reason to upgrade. Not a shot at Samsung at all...I just don't need to buy new phones more often than I buy new underwear.

 

[ArtHands]

Well their sales suffered as "not-iphone" too. Really it's hard to find an explanation for what's happening.

For the past few years, they have increased their flagship phone price to match the iphone. The dropping of Flash support (though not Samsung fault) doesn't help along the way.

This is where the Samsung phone users started to split between budget phone users and flagship expensive phone users. The budget phone users switched to other android manufacturers, while the flagship expensive phone audience switched to iphone or hold onto the S5.

Samsung and its fanbase shone and exaggerated the 'flaws' of iphone, and now its slapping them back in the face.

Samsung trolled competitors with its S5 waterproof ALS ice bucket challenge video.S6 has got no waterproof now

Samsung trolled iphone with the wall hugger ad, touting its removable battery. S6 has got no removable battery now.

Samsung attacked iphone's bendgate. S6 faces a bendgate of its own that's as severe if not worse compared to iphone's bendgate.

Samsung should be glad nobody picks up the scratched screen controversy yet.

 

[x3sphere]

I've always felt the Galaxy phones weren't really worth the price. The build quality and materials are noticeably poor but Samsung priced these phones as being high end.

Didn't they just start not using cheapo plastic everywhere?

There are much better Android phones out there.

The S6 feels more premium than a iPhone 6 to me. Not to mention the screen is leagues better. It's far and away the best Android phone if you don't care about an SD card and removable battery.

Thing is people don't want to buy high end Android phone that's the same price as an iPhone no matter how good it is. Samsung's competition is the mid range Android market, they aren't going to take sales away from Apple. If they want to break new sales records it's going to take coming out with a high end phone at a mid range price.

 

[Zombie James]

70 million.

Earlier this year that was the number of Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge smartphones Samsung claimed it would sell in 2015. Samsung also claimed to have taken 20M pre-orders prior to both phones’ release. Sadly one month on the reality looks disastrously different…

Korean news agency Yonhap reports that it has taken a month for sales of the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge to reach 10M.

Let me see if I got this right...

1. Samsung projected 70 million S6 sales in 2015.
2. The S6 sold 10 million in one month.
3. There are seven months left in the year.

Disaster?

 

[vicissitudes]

Let me see if I got this right...

1. Samsung projected 70 million S6 sales in 2015.
2. The S6 sold 10 million in one month.
3. There are seven months left in the year.

Disaster?

Yeah I think the author of the article screwed up on his math. 10 million / month + 7 more months = 80 million total, so they're exceeding their projections. Actually with the Christmas months it may be even more than that.

 

[jey_16]

He doesnt actually work for Forbes, just a contributor....