sixteen-bit
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MLIG talks NES RGB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QNALuSkLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QNALuSkLA
NES/Famicom Appreciation Thread
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Very interesting video.
IrishNinja
Member
thorough, and after the low bar metaljesus/others set on these subjects it's great to see something this informative. the WU VC comparisons at the end were great too.
That was a really nice video, esp. after some of the crap out there. This really reminds me I need to save up for a nes rgb.... maybe I should skip the everdrive for my upcoming bday and put that torwards this... choices choices.
entremet
Member
You mean, KOM-po shit, amirite? lol
D.Lo
Member
I am sick to death of people in RGB threads typing 'composhit' as well. Just use the normal word, it's not clever. I'm guessing some youtube asshole says it like that and that's where people get it?
It's not really a big leap to get to lol
Nice! I have been waiting for them to do one of these after they did the excellent 101-series and the equally great one on the Master System. Very informative again!
entremet
Member
I got it from the RGB thread too lol.
Well, I always said it like KOM-po-sit, strange to see it said differently.
Same for me.
entremet
Member
RGB modding is very niche. Heck, I don't think many American retro gamers know about it still.
Plus you also need compatible monitors, which are not widely available or a Framemiester which aren't cheap.
I follow a lot of retro Youtubers and many either don't find it a worthwhile investment or plainly don't know about it!
lol i've never heard it pronounced with an r.
D.Lo
Member
Bad example by me actually, came from an English perspective. Americans over-pronounce r too. It causes syllables to affect the next word if it begins with a vowel. 'For Ever' in English becomes 'Foh Rever'.
On composite, I was referring to the standard American pronunciation, like the guy in the video above. Soft r, like 'PAH'.
By emphasising the incorrect syllable, the short o sound becomes a longer 'ah' sound.
The very similar word 'compost' doesn't get pronounced 'com-POHST'.
theSlacker
Member
You all should be happy that more big youtube people haven't explained and backed RGB stuff. Do you really want all the good studio monitors and cables to shoot up in price?
That's a very cool video. I'm just a bit sad they don't show examples from real CRT displays instead of LCD with whatever connection: it makes Composite worse and RGB looks unreal. That kinds of defeat their point imo.
entremet
Member
Depends on your market. They're pretty pricey in NYC.
I'm not just competing with retro gamers, but TV/film people.
For example:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/pho/4997521382.html
Huggers
Member
Yeah we have a console for the average gamer. It's called the retron 5
theSlacker
Member
Holy shit. People actually pay that kind of money for them there? I payed a third of the price for a 20m4u.
From my experience with my area (northern VA/DC), the only competition I've had is other people who are into retro gaming, and recently people who recognize that that is the market and have started buying them all up to resell for much higher like all retro gaming stuff. A common thing I ran into when buying various PVM/BVM units is people thinking that they are still used for professional film/TV, thus thinking they still sell for a ton, while in my area (I assume) that just wasn't the case. I really had no idea that there were people that still used them for film/tv production reasons.
Also it's not that I advocate hiding info. It's that I've seen the direct effect on game prices when certain ecelebrities cover them. I've also seen what as SNES RGB cable has gone for when RCA has listed them as auctions.
To be fair though, even the retron has it's place. In the same way that a hipster who has a large vinyl collection may not care about the actual sound quality of their equipment, the same is true for some vidya collectors.
Huggers
Member
I just don't understand it. It's an emulator. Why bother collecting original carts if you're then going to just use an emulator. Each to their own of course but it wouldn't do for me at all. And the vinyl comparison is a good one. Surely you buy vinyl for its distinct sound. I know everyone's different but if you're spending big money on carts etc surely you want the best out of them
7DollarHagane
Banned
Really a original Wii that's modded with component to CRT is the best option for a lot of this stuff on a budget. probably cost you $75 at most to play all of Genesis, SNES, NES, TG16, sega cd, game boy, game gear, master system, etc libraries on CRT with reasonably good quality.
D.Lo
Member
Tim Worthington's NESRGB board is a colour emulator. Unless you're playing a Playchoice 10 game on an original cabinet, original hardware doesn't create an RGB image, the RGB colour is not original. Composite is the most 'genuine' NES image.
An XRGB is a CRT emulator.
The issue with the Retron is execution, not the idea. If it was nice hardware that emulated as well as, say, the Wii does, and cost a lot less than an RGB modded NES plus a Framemeister, that would be a pretty nice box for a lot of people.
The issue that has created the market is that LCDs have completely shit scalers in them, particularly for composite and 240p, so actual genuine original hardware looks like garbage on any TV currently available. I haven't experienced the Retron myself, but I'd be guessing it does look better than a real Fami/NES on modern TVs. Might be moving from a 2/10 to a 4/10 image, but that's still an improvement.
I mean I personally am all the way down the rabbit hole, I plug my $300 RGB AV Famicom and FDS into my $300 Framemesiter and use my original carts and disks in it. But most people don't have $600 just to make their 30 year old games look better.
Huggers
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We had the discussion a while back about Evil Tims board and whether it constituted emulation. It's kind of a stretch to compare what it is doing with a traditional emulator. I concur that the execution is disastrous with the Retron 5 though
Yep this is a good way to go
To me plugging carts into an emulator box is a gimmick
D.Lo
Member
Yes it's one tiny step down the path of emulation, the other is the whole mile. My point being just that 'emulator' by itself isn't a dirty word.
I know where you're coming from, I wouldn't touch the thing and it's conceptually dumb (effectively it is just dumping the cart to RAM and then is literally an android emulator box, just with your own fresh 'rip' each time), but I guess there's some value to people knowing it is their own childhood ROM chips being played.
Wii is indeed the best budget solution, and legit to boot, unlike Raspberry Pi piracy boxes etc. But even the Wii needs a bulky 'now useless for any other purpose' CRT or a scaler to look fully correct, with scaliness and whatnot.
IrishNinja
Member
talk to 'em
yiikes
that's my boy right there, for like...double if not triple what ive seen it for
yeah i was enjoying D Lo's talk about degrees of emulation & why it's not a dirty word in itself, but if you've the space, this really is about the cheapest option
Finally got a chance to play Batman Return of the Joker...and wow, it's not as good as the 1st game. I don't like the level design as much and the weapons are odd with the 1 shot missile one being the best one. I'll try to beat it soon since levels seem so short for some reason.
Also I hate the 3rd stage, lol.
Also I hate the 3rd stage, lol.
Re-played Monster Party today. Beat it in about a half hour and died once. I actually like it a bit more, I'll have to add it as a bonus on my top 10 NES action/platformers (along with Nightmare on Elm Street, that game is pretty decent and isn't bad, I don't care what anyone say's).
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Monster Party is bad. The controls are good. The graphics are more than satisfactory (except for the dick bat). The music is okay. It has an interesting gimmick with being able to reflect projectiles and picking up a powerup to transform into an entirely different character. The enemy designs are amusing.
On the downside it feels like you just have to cheese quite a few bosses. Reflecting projectiles doesn't work like it should. The maze level with all the doors is horrible. And the glitch in the 2nd to last level automatically takes it down a peg.
But, I still think it's a fun little game. 6 or 7 out of 10 for me. If I played it as a kid (and I grew up as a massive fan of horror movies) I would have really liked it.
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Monster Party is bad. The controls are good. The graphics are more than satisfactory (except for the dick bat). The music is okay. It has an interesting gimmick with being able to reflect projectiles and picking up a powerup to transform into an entirely different character. The enemy designs are amusing.
On the downside it feels like you just have to cheese quite a few bosses. Reflecting projectiles doesn't work like it should. The maze level with all the doors is horrible. And the glitch in the 2nd to last level automatically takes it down a peg.
But, I still think it's a fun little game. 6 or 7 out of 10 for me. If I played it as a kid (and I grew up as a massive fan of horror movies) I would have really liked it.
It's kind of funny to see them talking about the Analogue NT as if it is a thing that exists. I understand why they're doing it; it might someday and their video should remain relevant etc.
But man. I don't think that thing is ever going to exist.
And even if it will exist, it will fall right on its ass.
I'd really be shitting my pants if I were Christoph. I would imagine he did in fact use all the money he got for r&d and production, and he doesn't have what was promised to show for it. Port strike my ass.
baphomet
Member
Not to mention his prototype board doesn't even include the components to produce rgb.
I remember you mentioning that. Seems like he needs the viletim board still right?
Man, what's he going to do for the HDMI? Gut a bunch of those shifty scart to HDMI dealers?
It needs to exist at some point!!!
Is Christoph posting anywhere anything about the delays? His Facebook page has gone dead silent and he was chased out of NG with pitchforks. Is there some Nintendo forum he still posts on?
El Pescado
Member
I got an email at the end of April saying they should start shipping out at the end of May.
I love my CMVS though so I have a little more faith than some of you guys.
RadarScope1
Member
Pretty great summation of the whole situation. I'll be going the $600 route.
sixteen-bit
Member
I would have considered an Analog NT if it was half its price and I had the possibility to use my own harvested CPU and PPU. Also its AV-out is still quite nebulous, I need a pinout to know what I'm up against. I would have loved a Scart socket for maximum compatibility instead of having to deal with their own overpriced cable or random cheap cables on eBay.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Analogue NT had their fith or sixth delay (I lost count) to April, then May. They swore they'll ship by end of May. Well, May is almost gone and we still haven't seen even a video of Analogue NT. For all I can tell the product doesn't exist.
I am $500 down on one. They have promised to refund to anyone who demands a refund. I don't care for the money, I'll keep my money invested to keep GAF informed about the fiasco, that way I can give first hand info.
entremet
Member
Oh wow...