Hideaki Anno predicts decline of anime in 5 to 20 years
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angelcage87
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Gaf, what I've always wondered about is if anime producers (or Japan in general) knows how loli/moe anime is perceived outside of Japan, or hell what is the general opinion of the country towards the issue? I've never seen any comment from mangakas or or producers about the creepiness of certain animes or mangas, is it just socially accepted or...?
pants
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Kill La Kill was garbage, I'd rather have a season filled with crap and 1 show like Silver Spoon or Ping Pong than have the industry tend towards it.
I've all but stopped watching anime. It takes a 'major' series such as Attack on Titan to get me back into watching it, but otherwise I'm just a little fed up of all the moe pandering and fan service that's going on in most series these days.
I'm not going to pretend as if 90's and 2000's anime was this gold standard that current stuff isn't matching, but I feel tastes have changed and studios are more worried financially than ever. Of course they're going to follow the money.
I'm not going to pretend as if 90's and 2000's anime was this gold standard that current stuff isn't matching, but I feel tastes have changed and studios are more worried financially than ever. Of course they're going to follow the money.
Basileus777
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Unfortunately the comedy in Nichijou is terribly and bizarrely unfunny. It's a waste of some amazing production values.
Unknown Soldier
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I knew there was a reason I liked Anno so much.
His alter ego who appeared in Shirobako seemed really cool too.
The hate and apathy is strong in this thread (it is funny and entertaining though so keep it coming). Anime will truck along. Sure I can see it become less important the same way Disney used to be relevant for any age (I mean what Disney cartoon is made with an adult audience in mind today?) but as long as one or two great series squirt out every year I'm content.
Anime companies to REALLY go broke then.
FO-totality
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Exactly. Especially because it would mean that would have to admit they were wrong, and that's too much to ask of your average GAFfer, hell, anyone online. The electric wall of anonymity that is message boards and the internet will keep them in their own little worlds unchanged.
Probably right, but funnily where 5 or so years ago I wouldn't have been too bothered, in recent years there have actually been a lot of anime series that I've really enjoyed. I just finished Your Lie in April recently and started on Heroic Legend of Arslan. Both have been really nice.
Be a shame to lose the good stuff just because there's so much trash around.
Be a shame to lose the good stuff just because there's so much trash around.
There is a lot of bad and boring series around right now, but this has always been the case.
The "decline of animé" according to Hideaki Anno is something that casual viewers will not experience in any way. Hardcore viewers might notice that something is amiss, but the decline will happen in conjunction with an incline. Meaning it's all good.
On a side note, watched the ending of Unlimited Blade Works. They completely fucked this nice storyline, didn't they.
The "decline of animé" according to Hideaki Anno is something that casual viewers will not experience in any way. Hardcore viewers might notice that something is amiss, but the decline will happen in conjunction with an incline. Meaning it's all good.
On a side note, watched the ending of Unlimited Blade Works. They completely fucked this nice storyline, didn't they.
I can never get enough of the ignorance of the people that don't follow the anime industry at all. There's probably AT LEAST one anime every single season that you'd all enjoy.
You should all watch Shirobako.
i don't care. burn it down.
I can never get enough of the ignorance of the people that don't follow the anime industry at all. There's probably AT LEAST one anime every single season that you'd all enjoy.
You should all watch Shirobako.
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teruterubozu
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5 to 20 years. lol. Such a confident prediction.
Werewolf Jones
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Anno causing the crash of anime after how bad 3.33 was. God damn.
JordanN
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To be fair, Disney have been researching 3D to 2D techniques, so it's not like they've completely forgotten the medium.
If anything, I think it's going to be CGI that will revive 2D animation in the near future.
A.D. Skinner
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The subtitles on those gifs aren't even correct, and they're everywhere.
Triplicates
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There will be a resurgence here, like in games, if and when Japan begins targeting the global audience. Having an inconsequential domestic market has been a boon for Korean cultural exports and the same pressures arriving in Japan may be healthier for long-term relevance.
Its the usual OT GAF trashing anime routine. Not surprising.
With that kind of generalizations, you'd think anime killed their family or something
Kill La Kill was garbage, I'd rather have a season filled with crap and 1 show like Silver Spoon or Ping Pong than have the industry tend towards it.
lol, what is this from?
Dragon Ball Super begins in July.
iRAWRasaurus
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The interview.
The Technomancer
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The pandering to otakus thing is both tricky and unfortunate. The timing of things seems like it hadn't quite gained the foothold necessary in the rest of the world to begin a larger global play before the economic contractions hit hard enough that they had to rely on customers who would obsessively buy every figure and highly priced DVD/Blu collection featuring their "best girl"
bengraven
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I miss the fucking tentpole movies. You'd have one or two per year that even excited the (at the time, mostly ignorant about anime) mainstream US press. Sure you were sharing bootleg DBZ, Sailor Moon, Tenchi tv shows, but you went to Suncoast and fucking paid your 30-40 bucks for that VHS of Blood.
Oh I watched my fair share of Oh My Goddess! and Tenchi. I still have a ton of OMG comics in fact.
The darker stuff was, other than maybe Ghibli, the things that made headlines. Now it's the opposite. Like this guy says:
HammerOfThor
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Maybe I'm just not watching the right stuff, but anime seems to be lacking originality and "edgy-ness" lately that made it resonate with me back in the day. It feels like too many shows are playing into their own stereotypes.
Snkfanatic
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Man...I love Nichijou and find it hilarious at many points.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I've mostly been watching older anime these days so I agree with them to a large extent. The new shows just don't do it for me. What will be interesting is seeing how other elements of anime influence other works around the world. We've already seen that to an extent in successful works like Avatar and Technotise (if you haven't seen that, go see it!), but that's only the beginning.
At some point I could see stuff like French/Serbian/Slavic nation animation becoming to the animation scene what anime was in the '90s, imho. There are some very inventive works from those places and they have a great number of graphic novels that could benefit from an animation adaptation.
Hopefully it can create a cycle where those works influence Japan animation to try more stuff that isn't so trope-ish and can appeal more to people globally, unlike the heavy otaku-catering stuff that dominates it now and for the foreseeable future.
At some point I could see stuff like French/Serbian/Slavic nation animation becoming to the animation scene what anime was in the '90s, imho. There are some very inventive works from those places and they have a great number of graphic novels that could benefit from an animation adaptation.
Hopefully it can create a cycle where those works influence Japan animation to try more stuff that isn't so trope-ish and can appeal more to people globally, unlike the heavy otaku-catering stuff that dominates it now and for the foreseeable future.
it's....socially accepted
CharminUltra
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High fives for you guys! *back to reading Mazinger*
bengraven
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You would think that if something came out that resonated in the same way that it did in the 90s, people would be telling us this. "Hey, did you like Appleseed? Check out this gritty, lived in feeling mech show...". But no, it's "Hey did you watch these half naked pirate emo kids..."
That Attack on Titan show seems to be the closest to what we actually liked.
Probably. It doesn't seem like a sustainable lifestyle since people have to work ridiculous hours for not much pay, and honestly anime seems to be getting lower and lower effort in general. So much stuff is just throwing the same pile of tropes into a blender and then making some shit out of whatever comes out.
this was the case back in the day too but we had better filters in place that ensured you only saw the "edgy" stuff.
This is why no one takes you to the zoo.
Isn't JoJo enough? Pleeeeenty of volumes left to cover
Attack on Titan is a case of desperate to be edgy and mature when its anything but. But then that describes plenty of mediocre 90s anime too.
Tizoc
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Kill La Kill was garbage, I'd rather have a season filled with crap and 1 show like Silver Spoon or Ping Pong than have the industry tend towards it.
Osamu Tezuka was inspired by Disney's work and animated movies, and he is known as the Father of Anime
It is not the most popular(mainstream) anime recently produced?
pants
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Osamu Tezuka was inspired by Disney's work and animated movies, and he is known as the Father of Anime
It's a huge leap to say it was an intentional sabotage to lower the birthrate of Japan though lol
MetroidPrimeRib
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People really love boulders and forest backgrounds.
Yeah, I'm not sure Anno is in a position to be throwing stones.
In general I still find 2~3 shows a season that interest me. No, they are not anything like the shows I would watch 15-20 years ago, but my tastes have changed over time as well. One way to quickly find fault in anything is to compare it to something you liked as a kid.
Anime will still be around in 10 years but it will likely be very different, who knows how or in what way. Same for any entertainment industry I suppose.
Ganzlinger
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If you are not counting Naruto and One Piece, which are old but sill ongoing.
My biggest issue with the industry how insular and reliant it is on ultra hardcore fans who are willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for overpriced merchandise when the ultra hardcore fans aren't really growing at a rapid rate. It's not sustainable or healthy. Especially with the "mainstream" otaku culture shifting towards idols, anime is going to have a hard time if there aren't some changes to their ongoing business model.
firehawk12
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The same with games and the idol music industry. That stuff will only continue to contract as it appeals to fewer and fewer people.
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