Future Hitler of anime here
Hideaki Anno predicts decline of anime in 5 to 20 years
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Demon Lizardman
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I could go for a resurgence. Moe anime is just not for me and the stories and art style of them are just god awful. I went to an art college and every teacher there hated anime, including the new stuff. A handful of professors though admired earlier works like Berserk, Miyazaki's stuff and old Gundam.
They said the reason why it changed was to pander to the Otaku audience, not to people outside of the otaku.
They said the reason why it changed was to pander to the Otaku audience, not to people outside of the otaku.
When hasn't anime pandered (well not pandered since that's a loaded word these days) or appealed rather to Otaku?
LumpOfCole
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Is there even any truly great comedy anime like Yakitate Japan out there these days? That's the sort of stuff I like.
I tried to watch Kill la Kill and it was just too much.
I did watch Amagi Brilliant Park and that was okay.
I tried to watch Kill la Kill and it was just too much.
I did watch Amagi Brilliant Park and that was okay.
Demon Lizardman
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What they meant, I may have misworded it, is that there was much more variety in the styles and genres. So if you didn't like this genre or style, you could move on to the next one and see if it fits you. Nowadays, it seems like it's just moeblob stuff with maybe a small amount of original content.
You can still find a variety of styles and genres today. It's not just "moeblob" stuff that's out there.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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The 80s anime thread taught me that what anime really needs right now is plenty of "manime" filled with violent rape and gore porn.
It's hard to deny such a statement when you consider the season-by-season releases pumped out annually by the studios that finance it all; a focus on marketing that suggests strict merchandising sales based on cute fantastical anime girls with skirts flying high in the winds. I'm sure I'm not the only one who grimaces at the abundance of otaku rubbish found in the "annual season anime" threads. However we do occasionally receive every now and again a new glimpse of an anime that rides a buffalo in to the sunset - an Attack on Titan adaptation that blows the original manga source material away to dust, a new Mushishi season begged for years by the fans, and the occasional sports anime that brings contemporaries to a new arena.
Hideaki Anno is a strange person at times.. after all he is the one that helped bring to life that grotesque Giant Warrior in Nausicaa so he has been around the industry since the early 80's. It took a special person to animate that monstrosity. That said I imagine a lot of his comments stem from his experience over the past three decades and the weird schism that has occurred whereby animation films are seen more as flashy noir kickstarters rather than the central pieces of animation brilliance like back in the day. The days of a Madhouse production or a Patlabor or a Honneamise or a Ghibli centerpiece known throughout the 80s are gone. Even the days of OVAs like Macross Plus or something as simple as Memories have dwindled. That's not to say that animation films have died - they are certainly still alive but have been replaced by more independent releases. The one thing that stands out is that the fanfare and general public adoration isn't there anymore. Maybe that's the angle Anno is coming from... and if that is so then I completely agree with him.
Hideaki Anno is a strange person at times.. after all he is the one that helped bring to life that grotesque Giant Warrior in Nausicaa so he has been around the industry since the early 80's. It took a special person to animate that monstrosity. That said I imagine a lot of his comments stem from his experience over the past three decades and the weird schism that has occurred whereby animation films are seen more as flashy noir kickstarters rather than the central pieces of animation brilliance like back in the day. The days of a Madhouse production or a Patlabor or a Honneamise or a Ghibli centerpiece known throughout the 80s are gone. Even the days of OVAs like Macross Plus or something as simple as Memories have dwindled. That's not to say that animation films have died - they are certainly still alive but have been replaced by more independent releases. The one thing that stands out is that the fanfare and general public adoration isn't there anymore. Maybe that's the angle Anno is coming from... and if that is so then I completely agree with him.
FlyingSaucer
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The cultural gap between "new" and "old" fans in this thread is hilarious. Yes, there was plenty of gorn and porn and style over substance and creepy lolicon stuff in the 80s. Yes, an overhelming amount of current anime can be reduced to crappy emotional support for people who can't fit in a society where the economy has gone to hell. Yes, good shows were/still are produced in both eras. Stop seeing any criticism as some kind of personal attack...
Space Medafighter X
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Completely agree, I love Ghost in the Shell SAO and such, but this season has some amazing shows. Arslan, Kekkai Sensen and JoJo are my jams as of now.
I have to agree -- there have been some really surprising shows this season. I've been watching more than normal. And, there seems to be a lot of variety.
Schweinehund
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Odd, always thought it was growing in the US.
Insane Metal
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Easy there pal. I don't like it and that's it, no need to call other people pathetic.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Well let's phrase it this way; otaku's tastes were more respectable back in the '80s and '90s and that's why anime was more popular as a whole back then.
You're right; K-On and Outlaw Star were both made for otakus. But at least Outlaw Star is really cool and just a better story in every right. That's because the otakus back then had better taste.
Unfortunately the days of stuff like Wicked City, or Ninja Scroll, or Patlabor 2, Perfect Blue etc. are more or less over.
Too much new anime is either too soft in themes, or cheesy in execution of other themes (not to mention art styles being too damn clean and "pretty") for my tastes.
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Transhuman
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You mean otaku back then had tastes that were more inline with yours.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Yeah, more or less. I mean, it seems like back then, even with stories that still had some TnA, the anime themselves had aspects and redeeming qualities that elevated them beyond being reduced to fanservice or 'moe'.
Works like Wicked City, or Burn Up! W, or X. Even work like the original Dragonball, and Outlaw Star.....they all have some fanservice in them at various levels but the stories themselves were more to my tastes (especially if they were sci-fi or sci-fi/horror, my weaknesses).
Doesn't seem like that way these days.
Canis lupus
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Has been going downhill since the 90s. Everything (even the few good things so far this century like Code Geass) is defiled with fan service. There's also barely good manga coming out anymore.
The industry needs a 80s like OVA boom again, not holding back on the gore, violence (and sometimes sex). The OVA format will bring back the creativity anime has been lacking since.
At least it was tasteful and aesthetically pleasing.
The industry needs a 80s like OVA boom again, not holding back on the gore, violence (and sometimes sex). The OVA format will bring back the creativity anime has been lacking since.
At least it was tasteful and aesthetically pleasing.
KazenY2J
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Just like the 90s, am I right?
Watch Gintama.
Nice rose-tinted nostalgia glasses. You're picking the best anime ranging from several decades, and then comparing it to average recent shows. Guess what, average anime shows in the 90's and 80's were also crap. You remember the small percentage that was actually worth watching, and then you compare it to average modern shows. Don't you see any flaws in that reasoning?
In the span of three years, we've had Princess Kaguya, Parasyte, Mushishi, The Wind Rises, Battleship Yamato 2199, Space Dandy, Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night, Knights of Sidonia, Arslan Senki, Psycho-Pass, The Garden of Words and more. If we would increase that parameter to five years, I'd have to make a list longer than I have time for.
Anime is no different than it has been. Some genres are more popular now than then and vice versa, but on the whole, the doomsday otaku pandering medium scenario is just fantasy. Now is a good time as any to watch anime.
lazybones18
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Oh, my. I think you're just not very good at looking for good stuff.
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Transhuman
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Newtype-001
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Theres Ore Monogatari this season.
what can be better than this?
what can be better than this?
strangedopamine
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So by current era were talking post 1999? Alright, just from the ones I've watched (that most people should like).
- Death Parade (and Death Billiards, the Anime Mirai short)
- Kyousougiga
- Baccano
- Gundam Build Fighters
- Level E
- Log Horizon
- Mononoke
- Moyashimon
- Mushishi
- Pupipo!
- Shirobako
- Steins;Gate
- Tonari no Seki-kun
- Turn A Gundam (part of it aired in 2000
)- Mawaru Penguindrum
- Silver Spoon
- Ouran High School Host Club
- Princess Tutu
- Space Brothers
- Polar Bear's Cafe
- The Tatami Galaxy
- Shin Sekai Yori
There's plenty more you can find in this handy post which is now the second post in any AnimeGAF seasonal thread.
King Gilga
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You mean otaku back then actually had taste.
SoulUnison
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Are you just posting this gif in every topic?
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Transhuman
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Twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend.
John Kowalski
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Probably. Anno's being saying similar things since the 90's, maybe he learned it from Miyazaki. Pretty sure Ikuhara did as well.
I just find it a bit silly that the majority of posts in this thread are basically saying "the Japanese animation industry is dying because it doesn't appeal to what I like anymore" in spite of the OP where Anno is hinting economic realities in Japan that's greatly contributing to it's decline.
Snkfanatic
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hahahha
teruterubozu
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ya gr8 animation
I'm no KLK fan but this was a tongue-in-cheek moment and meant to look silly, it's hardly a representation of the show's style.
DarkLordMalik
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I haven't seen a good anime in a long time.
Attack of the Titan is the most recent one that I remember =/
Attack of the Titan is the most recent one that I remember =/
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Deleted member 1159
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I'm not so much sure that new anime sucks as much as I am sure that somewhere between 1995 and now I turned 30.
Lavalamp1138
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You make it sound like a decade has gone by or something. AoT aired in 2013.
Entryhazard
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The edgy gritty drivel of the past was still drivel regardless of nostalgia
Now it's moe drivel
Now it's moe drivel
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