John Kowalski
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ya gr8 animation
Look at that shading, good god.
Hideaki Anno predicts decline of anime in 5 to 20 years
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Look at that shading, good god.
It's hard for me to get a grasp on what you're looking for since I'm not you but
A) That stuff is out there, even now
B) You seem to have weirdly "high" standards (and I don't mean towards just anime but in general). I'm not trying to poo-poo on you but there is value in entertainment media that doesn't aspire to be high art.
Somebody has to pay for anime to get made and then it has to be be purchased (or otherwise consumed in a way that the producers get some sort of compensation). Seems a lot easier to make a product for domestic consumption that happens to be easier to export than explicitly target a foreign market. Hard to compete with like Disney regardless of how good your shows may be. The most popular anime shows worldwide (DBZ, Sailor Moon or even flavor of the month stuff like Attack on Titan) anyway were ones produced for a Japanese market before anything. Let's not forget, in the grand scheme of things, most of the anime we hate (loli trash) isn't even very popular.
People were riding AoT dick long before it came to the States (praise be Crunchyroll I guess).
The only reason anime would be in potential trouble in the future is that Japanese population as a whole is getting older and dying out due to low birth rates. Otherwise, anime is still what it has always been, which is an industry always teetering on the brink financially which relies heavily on marketing and merchandise and manga sales to survive.
The otaku market that actively buys it is shrinking. Qualitywise, anime still delivers fairly consistently depending on the staff and studio. Shows like Your Lie in April still have beautiful storytelling and character design.
A lot of 90s and 80s stuff actually had rather silly plotlines. Especially a lot of things that Gaf champions. As someone who has collected anime for decades and still keeps up with it, I can definitely say that it hasnt gotten worse.
It is, however, filled with a lot of stuff that suffers from an insular culture of copying one trait into another show into another until a lot of it looks and feels the same. This is true with other forms of media such as live action movies and novels simply because everything has basically been done before, but anime still manages to surprise in huge ways from time to time.
The otaku market that actively buys it is shrinking. Qualitywise, anime still delivers fairly consistently depending on the staff and studio. Shows like Your Lie in April still have beautiful storytelling and character design.
A lot of 90s and 80s stuff actually had rather silly plotlines. Especially a lot of things that Gaf champions. As someone who has collected anime for decades and still keeps up with it, I can definitely say that it hasnt gotten worse.
It is, however, filled with a lot of stuff that suffers from an insular culture of copying one trait into another show into another until a lot of it looks and feels the same. This is true with other forms of media such as live action movies and novels simply because everything has basically been done before, but anime still manages to surprise in huge ways from time to time.
Nope. VNs.
Megidolaon
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Damn. This sucks.
This week has had like 3 threads about the decline of Japanese games industry and turning to mobile. The one genre people always say is struggling or dying is the JRPG.
Miyazaki has pretty much said the same thing before about anime. Can't say I can argue with them too much either.
I've still found a few (very few) things to like, but I feel like most anime nowadays either isn't my cup of tea, or is just completely off-putting otaku pandering. I'm not saying it's all bad, but I just have no interest in slice-of-life shows no matter how good they are, I get bored. I need action of some kind.
It's cliche but Attack on Titan was one of the few things I liked recently.
This week has had like 3 threads about the decline of Japanese games industry and turning to mobile. The one genre people always say is struggling or dying is the JRPG.
Miyazaki has pretty much said the same thing before about anime. Can't say I can argue with them too much either.
I've still found a few (very few) things to like, but I feel like most anime nowadays either isn't my cup of tea, or is just completely off-putting otaku pandering. I'm not saying it's all bad, but I just have no interest in slice-of-life shows no matter how good they are, I get bored. I need action of some kind.
It's cliche but Attack on Titan was one of the few things I liked recently.
what about Durarara?
You can go to an anime calendar and pick out the worst/most generic looking shows and they will more than likely all be based on light novels.
Wyndstryker
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lol didn't see this one before
FlyingSaucer
Banned
Anime is not worth saving anyway if I don't have my second series of Senran Kagura.
When was that new Lupin TV series supposed to begin airing, again ?
Megidolaon
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Eh, never really clicked with me. It was a little too strange for me.
I don't need a show to be completely action-packed, though. I really loved Moribito, even though there were only a handful of action scenes. I just liked the the overall setting and the story, and characters.
All that's happened since then is a bunch of american companies going under and anime losing steam in outside of japan.
strangedopamine
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Gundam Build Fighters has plenty of action in it.
This tweet is suggesting that the new Lupin III isn't airing in Italy in May at all.
FlyingSaucer
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strangedopamine
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It's still airing in Japan this autumn! it's not cancelled or anything!
JordanN
Banned
meh kill la kill was not good in terms of animation it wasnt even a slow decline...it started out bad lol
HxH2011 has around 130~episodes that all look better especially the fights.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
So action-ish with unique characters/setting, but not too out there?
Terror in Resonance
Redline
Space Dandy
Gankutsuou
Night Raid 1931
I loved KLK's characters to bits, but the story was, quite frankly, an utter jumble that was only partially redeemed by a really fun bonus episode.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
I like anime avatars (or even better, anime girl avatars). As a mean to automatically detect jerks and arrogant dimwits, it has never failed me.
John Kowalski
Banned
I have some if you'd like.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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Not manime just quality.
Saucycarpdog
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........this has to be a joke post.
OT: 8 months ago i had crunchyroll and i used it for about 3 months before canceling it. Trying to find a good show among all the crap just wasn't worth it. I watched praised shows like Maoyu Mao Yusha and yet that show still fell into the same tropes i couldn't look past. The romance between the hero and the demon queen in Maoyu was your typical anime romance that never even tried to handle things in a mature way.
Meanwhile an animated show like adventure time can have mature relationships with a girl that doesn't need the hero to kick ass.
And don't even get me started on shows like Psycho Pass and AoT. No, over the top violence does not make you mature. Handling strong themes and stories with strong and deep characters is mature. Most anime characters are about as deep as the tropes they embody.
Delta Assault
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Yeah, I'd agree with this. And before members of animeGAF jump on me, let me go ahead and say that I've certainly seen examples of the latter. One of them was even a recent recommendation from animeGAF, which I thanked them for.
But the problem is, most of the people working behind the scenes in the anime studios aren't talented enough to pull that off, so they just go the path of least resistance and do the former, because that's easier and quicker and you get a whole lot of dummies who fall for that trick. A lot of the audience will actually be content with being fed gore and violence as a substitute for actually being mature and thoughtful. Instead of looking for something like Spike Jonze's Her, they're willing to just settle for Hostel.
ZombiePlatypus
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One can only pray.
Admiral Woofington
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MY MAN
Theonik
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The interesting part in this observation is that a lot of posts on these Anime doom and gloom threads really re-enforce this notion. Just look at what most people cite as examples of anime that people that claim anime is doomed cite. They will largely fall into the "It is violent ergo mature" category, hell we just had an entire thread of that "80s anime was best anime, look at all those gorry action movie rip-offs new anime is for children and paedophiles" also curiously ignoring that the 'tropes' they complain about were all there even then. But I digress.
As for your other point, it's true. Most anime cannot reach any notable level of competent or mature storytelling, but I would cite it as an issue with the entertainment industry at large. The amount of 'worthy' shows can be counted on one hand every year but to me, that is only an issue if you really can't stomach anything else.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Let's be honest, even if 'manime' did come back, how many of you crying for the death of moe and rebirth of manly dudes doing manly anime shit would even take the time to watch the shows (emphasis on the plurality and support of the hypothetical sea change, not just watch one show because it gets groundswell mainstream acceptance/support), and new IPs not just reboots?
Messofanego
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Theonik
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That's a game. Also assuming they are fishing for avatar quotes.http://assets.neogafllc.netdna-cdn.com/forum/image.php?u=174483&dateline=1391609067
Are you insulting...yourself?
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Are you insulting...yourself?
No he says he like uses them because they never fail to bring out people who go all "lol you have anime girl avatar, who cares what you say".
I don't think I'm going out to far on a limb to say most people classify something as mature if some parents would restrict their children from consuming it. I'm pretty sure most parents would not have an issue with their child watching Adventure Time.
If you're equating high quality of plot, character depth, and writing for content with maturity, then yeah of course there isn't much out there. Not just in anime though, with everything. There's a reason the classics are the classics and people study them.
I'm curious though. Is there any anime that exists with your definition of mature that you do appreciate?
Messofanego
Banned
Ah, now I get it.
Kill la Kill, like Gurren Lagann, was all about refuge in audacity and going beyond the impossible. Neither show wins on artistic merit or deep plot or characterization or anything.
Here's an anime about Lovecraftian horrors like Cthulu and Nyarlathotep that inexplicably decide to take the form of moe girls to gradually drive the standard anime wuss protagonist insane.
This is the kind of bullshit that ruined the genre for me.
Motherfuckers in the 90s had swagger.
CyberpunkGod
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Nah
strangedopamine
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This sort of anime also existed in 80's/90's as well you know.
Kantai Collection is a big thing nowadays but we've had MS Girls since the early 80's and while they weren't in the anime, they were still a part of the Gundam franchise. Idol shows, there were plenty of them too, two series I watched recently (Hime-chan no Ribbon and Akazukin Chacha) both featured a boy idol band called SMAP (They had an arc in Hime-chan and one of the main characters was voiced by one of the members in Chacha) and there were others around at the time as well.
The only reason why you didn't know that this stuff existed at this time is as others have mentioned before in this thread that simply a lot of these shows never made it outside Japan so you gain the idea that these shows are some recent phenomenon.
There's also the fact that there are a lot more anime made now than 25 years ago. In this season alone we have over 40 anime currently airing. The industry didn't have that level of output during the 90's. So you are more likely to come across something that you won't like as there is now a wider selection.
We still have a decent range of titles out now and if you're still stuck for choice there's always watching anime that you may have missed from the 80's/90's because I'm pretty sure you haven't watched all of them!
Mahiro is a man who knows how to keep Eldritch abominations in check, yo.
Insane Metal
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Good, I hope it disappears.
King Gilga
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I hope he's right. The modern anime industry doesn't deserve to exist. And neither do those that consume it.
...Jesus Christ, this might be the worst-sounding summary of a tv show ever.
Here's an anime about Lovecraftian horrors like Cthulu and Nyarlathotep that inexplicably decide to take the form of moe girls to gradually drive the standard anime wuss protagonist insane.
I need to watch it.
Theonik
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Topkek
How fucking petty you two have to be?
''Anime must die!'' You guys are pathetic.
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