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I don't understand how the Xbone even sold 11 million units so far, it should be like 3-4 mil of the die hard Stathams only. There is pretty much no reason to own one with the PS4 available.
 

Tenebrous

Member
I don't understand how the Xbone even sold 11 million units so far, it should be like 3-4 mil of the die hard Stathams only. There is pretty much no reason to own one with the PS4 available.

In response...

The PS4 is the sorriest example for a console generation leader to date. Minor convenience features don't make up for subscription based multiplayer, and PSN is still fucking terrible compared to PC services to boot. The tech-at-time of release is weaker than any major PS system to date, and the first party exclusives I've played (not played Bloodborne or the Order) have been mediocre at best.

I know the PS4 is in the hearts of many around here, but it's a box of average-at-best. The all hail savior Sony nonsense that circled E3 2013 for maintaining the status quo was nauseating... Well, with plus required for MP, they didn't even maintain the status quo.

I think the Xbox One is worse, but that's hardly controversial.
 
I don't understand how the Xbone even sold 11 million units so far, it should be like 3-4 mil of the die hard Stathams only. There is pretty much no reason to own one with the PS4 available.

I looked at a PS4 for a while, and just couldn't justify it.

I like racing games and football, so I bought an Xbox One with Forza 5 and FIFA 15. But while Xbox has had some pretty decent exclusives (played a lot of Titanfall, still need to get into Sunset Overdrive, really enjoyed Dead Rising 3, and Forza Horizon 2 is my favourite game this gen), there's not a single PS4 title that really made me go - 'I need this'.

Souls games just aren't for me, I've tried them before, they're just not my cup of tea. Drive Club is eh, and I've got Forza 5 and Forza Horizon 2 already. Knack was meh. Killzone: Shadow Fall and Infamous added to series' I've never played before, and neither really grabbed me anyway. I generally enjoy MotoGP games but I knew the next one and Ride would be on Xbox One. The Order kinda bombed. I'm British so not a baseball fan. LittleBigPlanet 3 is the weakest in the series, and I could play TLOU / Flower / Journey on considerably cheaper hardware if I wanted to.

Of course, this is just me. A lot of people really enjoy baseball games and Souls games and don't give a shit about racing games. But there's just not much there for me. Yet. I can't imagine how I'd have survived with a launch PS4 though as a racing fan with the only AAA racing game for a year being Need for Speed Rivals. At least Project CARS scratches the sim itch and The Crew (sort of, almost, tries to) scratch the open-world itch, that just isn't enough.
 
No one stays on top forever unfortunately, no matter how good they are.

Things change. So many brands/companies/manufacturers today for example that are at the high end of the scale have not always been there, and they won't be there forever,

Remember how popular Sony TVs were? Different story today. Are you old enough to remember when Apple was an obscure brand that no one gave a shit about?

You remember how relevant Konami and Capcom were. What about Rare? Rare at their time were at the top of their game, like seriously top, now look....

This. Everything that has a beginning has an end. Every single thing. I don't know how they will go out but they will go out.
 

ElTopo

Banned
I love Run 'N Gun games but I hate Mega Man. I don't think the games are bad but very overrated. Really, how many times can you play almost the same exact game?
 
I actually really liked Dantes Inferno even though most people saw it as a "meh" generic God Of War clone.
I remember when i was finished with God Of War 3 and i wanted more. I went looking around and heard about Dantes Inferno and how similar a game it was. So i picked it up and actually really loved it for the fact that it was so similar. I didnt have to re-learn the controls so it all came naturally.
 
I think FF8 is a great game, and it's the most interesting of the 3 PSX titles.


Wait, iss this thread still mostly people shitposting about popular games?
 
I'm talking game play specifically, I don't know I guess I was expecting something different game play/combat combat wise.

Combat is distinct too though. Did you think Dark Souls 1 and 2 were reskins of Demon's Souls? Of the 4 Souls-like games, Bloodborne is the least similar to the others.
 

Steel

Banned
Soul Calibur is not only the best 3d fighter franchise, it's the best fighter in general. Fuck quarter circles.

Both Skyrim and Morrowind have an impressive open world, but overall, the games are very bland, generic and boring. The characters and story are uninteresting and the combat is a mess.

If you didn't also say morrowind, I'd agree. Well, actually I agree that Morrowind's combat was a mess, at least. But I have no idea what you consider an interesting world if you think Morrowind's world was generic.
 

OCD Guy

Member
Naughty Dog has been a fairly high quality developer for like 19 years. I'm not worried about the future to be honest.

Naughty dog were never as big as they are now. Nowhere near as relevant or important as they are nowadays.

Naughty dogs relevance began life on the PS3. Yes they made crash bandicoot which was a decent series (and sold very well) but they still weren't that relevant then. And their games history prior to crash bandicoot is even less relevant.

They're certainly not been as high as you're implying for the last 19 years. Back in the day Japan and Japanese developers were the most relevant things in gaming, look at how things are now. The biggest selling games nowadays aren't from Japanese developers.

While you might think it unbelievable that naughty dog won't always be perceived the way they were, if you had told me Sega wouldn't make consoles anymore when I had a mega drive, and you had told me that Nintendo and Sega had made games together I'd say you were crazy....
 

OCD Guy

Member
This. Everything that has a beginning has an end. Every single thing. I don't know how they will go out but they will go out.

Exactly. It's normal that people don't want to accept things, or can't see a possibility of things changing, but they do. If I said that Sony and Microsoft aren't always going to be relevant when it comes to gaming people would say I'm nuts, but I'd pretty much say that those two companies relevance won't last. Microsoft will be the first to go though, likely selling the Xbox division.

And look at the TV market, Japan was at the forefront, Sony and Panasonic. Koreans were budget crap, now look at who the biggest players are in the market. Soon enough the Chinese manufacturers will become more common too....
 

Nemmy

Member
Both Skyrim and Morrowind have an impressive open world, but overall, the games are very bland, generic and boring. The characters and story are uninteresting and the combat is a mess.

Witcher 3 is better in every aspect IMO.

Skyrim, I give you :p Morrowind was an absolutely stunning game for its time IMO (and its world had an amazing political and cultural depth that I actually have yet to see replicated in another RPG), and its story was actually pretty clever in how the game never answered several major questions about it (also basically the more you read about the Nerevarine, the Tribunal and House Dagoth, the more you realized just how much of a moral gray area and how tragic the whole conflict was).

The problem I have with TES as a series is that in my eyes, it never actually progressed from Morrowind (I guess that makes my controversial opinion :p). It reworked the combat into a different type of crappy, added a bunch of additional, tacked-on mechanics that do nothing for the game's actual depth and completely lost all the good stuff related to the story and setting that I mentioned above. So instead of actually evolving (think Morrowind's world and politics with The Witcher's approach to dialogue, quests and choice/consequence - that's roughly how I imagine TES should have been changing over the years) it became this bland sandbox with a "quantity over quality" approach where you can do anything as long as it's boring and repetitive.
 
Video game addictions can cause as much harm as a drug or alcohol addiction. It can destroy friendships, family ties and functionality in the real world.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
- Nintendo handhelds are a joke by any modern technological standard in mobile/handheld. They aren't good handhelds.

- PS Vita is the best handheld ever created for video games, the PS Vita is one of the biggest successes/achievements in terms of handheld entertainment (resolution and CPU/GPU SoC are starting to feel outdated though, but for 2012 tech and for a device with a low RRP, it's good)

- PSP is the second best handheld ever created for video games
My man.
 

abadguy

Banned
I don't understand the appeal of Halo or Gears. They both seem like generic sci-fi shooters. I couldn't get into Persona 3, I've tried several times. I like City Folk more than New Leaf. I thought Tony Hawk Underground 2 was alright.

I get not understanding the appeal, but both Halo and Gears have their own looks, and play styles/formula's that have been copy/pasted by other games over the years, not to mention fans get real bitchy (especially when it comes to Halo) if the devs deviate from said play styles even a little bit. Not to mention one could never confuse Gears or Halo for anything else, they are the very opposite of "generic".
 

sqwarlock

Member
I care less and less about Nintendo products as the years go on. All the hype around Splatoon is reminding me that I just don't give a shit, even if I do have the hardware to play the games.

Note: I'm not looking for anyone to sell me on Splatoon or any other Nintendo game that I feel doesn't deserve the hype (most of them, to be honest).
 

Hindl

Member
In response...

The PS4 is the sorriest example for a console generation leader to date. Minor convenience features don't make up for subscription based multiplayer, and PSN is still fucking terrible compared to PC services to boot. The tech-at-time of release is weaker than any major PS system to date, and the first party exclusives I've played (not played Bloodborne or the Order) have been mediocre at best.

I know the PS4 is in the hearts of many around here, but it's a box of average-at-best. The all hail savior Sony nonsense that circled E3 2013 for maintaining the status quo was nauseating... Well, with plus required for MP, they didn't even maintain the status quo.

I think the Xbox One is worse, but that's hardly controversial.

Completely agree. Aside from Bloodborne the PS4 has been frankly pathetic. And I want it to be good I bought the damn thing. But there's nothing there from Sony's vaunted first party developers, and they just announced that they will have a "sparse" 1st party lineup again. And even Bloodborne is just Dark Souls, albeit with a better setting, combat and enemy design, and other things. And that kinda extends to this generation as a whole. There's been nothing "new" this generation from any of the 1st party developers that usually pave the way, and 3rd parties are mostly pumping out what they always do. Overall I'd say this is probably the worst start to a generation in modern video games (NES on)
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

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I care less and less about Nintendo products as the years go on. All the hype around Splatoon is reminding me that I just don't give a shit, even if I do have the hardware to play the games.

Note: I'm not looking for anyone to sell me on Splatoon or any other Nintendo game that I feel doesn't deserve the hype (most of them, to be honest).
I feel similar, though I am pretty damn hyped for Mario Maker.
 
Gave up on KOTOR, got stuck on tattoine and the story did not engage that much either.

I didn't give up on KOTOR, but I will say that I enjoyed the second game considerably more. Thr story was better and the characters were more interesting to me, specifically the villains.
 

Hindl

Member
Splatoon is not the second coming of christ.

Just a fun multiplayer shooter on a system that does not usually get this kind of games.

Isn't that what everyone is saying? Just that it's really good, albeit lacking in content right now and missing some basic features of online games? I don't think this is that controversial.
 
No one stays on top forever unfortunately, no matter how good they are.

Things change. So many brands/companies/manufacturers today for example that are at the high end of the scale have not always been there, and they won't be there forever,

Remember how popular Sony TVs were? Different story today. Are you old enough to remember when Apple was an obscure brand that no one gave a shit about?

You remember how relevant Konami and Capcom were. What about Rare? Rare at their time were at the top of their game, like seriously top, now look....
Yep, I am old enough ;)
Konami, Capcom, Rare? Each of them has it's own (bad) story. Especially Rare.
The good thing about ND is, that they have creative freedom, no hard deadlines, no issues about the budget of their game, and as I've already said... the right people on top of the company. I see a great future for them.
 
I care less and less about Nintendo products as the years go on. All the hype around Splatoon is reminding me that I just don't give a shit, even if I do have the hardware to play the games.

Note: I'm not looking for anyone to sell me on Splatoon or any other Nintendo game that I feel doesn't deserve the hype (most of them, to be honest).
I partially agree with this statement. I am interested in some stuff; mainly Xenoblade X, Zelda U, and Starfox, but some fans act as if the games are God's gift to gaming. I played 3D world and I was expecting it to be some incredible game by the way people ragged on about it but I wasn't really sold on it and honestly got tried of playing it.

So I guess I am just annoyed by some overly zealous fans.
Completely agree. Aside from Bloodborne the PS4 has been frankly pathetic. And I want it to be good I bought the damn thing. But there's nothing there from Sony's vaunted first party developers, and they just announced that they will have a "sparse" 1st party lineup again. And even Bloodborne is just Dark Souls, albeit with a better setting, combat and enemy design, and other things. And that kinda extends to this generation as a whole. There's been nothing "new" this generation from any of the 1st party developers that usually pave the way, and 3rd parties are mostly pumping out what they always do. Overall I'd say this is probably the worst start to a generation in modern video games (NES on)
This is a stop gate generation for the new frontier of gaming: virtual reality.
 

Cfer

Neo Member
A few months ago there was a Forbes article about gamers being boring which I largely agreed with. Instead of celebrating the nintendo and Ms being disrupters in their own way (WiiU with the touch screen gamepad and Xbox's Kinect and home entertainment focus) we have instead gone for another iteration of Sony's conservative consoles which brings nothing new to the table except some better hardware and a long-overdue update to their controller design.

Also, I know that technically isn't 'my opinion' but I like it :p
 

slash3584

Member
Isn't that what everyone is saying? Just that it's really good, albeit lacking in content right now and missing some basic features of online games? I don't think this is that controversial.

Well I don't find it really good tbh.

I think it's a pretty decent shooter with a lot of style, but nothing mindblowing.

I partially agree with this statement. I am interested in some stuff; mainly Xenoblade X, Zelda U, and Starfox, but some fans act as if the games are God's gift to gaming. I played 3D world and I was expecting it to be some incredible game by the way people ragged on about it but I wasn't really sold on it and honestly got tried of playing it.

So I guess I am just annoyed by some overly zealous fans.

Maybe this is my problem too.

Every game that comes for the WiiU is treated by it's fanbase like it's a life changing experience that should not be missed, when some of then are just "Ok" (IMO)
 
Yep, I am old enough ;)
Konami, Capcom, Rare? Each of them has it's own (bad) story. Especially Rare.
The good thing about ND is, that they have creative freedom, no hard deadlines, no issues about the budget of their game, and as I've already said... the right people on top of the company. I see a great future for them.

From all we know about Rare's downfall (from the people inside the studio), they had plenty of creative freedom and weren't struggling for money. That technique isn't fallproof. Give a studio too much rope, they just might hang themselves with it.
 
Well I don't find it really good tbh.

I think it's a pretty decent shooter with a lot of style, but nothing mindblowing.



Maybe this is my problem too.

Every game that comes for the WiiU is treated by it's fanbase like it's a life changing experience that should not be missed, when some of then are just "Ok" (IMO)
A lot of games are really good and have solid gameplay. Donkey Kong is fun and I am not even a big fan of 2D platformers. But like you said, the hyperbole from some make it look like you've missed out on the greatest thing ever.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
I really hate when a game has literally ten thousand different materials for me to collect to create a myriad of shit. I've got enough shit in...I don't even know where I'm keeping it, but enough shit to fill an aisle in WalMart, and yet I'm still lacking some ingredients for some spell, oil, erection pill, or whatever.

Seriously is this something anyone actually enjoys? This is why I like dumb and simple sometimes.
 
I really hate when a game has literally ten thousand different materials for me to collect to create a myriad of shit. I've got enough shit in...I don't even know where I'm keeping it, but enough shit to fill an aisle in WalMart, and yet I'm still lacking some ingredients for some spell, oil, erection pill, or whatever.

Seriously is this something anyone actually enjoys? This is why I like dumb and simple sometimes.

This is what crafting weapons / armour feels like in Diablo 3 for me.
 
Splatoon will not have the staying power of Mario Kart or Super Smash Bros. I felt this way ever since Nintendo first announced the game. By the end of August, most gamers will have shelved or traded-in/sold Splatoon and moved on to other games. The upcoming additional content won't help.

Xenoblade Chronicles X will not be as good as Xenoblade Chronicles...which itself was a great game but not among the best RPGs ever.

More reviewers will complain about Batman: Arkham Knight and XCX being too big and too open. We've already seen some people criticize The Witcher 3 for being too big and having too much content. There is a subtle but growing backlash against open-world game design in general.

The Witcher 3 is a better game than Skyrim and Fallout 3/NV (not really controversial). However, TW3 will not have as much staying power as Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas...or even Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect 1/2/3. By Nov/Dec of this year, most people will have moved on from TW3 (except the small number who want the expansions)...while a large number of people will still be playing Skyrim, the Fallout games, DA and ME then and beyond.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Splatoon will not have the staying power of Mario Kart or Super Smash Bros. I felt this way ever since Nintendo first announced the game. By the end of August, most gamers will have shelved or traded-in/sold Splatoon and moved on to other games. The upcoming additional content won't help.

You'll be wrong. I guarantee you'll be wrong. Three weeks ago I would've agreed, but playing is believing.
 
You'll be wrong. I guarantee you'll be wrong. Three weeks ago I would've agreed, but playing is believing.

Didn't people say the same about Titanfall? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Titanfall - but the multiplayer population did fall off a lot (although it's levelled off now). Without being facetious, maybe the Wii U's lack of titles may mean that people stick with it longer, but as it stands, not enough content.
 
diablo 3? are you kidding me? theres like 4 crafting items.

I'm level 43 or something (not had it for long), but while I have a ton of a couple necessary items for crafting, I'm extremely low on one of the others. To the point that by level 40, I've been able to craft 1 shield.

Am I missing things somewhere?
 

Betty

Banned
I think The Order: 1886 will be one of the most disappointing titles of 2015.

Like Infamous Second Son, people will gush over the graphics and technical prowess during release, but the game will very quickly be forgotten as the missed opportunity it was in favor of the much more interesting titles that follow it later that year.

And I say this as a PS4 only owner, who loves everything Ready At Dawn has made, and will be more than happy to eat crow if I'm wrong.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's just how I see things turning out.

huehuehue
 

jerry1594

Member
This gen so far has been shit. Boring broken at launch multiplats, weak, broken at launch exclusives (Halo, Driveclub, Ultra), bunch of upports. Only appealing games on Xbox or PS to me are Killer Instinct and Bloodborne, neither of which make the consoles worth buying. Wii U has a decent lineup but not particularly appealing to me. And it's probably got a year or two left at most, so I doubt I'll miss out on much.
 
Diablo 3 is complete shit with an unappealing art style, pointless grinding, and a terrible Story

Blizzard....where did your good writing staff go? Starcraft 2 had a shit story too but at least it was a good game
 
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