DOOM Gameplay Demo (E3 2015)
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Yeh.... you don't know Doom then if it's mowing down hundreds of enemies hahaha. Go replay 1/2 please.
angelic
Banned
doom 2 was full of rooms of 50 enemies, like the courtyard, and it was great.
Mengy
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Yeah, I'm kinda getting the same vibe too. The footage just doesn't feel like Doom, but rather just some generic FPS Doom clone game. Too few monsters which aren't distinctive enough, and why are most of them just standing around waiting to be killed? In Doom the monsters came after you and hunted you down. Although the graphics look pretty enough the gameplay just looks uninspired from that footage, it looks like it plays too slowly to be a Doom game. A bit too brown too, holy shit Doom had colors damnit, and darkness, and strobe lights.
Maybe it will look better later on, but right now I'm not excited for this.
Dictator93
Member
The immediate visual feed back when a weapon was equipped for the first time was fantastic (sliding the pump on the shotgun, or poppin in new shells to the SSG), but the apparent range at which they were effective seemed off (I also think the guy playing missed with a majority of pellets in most shots).
The SG in doom was actually a great medium to long range weapon due to its consistent horizontal, fan-like spread. In here it kinda looked random. That could be a symptom of them having an AR like weapon though and them wanting to balance the SG against it.
The SSG was always unwiedly at medium range, especially if you consider how much auto aim doom II had.
Turin Turambar
Member
Shoddy and generic Hahahaha!
The "generic" part kills me. I read that term to refer the gameplay shown a lot today.
Isn't actually the opposite of generic?
How many FPS with a straight run and shoot gameplay killing demons and strafing have been released in the last 5 years? and in the last 10?
Now, games where you craft shit, level up and gain loot in some way? Now, that's the new generic. Get with the times people.
angelic
Banned
did i say 100s at once? you seem to be a troll, stop it please.
CyanideFuse
Member
A couple of weeks ago the Fallout 4 trailer is shown. I was quite hyped after seeing this. I visit Neogaf and realise the error of my ways.
Doom footage: Again, it looks pretty good and has stoked some interest for me.
I come on here and suddenly I have to question how easily pleased I must be with a pitifully poor measurement for quality. I guess it helps in other ways.
Doom footage: Again, it looks pretty good and has stoked some interest for me.
I come on here and suddenly I have to question how easily pleased I must be with a pitifully poor measurement for quality. I guess it helps in other ways.
I know what you mean, but Doom was all 2DNo 3D renders in the game, as far as i know.
The environments where faux 3D if I remember correctly but yeah you get what I meant
I'm still very hyped for this game!Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Let's be clear here: Dark and gritty Doom is not out of character. As noted, the original game had plenty of jump scares and used lighting as ways to amplify the dread factor. Furthermore, the design document was rather close in spirit to films like Aliens.
What is interesting is that the technical limitations of the era worked in its favour. Having a smaller colour palette meant that you could spot your enemies from afar and develop your fighting strategy on the fly depending on their class. The same also apply to their attacks, which were very easy to identify (balls of fire, missiles, blobs of green plasma, radiant orbs of blue energy).
None of this seems to be present in DOOM. But what I find more worrying is that the game is abandoning its maze-like design in favour of something more realistic (I'm not ready to claim it's also more linear), with a visuals-pushed path instead of one relying on exploration. They also make me worry about the game's mechanics. One of the most misunderstood things about OG Doom is that the game was ALL about choke points, not checkpoints. This is one of the reasons why Doom 3 was such a monumental failure, specially next to smaller games such as Serious Sam, which encapsulated Doom's essence better than any other game despite its gaudy looks.
Here's a fantastic article about why classic Doom mechanics still work fantastically well despite the game's evident age.
What is interesting is that the technical limitations of the era worked in its favour. Having a smaller colour palette meant that you could spot your enemies from afar and develop your fighting strategy on the fly depending on their class. The same also apply to their attacks, which were very easy to identify (balls of fire, missiles, blobs of green plasma, radiant orbs of blue energy).
None of this seems to be present in DOOM. But what I find more worrying is that the game is abandoning its maze-like design in favour of something more realistic (I'm not ready to claim it's also more linear), with a visuals-pushed path instead of one relying on exploration. They also make me worry about the game's mechanics. One of the most misunderstood things about OG Doom is that the game was ALL about choke points, not checkpoints. This is one of the reasons why Doom 3 was such a monumental failure, specially next to smaller games such as Serious Sam, which encapsulated Doom's essence better than any other game despite its gaudy looks.
Here's a fantastic article about why classic Doom mechanics still work fantastically well despite the game's evident age.
Psyrgery ES
Member
You forgot the most important thing.
Doom door sounds, dude.
Doom door sounds.
This game looks great. Perhaps not as great as classic doom1/2, but a lot better than Doom3.
Turin Turambar
Member
Brutal Doom isn't Doom.
efyu_lemonardo
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After watching this I feel more confident. Especially since the level editor, which I hadn't seen previously, looks very robust.
Oh wow calling me a troll, you're the one spouting nonsense about the games. This thread is rich with shit posters.
Kocolino67
Member
This looks like the first real 'next gen' version of an old game. I'm very ok with that.
This.
Those who want brutal doom experience, they will probably be able to get it in new doom using that fancy editor.
I like what I see too.
I also feel like they have taken extra steps to remain faithful and respectful toward the original game too. They could have just slapped some shit together like Doom 3, but this one has a distinct Doom 2 vibe.
There are SO many monster closets. The sound of opening the door followed by all of the monsters activating was part of the charm. It's like "oh shit" whenever it happens.
This kind of goes with what I was talking about (huge variations in what people love about Doom). Maps like "The Courtyard (map18)" are the ones I dislike the most. When I replay Doom 2 I pretty much skip the whole middle section of the game (starting with map12). It's when they were trying to make "realistic" maps and lots of open spaces and I didn't find it all that fun.
angelic
Banned
are you serious? brutal doom wont run without doom wads. its a mod. of doom.
Eternal Gamer
Member
The game looks so slow and the enemies are hard to distinguish one from another in comparison to the original games. Aside from that it looks quite interesting, I want to see what people will do with the level editor.
Fallout-NL
Member
Doom on steroids.
The key difference being that in OG Doom the monsters are already in there, and don't spawn in.
efyu_lemonardo
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I hear you on this, and while I'm not sure this DOOM will share the same philosophy in its level design, the tools Id are providing the community pretty much guarantee we'll have plenty of user made content that does. That in itself is exciting.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
dark10x pls.
Serious Sam was a resounding success because it is one of the few games that understood Doom Mechanics, which are mostly based around choke points, spotting enemies from afar and dodging shit every few steps.
Sure, the game indulged in throwing massive amounts of enemies at the player, but most indoor levels were surprisingly Doom-like, specially those with slower enemies.
For that I'm content, but I've been waiting for a new, proper Doom single player experience for over two decades and it looks like id is not up to the task. Mods may be fun, but they sure can't replace a proper big budget production, specially if both engine and assets have not been developed to provide that kind of experience from the ground.
EmCeeGramr
Member
He means that Brutal Doom changes a lot of the game in ways that are for the worse; it's not really a true representation of Doom gameplay.
angelic
Banned
did you never run round a doom level to unleash all the monsters, and herd them into seething mass of hell creatures in the middle, and they they all started a huge hilarious fight amongst themselves. i can still hear that gnawing grinding sound as they all savage each other. one of my favourite parts of doom
EmCeeGramr
Member
This is another great article on how a lot of people see Doom.
It's not a brutal ironic gorefest, it's a first person chess problem, where the pieces are your guns and the enemies. Even stuff like dumb slaughtermap WADs actually rely on the player understanding prioritizing the right enemies to kill and manipulating infighting, the 100% predictable enemy behavior, and the level layouts.
It's not a brutal ironic gorefest, it's a first person chess problem, where the pieces are your guns and the enemies. Even stuff like dumb slaughtermap WADs actually rely on the player understanding prioritizing the right enemies to kill and manipulating infighting, the 100% predictable enemy behavior, and the level layouts.
Turin Turambar
Member
Yes, it's a mod. A mod isn't the original game. A mode *gasp* change stuff.
It's like a person saying that Skyrim characters are pretty good... while it's that way because he has installed 30 mods of new character models and textures.
In our case, Brutal Doom gameplay is different of the real Doom gameplay. Same as playing a custom WAD, they all can have different gameplays. One can be almost a survival experience with little ammo and health, others can be a fragfest with 2000 enemies...
Muskieratboi
Member
So.. that was what, 53 Confirmed kills in the first video?
Fallout-NL
Member
On higher difficulties, yeah.
On lower levels it is the power fantasy that other people see in Doom.
goombatommy
Member
Doh! I know I was missing something. Thanks!
Skinny Pete
Banned
Graphics were nice but I was def underwhelmed by the gameplay. Looks boring.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This is still the best article about Doom, and goes on to explain concepts and ideas that make it so good. Concepts and ideas I don't see in this new Doom(yet).
Doom is not about shotguns and demons. Its not Mars techbases and occult wallpaper. If it was, Doom 3 wouldn't have came and gone like a irrelevant fart in the wind.
And Brutal Doom is trash, created by a trash person.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Yeah, many people still fail to understand that Doom is all about crowd control.
You strafe like a motherfucker, praying to the dark gods so the smaller demons kill themselves, while engaging the big bad in there. It's usually that or making sure you pick up the BFG laying somewhere so you can take a dozen of imps with a single shot after herding them to the closest choke point like a Border Collie.
dragonfart28
Banned
This looks Doom with a fresh coat of paint on it, which is what I am assuming Doom fans want.
The criticism seems to be more about people who aren't into the Doom concept more than anything.
The criticism seems to be more about people who aren't into the Doom concept more than anything.
ashecitism
Member
That's not what Carmack thinks though.
edit: oh I see the article starts with that hah
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yeah I never played it like this. Let's not aggrandise it.
southerncross
Member
Carmack wasn't the only person who worked on what made Doom great.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
If you pay attention, you'll notice that many people wary of the new game are actually addressing the huge differences in mechanics and level design.
The only thing that rings true to the original game is the name and setting. Doom is much more than just carnage.
Serious Sam controls well but its weakness lies in level design. Doom wasn't just a series of empty rooms in the same way that Sam is. All it had was the combat - levels themselves were awful.
Doom is one of my favorites of all time but I actually kind of dislike Serious Sam. Not a fan at all. I don't feel they are that similar on the whole.
Honestly, I never really did that. I enjoyed how monsters fought one another (something they very briefly show happening in this new footage) but I never herded them around like that. Sounds kind of interesting, though, I must admit.
Uh.. You clearly didn't play Doom 3. It was more of a wannabe horror game. There's no horror at all about this, it was pure action once things started and I might be wrong, but doom was never about 50+ enemies at once
If you want SS4 this is the wrong thread.
angelic
Banned
how do you think so though? i mean brutal doom adds finishers, but theyre just cosmetic, and piles of blood..but again..cosmetic. it doesnt modify the gameplay all that much, apart from alt firing weapons, gore and gibs, its still doom. brutal doom IS doom for me now, its great.