Great!
Xbox One adds Xbox 360 backwards compatibility
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Great!
King Beyond the wall
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Why are you using my avatar lol
Yea that's kinda the weird point. You see games like Fallout 3 and both Rainbow 6 Vegas games getting announced as BC and free with the new game respectively but can we expect Activision to let all the 360 Call of Duty games tonmake their way over? If people hate the way Black Ops 3 plays, wouldn't they all just roll back to Modern Warfare 2 or Black Ops 2?
It's gonna be interesting.
No, multiple things matter. Both performance and compatibility list.
Right now, it's 18 games on beta / preview, and the showings in the video weren't that much either. The fact they only did ME1 and not ME2, and ME3 shows there's more than just a simple switch to enable this.
I hate PSNow's model but it has a lot more games available and had more available on beta.
Windows RT
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Not for me. I will keep playing 360 games on my 360.
But good to see fans are happy about this.
But good to see fans are happy about this.
I'll take this option any day over the garbage that is ps now. Give it time, more games are coming
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Why? Whats the difference? Ive tried it out already and its basicly really just a virtual 360. Everything the same.
Could someone with non-english profile test out the bc? Do you get wrong language or is it just me. I have triple-checked all of my location and language settings and they are correct.
StoppedInTracks
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Doesn't matter if they really hit the 100 titles target by Holidays. The number itself is impressive - hell I do not even own 100 PS3 games. If they focus on biggest titles (CoD, AssCree, Halo etc.) they would already cover the majority of people's libraries.
For me the most important titles are:
- Dark Souls 1
- Dead Space 2/3
- Blue Dragoon
- Lost Odyssey
- Alan Wake
- Gears 2/3
Did you ever try playing your OG Xbox titles on 360?
Not only was the list limited, they had severe performance issues, and eventually just gave up adding any titles. It was meant to fool people that the 360 had BC. It was a checkmark
This is why I don't trust MS with this.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I meant to the end user it truly doesn't matter what solution they used, as long as the performance is up to snuff. As a technical person I'm super interested in how they got this all to work, but as a consumer it actually doesn't matter. All that matters is that it does what they advertise: I can play a selection of 360 games on my Xbox One at an acceptable performance.
So yeah, performance and library selection matter. Library selection I'm not going to fault them for because the whole thing has been active for 12 hours, and performance from people who are playing it seems at worst on par with the original release. Going around saying "You guys have been fooled! It's just like the OG Xbox on Xbox 360!" isn't actually helping anyone, because at this point it's meaningless. Yes, the concepts are the same: emulate the old system on the new one. But who gives a shit. How does it perform for the user?
BONKERS
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Sucks devs/publishers have to enable their titles. Niche and Obscure games 
Also: I wonder, do games still render at their sub native 720p resolutions?
It'd be nice if texture filtering was better too.
In general, if they built a virtual 360, what's to keep them from increased performance?
Also: I wonder, do games still render at their sub native 720p resolutions?
It'd be nice if texture filtering was better too.
In general, if they built a virtual 360, what's to keep them from increased performance?
No publisher would buy in to that, it leaves them completely vunerable for the future.
Miles Quaritch
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Which XBLA games work?
I need to know.
I need to know.
The whole point of this is to replace your 360 though so you don't have to drag it out of your closet to play your old library / don't need to worry about digital purchases.
Let's say they get half your 360 games (this is being really generous). That means you still gotta keep around that machine and have the same issue. Why even have BC at that point? Just play it on your 360 which you have to keep hooked up.
That's why both this and PSNow are a failure of ideas.
Bornstellar
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Sucks devs/publishers have to enable their titles. Niche and Obscure games
Also: I wonder, do games still render at their sub native 720p resolutions?
It'd be nice if texture filtering was better too.
In general, if they built a virtual 360, what's to keep them from increased performance?
The overhead on the emulator itself.
Awesome!
WhiteRabbitEXE
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They don't need to "share the code". And it's not like 1:1 emulation competes with remasters. People need to stop saying this.
pocketaces
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Zeyphersan
Banned
They can! You will still earn xbox 360 achievements
Basically what it does is it spins up a virtual Xbox 360 and signs you into it with your gamertag. So you can do everything you normally could from a signed-in 360: earn and look at achievements, play online with other 360 players (even if they're on an actual 360), join a party and chat, anything.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/available-games
Yes, but it's not a separate achievement list from the native 360 versions, so no double dipping.
(OP REALLY needs to add this.)
I do, because their track record has shown they will make some noise in the beginning then quickly drop supporting it.
They have to prove to me, but it frustrates me that everyone thinks this is more than it is. They are talking to the potential then the reality, and the track record shows it will stay a potential.
ShaggsMagoo
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No it doesn't. Mass Effect 1 was published by Microsoft Game Studios, so they did not need to get permission to use it. Mass Effect 2 and 3 were published by EA.
BONKERS
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And what's to stop this from becoming just as incomplete, ill maintained, and bug ridden like the OG Xbox was on 360?
Flintty
Member
Exactly my point.
MS published ME1, whilst they would need EA's approval for ME2 and ME3.
Theonik
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Miles Quaritch
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Realistically nothing, but it's not like emulation is an instant magic switch anyway. There will always be missing titles, there will always be issues.
Also, they confirmed all 1st party titles will be added, and there's a voting system for what players want to see next, so it is a bit of a step up already.
StoppedInTracks
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You got a point there, pal. But sometimes people just let some things go - if they will will reach 80-90% of library then I'd say it is worth letting the 360 go.
Haha.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Yup, that was just added extremely recently. Like, the last couple hours, tops. I think actually even less though. So the list is already growing (I think three of the others were added after the first batch too, but I dunno which).
Edit:
A Kingdom for Keflings, A World of Keflings, and Alien Hominid HD were all added after the first batch of 18. The Keflings games were added shortly after, but I think Alien Hominid HD was fairly recent too.
jizzlobber
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PAL version of Kameo doesn't install... Does anyone know if this is the case with other "supported" PAL games?
MaulerX
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WTF? Why are you coming in here shitting on this so hard? It's a fucking great feature to have. Obviously not for you but I for one am glad that I'll be able to access some of my 360 collection from one box. It also means that my wife and kids can access the games on the 360 with their accounts while simultaneously being able to access the games on the XB1. Pretty neat I think.
Dee Dah Dave
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A very surprising addition. Means nothing to me but great for those that care about it.
As far as I'm concerned, this just means more games to play on Xbox One. And that's a good thing.
Zomba13
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While I wouldn't call them failures both are flawed. It's quite amazing how good Nintendo are at backwards compatibility. Obviously they suck with the whole online Virtual console and unifed account thing BUT the hardware stuff is great. Having an entire virtual Wii in my Wii U is awesome, being able to play any DS game on my 3DS is great. It allos you to upgrade to a new system, get rid of/retire/box up/gift away your old one while still playing that generations games. By the end of the Wii U gen I should be done with all my Wii games like I was with my GC in the Wii gen. Obviously there are games you want to go back and play (like Melee and the like for me) which issues arise but still better than the other consoles. With some light hacking you can get GC games running on a Wii U. If you got an early NA PS3 you had access to PS2 and PS1 backwards compatibility and it was so cool.
In an ideal world it'd just be a switch for the games on MS side and they could get them all working fine but I still think some kind of bc is better than none even if it's a small selection or streamed over the internet.
With the addition XB1 features. That new dash looks wonderful, I assume resume play will work too.
Yup, I agree, I would be super happy with 80-90% and would let it go.
That's not going to happen though with this model. There is barely any incentive for publishers to ask MS to recompile/republish those games. There's going to be many with licensing issues. It's just a bad solution.
How does Sony get around the whole licensing thing and allow all PS1 disc game support on PS3 via emulation? I mean Wii, Wii U, Phat PS3, and PS2 had hardware BC, but Slim PS3 + PS1 is software BC, and it doesn't need to deal with this issue.
BONKERS
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And you also have to worry about licensing on top of ALL of that.
Meaning only the popular and mainstream games that have some incentive of future large profit can be guaranteed to succeed.
Unlike The Wii U, essentially 100% of everything Wii related works, no relicensing bs etc. Then again, it's HW compat though.
Their Virtual Console though shows the exact problem. Licensing.
However, either way this is 100X better than that PSNow streaming garbage.
Theonik
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I don't think it's pure licensing issues per-se. Basically, not all games will run equally and MS will have to work on a game-by-game basis. With remasters added to the mix, they want to introduce controls on the games that work for various reasons.
It is somewhat understandable since I don't think publishers would like people playing butchered versions of their games running at 14fps.
Its Brilliant!!
Because Sony's method uses the actual discs you have to put in
Microsoft's method requires them to essentially award you a download of the game, and they don't have the legal right to do that without the original right's owner permission.
I also believe there was a Wiiware game that wasn't on the Wii U vWii eshop until recently