How in the world is this shovelware?
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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How in the world is this shovelware?
Again though, I don't think trying to compare this to Mario (or even Zelda for that matter) is really a relevant comparison, as in business terms Mario is far more necessary and relevant to Nintendo than Metroid's ever been. Mario is Nintendo's primary mascot and an iconic and beloved character worldwide, and the initial Donkey Kong and Super Mario Bros games formed the foundation of what Nintendo is as a company today. Metroid games have typically had a very positive critical reception...but that's about as far as it gets lately. It's not a massive blockbuster series, Samus as a character isn't malleable enough to be used in the wide variety of gameplay situations as Mario is (and if she were, the fanbase would probably hate it), and that lack of breadth means a lack of interest in the core IP comparatively. And, again, the Mario series and its various spinoffs have multiple development houses working on related games at any given point in time. Metroid, at the absolute height of its popularity, has had two, max, and the games were successful, but not mega-hits.
The definition of what people expect from a "real" Metroid is narrow, and seemingly as far as Nintendo's internal designers are concerned they haven't yet come up with a new gameplay mechanic that fits that setting closely enough to make a new Metroid out of it yet. Federation Force features small strike teams of futuristic troopers, executing missions on hostile alien worlds in a first person setting...there is enough there to tie it in with the Metroid universe, at least it makes more sense to put it there than into any other existing franchise. I suppose you could say give it a new IP, but that expense was already given to STEAM and Splatoon last year and I don't think they want to spring for that too much, too soon. Most of Nintendo's bigger brands contain shifts and derivations and wonky spin-offs. Mario's had 'em, Zelda has 'em, Kirby's had 'em, DK has 'em, Star Fox has 'em, Animal Crossing has them now...should we expect Metroid to be exempt from this sort of brand-promotional behavior?
You can't show what doesn't exist.
You're playing soccer with guns. Either with a ball or an Ice Beast. It honestly looks like a Gameloft iOS game.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The anger is making people so irrational they don't realize who is developing it and their track record.
direct_quote
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Yah exactly why couldn't they say a Metroid game is in development. It's not like they have much else being released for Wii U anyway...
They didn't talk about ZeldaU in the digital event either, it must be cancelled.
People want more Metroid Prime but disregard that both MP2 and MP3 were heavily criticised for being too similar to Prime 1. It's a great trilogy but they couldn't keep pumping out those games every 1-2 years. They went in a different direction with Other M, if it didn't suck I'm sure we would have seen Other M 2. Now it sucked, and that led to a break in the Metroid franchise. But it's due to return and probably would have been announced this E3 if not for the WiiU being a dying console. Very likely it was moved to NX and therefore not talked about right now.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Well, we have no idea on how in-depth systems get, but nothing really jumped out as 'this looks super complex' either.
Perhaps unfair, but what was shown in regards to the seemingly simple shoot mechanics and the graphics (not too hot, IMO) don't exactly give it a warm fuzzy feeling even without the debacle of being in the Metroid Prime Umbrella.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Nevermind, still a bizarre post.
Maybe you should explain how it's not? I'm not just referring to the blast ball junk, but the monster hunting BS too.
I'm getting a Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts like deja vu here. People want the return of a great series, but the drastic change of development where it hardly does or even remotely resembles series at it's core causes a huge backlash.
You can't just slap on a title like "Metroid Prime" on this, it has NOTHING to do with the Prime series at heart other than the fact that it loosely bases the G-Fed trooper designs.
You can't just slap on a title like "Metroid Prime" on this, it has NOTHING to do with the Prime series at heart other than the fact that it loosely bases the G-Fed trooper designs.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Soccer with Ice Beasts??
I saw one mission where you trap them in cages, I am sure the game will have many many more.
In fact, they even played other ones.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Shoulda kept it blastball
"Mr. Iwata, the trailer for that Metroid spinoff has over 20,000 dislikes and there's even a cancellation petition."
The video just surpassed 20k dislikes. If that doesn't say something to Nintendo, I don't know what will.
"It seems our fans do not like Metroid and want us to allocate resources elsewhere. Cancel it."
"But sir, I'm not sure that's what they wa-"
"Metroid was a mistake..."
"Please sir..."
"It's nothing but trash"
"Sir do we have to resort to memes? It's bad enough when Reggie does this"
"NeoGaf is bashing Federation Force but says that Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze is severally underrated and one of the best 2D platformers ever. Get Retro on the phone. Tell them to cancel Prime 4 and put them on Donkey Kong Country Returns 3. Sony gave GAF what they wanted and so will we..."
Again, last five years.
This is fiction.
Refreshment.01
Member
Missing the point again. You are trying too hard and your hate blinds you.
As a last try to have a civil discussion. For example, taking the Metroid franchise into the first person arena shooter direction like Hunters did or seemingly this new one is doing, is not a move that resonates with the base or the franchise in general.
Other M although with some flaws, took the series into 3D with less sacrifices to character's movement and navigation than Prime did in relation to the classic games. That felt nice. Another similar attempt focusing on the strong points and correcting the shortcomings could have been worthwhile of everyone's time. Specially for the 3DS since dew to hardware limitations Other M style fits the system.
But instead some very vocal individuals chose to downright hate the game instead of making any constructive criticism.
Most of the harsher complains and insults to Other M game are related to plot (a very peripheral part of the Metroid games save Fusion) and the perceived "sexism" that permeates the game. Something that applies to the series since the first one.
People that don't fall in the above category tend to concede that there are both good things and bad ones, withouth considering the game just pure filth.
And this i find intriguing. What fired up people's triggers specifically from this game? The behaviour is almost like a viral marketing that some people parrot endlessly withouth fact checking or much taught put into it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
That's only one part/mode of the game though.
Prime 2 was certainly criticized for it. Prime 3 wasn't.
What we've seen is blast ball and blast ball with monsters. Again, the game looks like shovelware junk and I feel for NLG for having Nintendo commission them to make this nonsense.
Legit laughed at that
direct_quote
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Nintendo could have at least put out a 2d Metroid for it's hand helds in the past what 8 years? It's sad to think how much time has past since we have gotten a 2d Metroid, when all the indies are replicating the metroidvania formula in droves..
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I actually saw more than that on the Treehouse stream and there will be more tomorrow but I'm absolutely positive nothing in the game will change your mind.
Kindekuma [Laughs]
Mama Robotnik
Member
Rubbish. Utter twaddle.
The games presented to us were (1) an unremarkable looking 3DS multiplayer shooter (of no interest to many) and (2) an unremarkable looking shooting soccer game (absolutely of no interest to many). The videos were unappealing, regardless of their tenuous Metroid connection or not.
I am allowed that opinion, as are others.
People are understandably displeased that, as mainline Metroid has been dead for a while, they are offered this. But don't go asserting that gamers are being offered gold, and are too blinded by hate to recognise it. The games shown in the videos were completely unremarkable.
If tens of thousands of gamers are unimpressed, it is not their fault. It is the fault of the company that made the lackluster presentation with a visually and conceptually lackluster product.
evilromero
Member
Have they shown any of the single player missions?
billy beane
Banned
Federation Fighters is a cool name for a game. I'm curious how Metroid this game actually is.
Next Level make good games so I'll remain optimistic.
Hahaha this is likely going to become reality.
Alex_Mexico
Member
You're delusional if you think Other M is in any way feminist or pro-women. Then again you just used the "SJW" term so why am I surprised?
It shouldn't be cancelled, but I think it should fail. It's a totally unremarkable game irrespective of the name and it sucks that Nintendo asked NLG to make this.
Trogdor1123
Member
Doesn't a mission based game defeat the point of metroid?
Riposte
Member
You barely know anything about it. There's totally a chance it turns out to be an interesting multiplayer experience.
Based on what they showed, there really isn't. They showed two really mediocre game modes coated in asinine visuals and worse art.
Starphoenix
Member
The game is potentially a year away, and they made a point to have "game in development" in the trailer. That tells me there is still a lot of work left. But apparently you are a time-traveller and have played the game already so I guess everyone should just fall in line and wish fiscal failure upon Nintendo and NLG.
It's a spinoff
Given the fact that NLG has tried in the past to proposition Nintendo to let them work on a Metroid game, I wouldn't be surprised if this was an eventual conclusion of that original project, altered with some different focal points in mind (multiplayer, specifically). With Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon being more mission-based than its predecessor, I wouldn't be surprised if NLG had a thought of doing a mission-styled Metroid bounty hunting game that eventually turned into this.
Either way though, we have no idea how things played out leading up to this point. It's not fair to make the assumption that Nintendo just walked up to them and said "Hey make some shitty game so we can throw the Metroid name on it and power our salt-fueled office generators for years." In fact I feel pretty confident that it absolutely did not play out that way.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
IT'S NOT A MAINLINE METROID GAME.
That's what happened because Other M was a failure. Maybe it's also taken some time for a good concept for a new Metroid game to materialize. 5 years isn't that long in the larger scope of things, they've also done the Trilogy re-release.
Definitely not.
Just quickly looking at the IGN review for Prime 2:
The same sentiments were echoed (get it) in most reviews.
But like Toxi said, maybe it was more criticism for that against Prime 2 than 3. Still, it felt like Retro couldn't push that formula much further than they did.
"a little disappointed" totally hammered.
Sshhhh it's much better to jump to conclusions.
direct_quote
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Didn't NLG make Kid Icarus Uprising? Why didn't they just make a sequel to that or make a game around that... I mean a decent chunk of the Kid Icarus characters were playable in sm4sh (and Kid Icarus was all over smash). Give me a Palutena game 
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Didn't NLG make Kid Icarus Uprising? Why didn't they just make a sequel to that or make a game around that... I mean a decent chunk of the Kid Icarus characters were playable in sm4sh (and Kid Icarus was all over smash). Give me a Palutena game
Project Sora (Sakurai's group) made KI:U with some development help from Nintendo. NLG had nothing to do with it.
Didn't NLG make Kid Icarus Uprising? Why didn't they just make a sequel to that or make a game around that... I mean a decent chunk of the Kid Icarus characters were playable in sm4sh (and Kid Icarus was all over smash). Give me a Palutena game
No they did Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. Kid Icarus Uprising was Sora.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Feel kinda bad for Next Level. Could be a great little game by its own merits, but they picked a hell of a franchise to work with.